Most knockouts in 1 round record?

worrypascanada · Post by **worrypascanada** » 29 Sep 2004, 10:21

Hello,

I have search boxrec.com forum, but I was unable to find this record? Do you know the answer?

Robert Richard
http://www.yvondurelle.com

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Sep 2004, 11:09

Young Otto with either 42, or 45 first round knockouts. If you are counting exhibitions, Dempsey scored well over 50.

worrypascanada · Post by **worrypascanada** » 29 Sep 2004, 11:26

I was probably not clear enough, I was searching for the record in regards to the most number of knockdowns in a round. For example, in 1958, Yvon Durelle had put down Archie Moore three times on the canvas.
Do you know what is the record?

Robert Richard
Eastern Canada
http://www.yvondurelle.com

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » 30 Sep 2004, 01:04

Jack Dempsey knocked Jess Willard and Luis Firpo down seven times each in the first rounds of their fights. In the Firpo fight Dempsey was also down twice in the first himself. Not sure if that is a record though...

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 30 Sep 2004, 13:16

barry wrote:Young Otto with either 42, or 45 first round knockouts. If you are counting exhibitions, Dempsey scored well over 50.

Youg Otto: I think that is correct. Also Dempsey has the RECORD OF MOST KOs in the first round by a World Champion of any weight class. He scored 25 First Round KOs. No World Champion in history has more.

Boxerdog · Post by **Boxerdog** » 30 Sep 2004, 20:13

Dempsey definetly has the one record in all of sports that will never be broken. It has to do with knocking out white guys exclusively.

pringle · Post by **pringle** » 01 Oct 2004, 18:09

Also Dempsey has the RECORD OF MOST KOs in the first round by a World Champion of any weight class. He scored 25 First Round KOs. No World Champion in history has more.

disagree, he doesn't have the most, here's one champ that tied him:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004629

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 02 Oct 2004, 08:35

worrypascanada wrote:I was probably not clear enough, I was searching for the record in regards to the most number of knockdowns in a round. For example, in 1958, Yvon Durelle had put down Archie Moore three times on the canvas.
Do you know what is the record?

Robert Richard
Eastern Canada
http://www.yvondurelle.com

I don't know if it's the record or not, but Johansson floored Patterson seven times in the 3rd round of their first fight.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » 03 Oct 2004, 22:46

Boxerdog wrote:Dempsey definetly has the one record in all of sports that will never be broken. It has to do with knocking out white guys exclusively.

Peter McNeely is closing in though...

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 04 Oct 2004, 12:44

pringle wrote:
Also Dempsey has the RECORD OF MOST KOs in the first round by a World Champion of any weight class. He scored 25 First Round KOs. No World Champion in history has more.

disagree, he doesn't have the most, here's one champ that tied him:

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004629

I disagree about that SORRY SHANNON BRIGSS. Shannon Briggs WAS NEVER A WORLD CHAMPION!!! The IBA title nor the WBO are recognized by the Ring magazine, neither I recognize those FALSE ORGANIZING BODIES.

A matter of fact, I have never seen this chump as World Champ in no kind of way. Like it or not, Dempsey holds the record.

barry · Post by **barry** » 12 Oct 2004, 21:46

In terms of the man-who-beat the man, Briggs defeated George Foreman after George had been stripped of his "World" title, thus in actuality, or in my eyes Briggs was heavyweight champion, Lennox Lewis gained universal recognition after he knocked out Briggs.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 12 Oct 2004, 22:00

Lewis gained recognition after he beat Holyfield not Briggs. Hell Briggs won a gift decision over Foreman anyway so your qualifying his claim based on a win over 50 year old, who was refusing to meet the best fighters, winning gift decisions over the bums he selected as contenders (most notably Axel Schulz who Foreman paid the IBF $250,000 to get rated in the first place) and who was stripped for such actions. Yeah Briggs was a real champ alright...

barry · Post by **barry** » 13 Oct 2004, 20:44

Regardless of who Foreman would, or would not fight, he did not lose the "World Heavyweight Title" in the ring until Briggs beat him, again regardless of it being a gift decision. Lewis gained recognition after he beat Briggs, Holyfield just had the WBA/Holyfield/Ruiz Heavyweight Title, but I guess Holyfield was the other "real" true champ since he won the belt that stripped Foreman which in turn was was won by Bruce Seldon, then to Tyson, then to Holyfield...yeah that certainly had the prestige to gain Lewis universal recognition by beating Holyfield! In terms of the man who beat the man, Briggs beat Foreman, who beat Moorer, who beat Holyfield, who beat Bowe, etc. You can use whatever system you want to, but considering that there are a zillion titles in circulation nowadays, I'm going to go by the man-who-beat-the-man. Your argument would mean that Manny Pacquiao isn't the true featherweight champion!

jsc1973 · Post by **jsc1973** » 14 Oct 2004, 03:46

Yes, Shannon Briggs was, unfortunately, the lineal world heavyweight champion. I've always said that the best think Lennox Lewis ever did was immediately fighting him and getting the lineal title back in the hands of a worthy fighter. It makes me shudder to think what could have happened otherwise.

If that fight had never happened and everything else had been the same, the lineal HW title would have passed to Sedrick Fields (2000), Jameel McCline (2000), Wladimir Klitschko (2002), Corrie Sanders (2003) and Vitali Klitschko (2004). The title would have eventually gotten back into good hands, but not before it had been debased even more.

Now, if someone would get the lineal light-heavyweight title out of the clutches of Universum, all would be well. Glengoffe Johnson would probably fight Erdei if the money was good enough, but he'd never get the decision over there.

gensu3k1 · Post by **gensu3k1** » 15 Oct 2004, 00:49

jsc1973 wrote:Now, if someone would get the lineal light-heavyweight title out of the clutches of Universum, all would be well. Glengoffe Johnson would probably fight Erdei if the money was good enough, but he'd never get the decision over there.

I think Erdei would likely beat Glen fair and square.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 15 Oct 2004, 03:32

So Pac is a lineal champ because he beat the man who beat Hamed? What a laugh. Yeah Barrera was the man but it wasnt because he beat Hamhead. Hamhead may have been HBO and Britains darling but he certainly wasnt "The Man". Hell Pac was lucky to scrape by Marquez.

You might want to check your facts. Lewis beat Holy and was recognised as the man BEFORE Holy fought Ruiz. Holy had both the WBA and IBF belts when fought Lewis. You can spin Lewis claim anyway you want but Holys was a hell of a lot stronger at the time. Briggs was a paper champ who won his title in a bad gift decision from a fat old man who was ducking and dodging everyone and losing to everyone he fought BUT Briggs. Lewis beats Briggs and then goes along and wins his own gift decision at the hands of Ray Mercer who even the announcers said couldnt win unless he scored a KO. Ill take Holys claim and Lewis victory over him as his definitive moment as a champ, certainly not a shaky performance over a weak chinned journeyman like Shannon Briggs.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 15 Oct 2004, 06:11

klompton wrote:So Pac is a lineal champ because he beat the man who beat Hamed? What a laugh. Yeah Barrera was the man but it wasnt because he beat Hamhead. Hamhead may have been HBO and Britains darling but he certainly wasnt "The Man". Hell Pac was lucky to scrape by Marquez.

And if Hamed wasn't The Man at featherweight, care to enlighten us who was, oh great fountain of knowledge?

Your Lewis argument is flawed too. Holy had a better claim, because he'd beaten Tyson, who in turn had avoided Lewis and knocked out Juicy Brucie Seldon and Frank Bruno? Hardly the stuff of legend I think.

Stick to the old times mate, you're looking at the last 10 years through Tyson tainted glasses, as usual.

barry · Post by **barry** » 15 Oct 2004, 10:48

Just like someone already stated, your argument is flawed, very flawed! I'm not making an argument, I'm just stating facts, not my opinion. Yes, Lewis did gain recognition after he defeated Briggs, Holyfield was the actual "paper" champion at the time, not opinion...fact! Yes, Hamhead was the "World" featherweight champion, he cleaned out the division and unified the titles, not opinion...fact! I thought that Marquez deserved the decision over Paquiao, but he was very lucky to get out of the first round. You know, when I'm wrong about something, I don't care to admit it, why do you have such a hard time admitting that you are wrong?

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 16 Oct 2004, 00:50

Facts? Recognition by who? The commonwealth?, Canada?, Jamaica? Lewis was considered nothing until he beat Holyfield. That is a fact. Period. As for Hamhead how did he clear out the division? When he fought Barrera it was considered his first real test and we all saw how that turned out he was beaten easily, not even competetive and hasnt been serious about the sport since... Seems to me that your argument for lineal contention is rather spurious at best.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 16 Oct 2004, 01:18

Barrera and Morales had never fought at 122, before Hamed lost to Barrera, so they had no claim to the title. Hamed had beaten the champions of all three major sanctioning bodies, but hadn't kept the titles, due to politics.

Sure in hindsight, he didn't beat anybody that was great. He did, however, beat what was there and had clearly established as the best fighter in that division. Who else had a claim, Freddie Norwood?

Hamed was about as close as you could be to being a universally recognized champion without the belts. If Hamed's claim is spurious at best, Holyfield's claim is ludicrous.

barry · Post by **barry** » 16 Oct 2004, 08:14

Also, if you really knew anything about it, you would know that when Hamed fought Tom Johnson, that was considered his first real test, Johnson was considered by everyone to be the best of the division for a couple of years prior to Hamed destroying him! Just curious, how old are you Klompton?

barry · Post by **barry** » 17 Oct 2004, 11:19

Just checked out Hamed's claim to the featherweight title. Well he won the WBO title, then he defeated Tom Johnson for the IBF belt, then Wilfredo Vazquez with the WBA and lastly defeated Cesar Soto who had the WBC, so tell me Klomptom, who was the man if it wasn't Hamhead, and who is the man now, someone who holds one of the belts? Sorry, but just because you don't like a fighter, it doesn't mean that they were not the top dog!

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 17 Oct 2004, 16:26

Your really grasping at straws now... My age? Is that relevant to this discussion? Is your age relevant? Youve been arguing for your hero this whole time and werent familiar with his record? Tom Johnson was on a serious downward spiral when he fought Hamed, who had ducked him for some time until he started struggling with guys like Marquez, Badillo, and others. He never faced Norwood or Marquez choosing instead to fight guys Bungu and Augie Sanchez. He won the WBC belt in a fight that he could have only lost had he been shot and even then the ref would have probably found a way to raise his hand, and that was against a human turd like Soto.

By the way since your just now familiarizing yourself with Hameds record maybe you can tell me again when he won the WBA belt...

If you consider beating a bunch of washed up bums, ex bantamweights, and euro stiffs to be qualifications for being "the man" then more power to you. I dont I guess thats where we differ. Thats why when he faced his first real threat, a man coming up from 122, he was dominated easily, embarrassed and all but retired. Now where is he? Some fighter...

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 18 Oct 2004, 06:08

What a load of crap you write.

Hamed was champion for about a year before he beat Johnson - so that's "ducking" him is it? He fought Bungu and Sanchez about three years later - get your fact right.
But I guess Bungu was another bum in your world view, right? Barrera was the only threat Hamed ever met, even though Bungu was on a run of 14 world title wins at superbantam before he was flattened by Naz.

And Vasquez was WBA featherweight champ. He gave it up to fight Hamed for the WBO title and was knocked out in 7. That gives Naz a pretty good claim to being No #1 I'd say.

barry · Post by **barry** » 18 Oct 2004, 10:51

The reason I was wondering about your age is because you argue and act like a ninth grader. I knew about Hamed's record, I was just pointing out the obvious facts that you seem blind to recognize! It seems that you are alone in your opinion…perhaps, I’m just suggesting, but have you ever considered that you are in fact WRONG! Sorry, but I’m done arguing, come back when you have some facts instead of misinformed opinions!

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