but the UK fighters seem boring in comparison.I'd still support a UK fighter V an Irish one (bar Sexton) so I'm not going all Opticald on your asses!Does anyone else think the UK boxing scene seems stagnent in comparison?Just look at the atmosphere the Irish bring to the fights when all we ever muster is -There's only 1 __________(fill in blank).UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
This thread is not meant to stir up any sh*t or nothing but which country has the best fights/fighters right now?Ireand or UK?I'm now enjoying watching the Irish boxers more than the UK boxers which is weird because up until a few months ago Munroe was my favourite boxer to watch and I had little interest in the Irish lads, now I'm looking forward to watching Dunne V Thai,Rogan V Sexton, Macklin V Asikainen,Duddy V Lee (if it ever happens) and Paul McCloskey V Mbaye than I am about watching Haye V Valuev, Khan V Whoever or even Munroe's next fight.Maybe it's the invasion of the Irish on this forum who are getting me into these boxers but the UK fighters seem boring in comparison.I'd still support a UK fighter V an Irish one (bar Sexton) so I'm not going all Opticald on your asses!Does anyone else think the UK boxing scene seems stagnent in comparison?Just look at the atmosphere the Irish bring to the fights when all we ever muster is -There's only 1 __________(fill in blank).
but the UK fighters seem boring in comparison.I'd still support a UK fighter V an Irish one (bar Sexton) so I'm not going all Opticald on your asses!Does anyone else think the UK boxing scene seems stagnent in comparison?Just look at the atmosphere the Irish bring to the fights when all we ever muster is -There's only 1 __________(fill in blank).Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
what a joke of a question uk by far you seem to forget about froch!! macklin is from birmingham wether you like it or not..Steve89 wrote:This thread is not meant to stir up any sh*t or nothing but which country has the best fights/fighters right now?Ireand or UK?I'm now enjoying watching the Irish boxers more than the UK boxers which is weird because up until a few months ago Munroe was my favourite boxer to watch and I had little interest in the Irish lads, now I'm looking forward to watching Dunne V Thai,Rogan V Sexton, Macklin V Asikainen,Duddy V Lee (if it ever happens) and Paul McCloskey V Mbaye than I am about watching Haye V Valuev, Khan V Whoever or even Munroe's next fight.Maybe it's the invasion of the Irish on this forum who are getting me into these boxers
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Froch,ok that's 1.Macklin is Irish,read the thread on here about it-he defines himself as Irish so who are we to argue?I was looking forward to the Khan V Kotelnik fight but that turned out to be a snooze fest.Haye won't f*cking fight anyone,Munroe is in limbo,there's no one else I find particularly entertaining at the moment.The most entertaining fights I've seen this year were Dunne V Cordoba and Rogan V Sexton.The fights I'm most looking forward to involve Irish fighters.How is it a joke of a question?gemmell wrote:what a joke of a question uk by far you seem to forget about froch!! macklin is from birmingham wether you like it or not..Steve89 wrote:This thread is not meant to stir up any sh*t or nothing but which country has the best fights/fighters right now?Ireand or UK?I'm now enjoying watching the Irish boxers more than the UK boxers which is weird because up until a few months ago Munroe was my favourite boxer to watch and I had little interest in the Irish lads, now I'm looking forward to watching Dunne V Thai,Rogan V Sexton, Macklin V Asikainen,Duddy V Lee (if it ever happens) and Paul McCloskey V Mbaye than I am about watching Haye V Valuev, Khan V Whoever or even Munroe's next fight.Maybe it's the invasion of the Irish on this forum who are getting me into these boxers
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Britain v Ireland might be a more suitable question.
Anyway while Irish boxing is certainly at an all time high and there is huge interest with the bouts you mention, British boxing still has a lot to offer.
Froch v Direll
Haye v Valuev
Moore v Rhodes
Brook v Jennings
Murray v Thaxton
Simpson v Truscott
Davis v Napa
McDermott v Fury
Booth v Hunter
The Heavyweight prizefighter
Khan v ?(he'll surely defend his belt before the year is out)
Nathan Cleverly will have at least one fight if not 2/3 before the year is out aswell.
So there's plenty to look forward to as far as British boxing goes. Of course as an Irishman with the likes of Dunne v Poonsawat, Rogan v Sexton, Macklin v Asikainen, McCloskey v M'Baye, etc that's where my main attention will be but I think we should just all be happy that between the 2 nations we are getting a lot of great fights in the near future.
Macklin v Asikainen is an important fight to many British fans too, afterall it's taking place in Britain and I'm sure Macklin has many fans that are Brummie's(or just generally English) without any Irish in them. The fight will probably be of great interest to Barker fans too.
British fans also have to look forward to Munroe v Maludrottu probably happening before the year is out, Barker fighting for the British title and hopefully stepping up in class and if internet forums are anything to go by there's going to be loads of British boxing fans who'll look forward to N'Dou v Matthew Hatton, hoping that Ricky's unfriendlier brother takes a whipping.
Lots of great boxing to come this side of the Atlantic before the year is out, and all without the need for Diamond belts or Catchweight fights and Lightweights fighting Welterweights.
Anyway while Irish boxing is certainly at an all time high and there is huge interest with the bouts you mention, British boxing still has a lot to offer.
Froch v Direll
Haye v Valuev
Moore v Rhodes
Brook v Jennings
Murray v Thaxton
Simpson v Truscott
Davis v Napa
McDermott v Fury
Booth v Hunter
The Heavyweight prizefighter
Khan v ?(he'll surely defend his belt before the year is out)
Nathan Cleverly will have at least one fight if not 2/3 before the year is out aswell.
So there's plenty to look forward to as far as British boxing goes. Of course as an Irishman with the likes of Dunne v Poonsawat, Rogan v Sexton, Macklin v Asikainen, McCloskey v M'Baye, etc that's where my main attention will be but I think we should just all be happy that between the 2 nations we are getting a lot of great fights in the near future.
Macklin v Asikainen is an important fight to many British fans too, afterall it's taking place in Britain and I'm sure Macklin has many fans that are Brummie's(or just generally English) without any Irish in them. The fight will probably be of great interest to Barker fans too.
British fans also have to look forward to Munroe v Maludrottu probably happening before the year is out, Barker fighting for the British title and hopefully stepping up in class and if internet forums are anything to go by there's going to be loads of British boxing fans who'll look forward to N'Dou v Matthew Hatton, hoping that Ricky's unfriendlier brother takes a whipping.
Lots of great boxing to come this side of the Atlantic before the year is out, and all without the need for Diamond belts or Catchweight fights and Lightweights fighting Welterweights.
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Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Yes i jumped the gun a bit then i thought the thread said who has the better fighters at the moment lol but it is very close..macklin may say he is irish but he has a full on brum accent lol..i think froch is the most entertaining out of them all..but rogan isn't far behind!!!!! and the dunne fight was a classic..plus mccloskey is very exciting but uk takes it for me we have some cracking domestic fights coming up 
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haye wont fight anyone?? he is fighting valuev! and i mis read the thread!!! haye is just about the most exciting fighter in the world..he has deadly power and speed and is chinny..and by the way mate macklin is born and bread in birmingham i dont care what he says!! thats like marcus davis from the ufc claiming he is irishSteve89 wrote:Froch,ok that's 1.Macklin is Irish,read the thread on here about it-he defines himself as Irish so who are we to argue?I was looking forward to the Khan V Kotelnik fight but that turned out to be a snooze fest.Haye won't f*cking fight anyone,Munroe is in limbo,there's no one else I find particularly entertaining at the moment.The most entertaining fights I've seen this year were Dunne V Cordoba and Rogan V Sexton.The fights I'm most looking forward to involve Irish fighters.How is it a joke of a question?gemmell wrote:what a joke of a question uk by far you seem to forget about froch!! macklin is from birmingham wether you like it or not..Steve89 wrote:This thread is not meant to stir up any sh*t or nothing but which country has the best fights/fighters right now?Ireand or UK?I'm now enjoying watching the Irish boxers more than the UK boxers which is weird because up until a few months ago Munroe was my favourite boxer to watch and I had little interest in the Irish lads, now I'm looking forward to watching Dunne V Thai,Rogan V Sexton, Macklin V Asikainen,Duddy V Lee (if it ever happens) and Paul McCloskey V Mbaye than I am about watching Haye V Valuev, Khan V Whoever or even Munroe's next fight.Maybe it's the invasion of the Irish on this forum who are getting me into these boxers
and munroe is nowhere near 1 of britains best fighters or entertaining so i dont understand why u would mention him! jamie moore..anthony small..cleverlyRe: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
what about haye vs valuev.. hunter vs booth..moore vs rhodes..jennings vs brook?? cleverly starting to ko people.Steve89 wrote:Froch,ok that's 1.Macklin is Irish,read the thread on here about it-he defines himself as Irish so who are we to argue?I was looking forward to the Khan V Kotelnik fight but that turned out to be a snooze fest.Haye won't f*cking fight anyone,Munroe is in limbo,there's no one else I find particularly entertaining at the moment.The most entertaining fights I've seen this year were Dunne V Cordoba and Rogan V Sexton.The fights I'm most looking forward to involve Irish fighters.How is it a joke of a question?gemmell wrote:what a joke of a question uk by far you seem to forget about froch!! macklin is from birmingham wether you like it or not..Steve89 wrote:This thread is not meant to stir up any sh*t or nothing but which country has the best fights/fighters right now?Ireand or UK?I'm now enjoying watching the Irish boxers more than the UK boxers which is weird because up until a few months ago Munroe was my favourite boxer to watch and I had little interest in the Irish lads, now I'm looking forward to watching Dunne V Thai,Rogan V Sexton, Macklin V Asikainen,Duddy V Lee (if it ever happens) and Paul McCloskey V Mbaye than I am about watching Haye V Valuev, Khan V Whoever or even Munroe's next fight.Maybe it's the invasion of the Irish on this forum who are getting me into these boxers
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
x2. Excellent post.BigEars wrote:Britain v Ireland might be a more suitable question.
Anyway why Irish boxing is certainly at an all time high and there is huge interest with the bouts you mention, British boxing still has a lot to offer.
Froch v Direll
Moore v Rhodes
Brook v Jennings
Murray v Thaxton
Simpson v Truscott
Davis v Napa
McDermott v Fury
Booth v Hunter
The Heavyweight prizefighter
Khan v ?(he'll surely defend his belt before the year is out)
Nathan Cleverly will have at least one fight if not 2/3 before the year is out aswell.
So there's plenty to look forward to as far as British boxing goes. Of course as an Irishman with the likes of Dunne v Cordoba, Rogan v Sexton, Macklin v Asikainen, McCloskey v M'Baye, etc that's where my main attention will be but I think we should just all be happy that between the 2 nations we are getting a lot of great fights in the near future.
Macklin v Asikainen is an important fight to many British fans too, afterall it's taking place in Britain and I'm sure Macklin has many fans that are Brummie's(or just generally English) without any Irish in them. The fight will probably be of great interest to Barker fans too.
British fans also have to look forward to Munroe v Maludrottu probably happening before the year is out, Barker fighting for the British title and hopefully stepping up in class and if internet forums are anything to go by there's going to be loads of British boxing fans who'll look forward to N'Dou v Matthew Hatton, hoping that Ricky's unfriendlier brother takes a whipping.
Lots of great boxing to come this side of the Atlantic before the year is out, and all without the need for Diamond belts or Catchweight fights and Lightweights fighting Welterweights.
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Britannian Stallion
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Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Rogan is from Belfast anyway, thus the UK. I don't want to be a prick, just pointing out a fact
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[quote="gemmell"]and by the way mate macklin is born and bread in birmingham i dont care what he says!! thats like marcus davis from the ufc claiming he is irish
Yes I can see how Marcus Davis with practically no Irish in him and only ever being in Ireland once claiming he's Irish is completely the same as Matthew macklin who's father is from Roscommon(that's Ireland btw), his mother is from Tipperary(that's Ireland btw), and spent most of his holidays from school up through the years in Ireland, while learning to play hurling to a high level from a young age(that's an Irish sport btw, and requires an immense amount of skill to perfect), fighting for an winning the Irish title and spending large amounts of his time to this day in Ireland(his career was even based in ireland for several years).
Yes that's completely the same as Marcus 'Duh......I'm Irish
' Davis.
Macklin's an Irish Brummie, I'd no problem with people saying he's English or he's British.........I do however have a big problem with people saying he's not Irish, and I'd guess he would too if you said it to him.
Yes I can see how Marcus Davis with practically no Irish in him and only ever being in Ireland once claiming he's Irish is completely the same as Matthew macklin who's father is from Roscommon(that's Ireland btw), his mother is from Tipperary(that's Ireland btw), and spent most of his holidays from school up through the years in Ireland, while learning to play hurling to a high level from a young age(that's an Irish sport btw, and requires an immense amount of skill to perfect), fighting for an winning the Irish title and spending large amounts of his time to this day in Ireland(his career was even based in ireland for several years).
Yes that's completely the same as Marcus 'Duh......I'm Irish
' Davis.Macklin's an Irish Brummie, I'd no problem with people saying he's English or he's British.........I do however have a big problem with people saying he's not Irish, and I'd guess he would too if you said it to him.
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yiddo14
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Carl Froch ALONE has better and bigger fights lined up than the whole of Irish Boxing right now.
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
remind me what the population of Ireland and the population of Great Britain is!?
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yiddo14
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Both Wales and Scotland have smaller populations than Ireland, much smaller infact, yet both have produced more champs than their Celtic cousins acorss the Irish Sea.sligobhoy67 wrote:remind me what the population of Ireland and the population of Great Britain is!?
Anyway, who really cares? It was a silly question to ask in the first place.
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Scotland has a bigger population than Ireland mate.....yiddo14 wrote:Both Wales and Scotland have smaller populations than Ireland, much smaller infact, yet both have produced more champs than their Celtic cousins acorss the Irish Sea.sligobhoy67 wrote:remind me what the population of Ireland and the population of Great Britain is!?
Anyway, who really cares? It was a silly question to ask in the first place.
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The island of Ireland has a population of around 6 million, Scotland has a population of a little over 5 million(not that big a difference), and Wales about 3 million(now obviously that is quite significant).yiddo14 wrote:Both Wales and Scotland have smaller populations than Ireland, much smaller infact, yet both have produced more champs than their Celtic cousins acorss the Irish Sea.sligobhoy67 wrote:remind me what the population of Ireland and the population of Great Britain is!?
Anyway, who really cares? It was a silly question to ask in the first place.
Ireland has had 17 World Champions, have Scotland and Wales really both produced more ?, I'm not saying they haven't just I'd like to know the actual numbers for each.
Not that it really matters in this thread, it's just interesting.
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Britannian Stallion wrote:Rogan is from Belfast anyway, thus the UK. I don't want to be a prick, just pointing out a fact
I'd love to see you stand in the same room as Rogie and tell him he is not Irish as he lives in Belfast.
Belfast might be part of the UK but it is still on the Island of Ireland ! (never thought I'd hear myself say that as an EB Loyal lol)
That like saying Khan can't be Pakistani as he was born and breed in England ?
The Irish/British thing will always cause issues but read the history books, we just have a claim to dual nationality.
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Britannian Stallion
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Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
I'm not making any false claims here and nobody who writes on this forum in the right mind would try and pick a fight with Rogie, but it doesn't change the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and is not Ireland. I didn't claim that Rogan wasn't Irish. If people born in Northern Ireland can claim dual nationality then so be it, I wasn't aware of that. But if we are gonna talk about UK fighters and Irish fighters, then the line needs to be drawn somewhere, otherwise, in some circumstances, we will be claiming each other's fighters as our own. Whether or not Rogie prefers to be Irish rather than from the UK, or claims to be both is unknown to me and I am happy to be informed which ever way.Gareth wrote:Britannian Stallion wrote:Rogan is from Belfast anyway, thus the UK. I don't want to be a prick, just pointing out a fact
I'd love to see you stand in the same room as Rogie and tell him he is not Irish as he lives in Belfast.
Belfast might be part of the UK but it is still on the Island of Ireland ! (never thought I'd hear myself say that as an EB Loyal lol)
That like saying Khan can't be Pakistani as he was born and breed in England ?
The Irish/British thing will always cause issues but read the history books, we just have a claim to dual nationality.
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That's if your into his style,which I'm not.yiddo14 wrote:Carl Froch ALONE has better and bigger fights lined up than the whole of Irish Boxing right now.
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Ireland kicks England,Scotland & Wales asses per capita and that's coming from a Brit!http://hubpages.com/hub/Boxing-World-Ch ... Per-Capita I see I've pissed a few people off but why is it an insult to say that I find the Irish fighters more exciting?Everyone was saying how great the atmosphere was at the Dunne V Cordoba fight even Maloney said it was the best he's seen.I'm even thinking of going to Dunne's next fight or Rogan V Sexton in favour of any of the big UK fights coming up.
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Meaning what?Asterix wrote:Compare:
UK: http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?count ... &SUBMIT=Go
Ireland: http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?count ... &SUBMIT=Go
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yiddo14
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
I would love to see the list of "Irish" "World Champions" that totals 17.
Me thinks some were born and bred in the USA(thus making your point about population irrelevant. If we take into account the amount of people around the world that call themselves Irish, then Ireland has a bigger population than Britian and probably half of Europe combined!)
And some have got to be mere strap holders to get the number that high.
When it comes to genuine World Champions that are genuinely from the countries in question then Ireland are way behind England, Wales and Scotland, especially in terms of quality.
Check out each countries respective pound for pound all time list, Ireland have not produced fighters in the same class as Wilde, Driscoll, Lynch, Buchanan, Kid Lewis, Calzaghe, Lewis, Hamed, etc. Not even close.
They have always been behind their cousins from across the Irish Sea, although I must say their amateur programme is starting to produce some quality fighters. Whatever they have done there is starting to work.
Me thinks some were born and bred in the USA(thus making your point about population irrelevant. If we take into account the amount of people around the world that call themselves Irish, then Ireland has a bigger population than Britian and probably half of Europe combined!)
And some have got to be mere strap holders to get the number that high.
When it comes to genuine World Champions that are genuinely from the countries in question then Ireland are way behind England, Wales and Scotland, especially in terms of quality.
Check out each countries respective pound for pound all time list, Ireland have not produced fighters in the same class as Wilde, Driscoll, Lynch, Buchanan, Kid Lewis, Calzaghe, Lewis, Hamed, etc. Not even close.
They have always been behind their cousins from across the Irish Sea, although I must say their amateur programme is starting to produce some quality fighters. Whatever they have done there is starting to work.
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Britannian Stallion wrote:I'm not making any false claims here and nobody who writes on this forum in the right mind would try and pick a fight with Rogie, but it doesn't change the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and is not Ireland. I didn't claim that Rogan wasn't Irish. If people born in Northern Ireland can claim dual nationality then so be it, I wasn't aware of that. But if we are gonna talk about UK fighters and Irish fighters, then the line needs to be drawn somewhere, otherwise, in some circumstances, we will be claiming each other's fighters as our own. Whether or not Rogie prefers to be Irish rather than from the UK, or claims to be both is unknown to me and I am happy to be informed which ever way.Gareth wrote:Britannian Stallion wrote:Rogan is from Belfast anyway, thus the UK. I don't want to be a prick, just pointing out a fact
I'd love to see you stand in the same room as Rogie and tell him he is not Irish as he lives in Belfast.
Belfast might be part of the UK but it is still on the Island of Ireland ! (never thought I'd hear myself say that as an EB Loyal lol)
That like saying Khan can't be Pakistani as he was born and breed in England ?
The Irish/British thing will always cause issues but read the history books, we just have a claim to dual nationality.
jesus this is tedious subject aint it.
The Good Friday Argeement outlines that those born in Northern Ireland can have a. Irish, b. British or c. dual nationality. Both countries recognise that legally.
How about this when comparing both - Irish fighters = those from Ireland (the island) and British fighters = those from Great Britain (the island).
simples!
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
He's British as they come - just like me!Britannian Stallion wrote:Whether or not Rogie prefers to be Irish rather than from the UK, or claims to be both is unknown to me and I am happy to be informed which ever way.
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slapbangwhallop
- Heavyweight
Re: UK or Ireland - Who has the better fights at the moment?
Interesting that fornicate all of those "greats" are what you would call truely "British".yiddo14 wrote: Check out each countries respective pound for pound all time list, Ireland have not produced fighters in the same class as Wilde, Driscoll, Lynch, Buchanan, Kid Lewis, Calzaghe, Lewis, Hamed, etc. Not even close.
Driscoll and Lynch having Irish parents. Calzaghe with his Italian blood, Hamed being Yemeni and Lewis - well, I think he spent all of five minutes in England before he moved to Canada - and his parents are Roy Aitken's father. But sure thats another can'o'worms!