sugar ray robinson went undefeated his first 40 fights then lost to jake lamotta. robinson was floored in the 9th and lost the decision. f-l-o-o-r-e-d....cantankerous bruiser lamotta was all piss and vinegar but he went into that fight with a 30-5-2 record with 6 KO's (S-I-X). willie pep hit harder, makes me laugh when boxing writers act as if it is a forgone conclusion that lamotta would have ko'd rocky graziano if they had fought.
hagler or hearns would have left robinson comatose on the canvas had either fought him. all time great? right fighter at the right time and right place more like it. of all the fighters robinson fought, funny that none were big punchers. shit even joey "can't-hit-harder-than-your- grandmother" maxim ko'd sugar, the writers come ot rays rescue; the heat ko'd robinson.......jha right!
all time great? jha right!
yes i know, the heat got to him while maxim was waiting between rounds in an air conditioned room......jha right!Just one thing, Maxim did not knockout Robinson!
thanks to all so far who disputes my claim against robinson's chin, glad to see that not one of you provided any facts(or even attempted) to dispute my contention. keep up the good work, you almost got me turned around on this robinson thing.....NOT!
...this is a sad, sad day.....i clicked on boxrec and learned that one of our regular posters has completely lost his mind. i saw this happen to an uncle of mine and it wasn't pretty. too proud to let anyone feed him...yet unable to feed himself without spilling his food all over ....too unable to understand his body's clues and thus becoming incontinent....looking in a mirror and saying "you again!!! for god's sake ..stop following me!!"
sad...so terribly sad....
sad...so terribly sad....
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dempseyfire
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How about the fact in 198 pro fights he never was knocked out or TKO'd (and yes the Maxim loss was due to heat-the friggin' referee passed out before Robinson did-plus Robinson was fighting over 15 lbs over his best fighting weight) . . . and never faced any big punchers??? You mention Graziano yet forget Robinson kicked his ass . . . . .
Robinson’s chin was never in question, throughout his career,,and what a long career it was. Like many great fighters he fought on too long because he was not so great when it came to money….or looking after his money. 
I would say welter was his best weight p4p but middle is where he made his mark.
In either weight his chin never let him down, Maxim made Ray do all the work, and when your fighting the naturally bigger man its doubly hard, remember when Bugner fought Ali…Ali made the fight and Bugner stayed virtually on the back foot all night… the day after Ali is bedridden with exhaustion and Bugner is swimming lengths in the pool.
Hearns at middleweight?… to take Robinson?…..why do you rate Hearns so highly at middleweight and be able to over look Robinson at the same weight when he achieved so much more?
You are having a laugh aren`t you……
I would say welter was his best weight p4p but middle is where he made his mark.
In either weight his chin never let him down, Maxim made Ray do all the work, and when your fighting the naturally bigger man its doubly hard, remember when Bugner fought Ali…Ali made the fight and Bugner stayed virtually on the back foot all night… the day after Ali is bedridden with exhaustion and Bugner is swimming lengths in the pool.
Hearns at middleweight?… to take Robinson?…..why do you rate Hearns so highly at middleweight and be able to over look Robinson at the same weight when he achieved so much more?
You are having a laugh aren`t you……
To name a few
Jackie Wilson, Steve Belloise, Artie Levine, Jose Basora, Henry Armstrong, Carmen Basilio, Randy Turpin, Rocky Graziano...
Like I said, just to name a few. Those guys were all dynamite punchers. The implication is that Robinson somehow avoided hard punchers. Just who did he avoid based solely on their punching power? Robinson could outbox the boxers and outpunch the punchers and thats exactly why a man who started his career as a lightweight was being avoided by middleweights while still able to weigh in well below 147 pounds on the day of the fight.
Like I said, just to name a few. Those guys were all dynamite punchers. The implication is that Robinson somehow avoided hard punchers. Just who did he avoid based solely on their punching power? Robinson could outbox the boxers and outpunch the punchers and thats exactly why a man who started his career as a lightweight was being avoided by middleweights while still able to weigh in well below 147 pounds on the day of the fight.
..by an interesting coincidence i met a man who lives on my block and he agrees exactly, nearly word for word, with what pringle has written here. he also thinks he is carmen miranda...and he glues big piles of fruit on his head and sings "the souse american way" when anyone passes by and he is out in his yard.
The Raging B(_)LL says:
dear lord! ladies and gentlemen the sugarman is even more flawed than even i suspected. he can't take it to the body! a guy with a 19% hits him in the body blow and knocks him completely out of the ring! the guy's a puss.In the 9th round La Motta bullied Ray into the ropes and knocked Robinson out of the ring with a bodyshot,it wasn't a punch to the head.
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Sweet Scientist
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If you'd watched the fight you'd know that Robinson was winning by a mile. The reason for his heat exhaustion was quite simply his work rate was much higher than Maxim's. Robinson didn't stop throwing punches, where as Maxim did very little in my opinion.pringle wrote:yes i know, the heat got to him while maxim was waiting between rounds in an air conditioned room......jha right!Just one thing, Maxim did not knockout Robinson!