Adam Booth

[Spud]

monte barrett must of pulled in some dosh being on setanta deal and promoting the show also barrett said haye put him with the cheepest hotel and taxi's etc

Wrong!!!

[Spud]

I like Adam Booth and David Haye very much. They have don it there way and has worked. He must be a good trainer because Haye has got better and better.I hope they continue to do well!

Completely agreed.

[stujones]

Spud, I think Booth is an excellent manager - but at the moment he hasn't really delivered for Haye since going alone.

Maybe he did alot of the work behind the scenes - but I feel he should have capitalised on his success since Mormeck more. Great performances, big nights... but only 2 of them.

[Spud]

Haye is inactive, hasn't been paid well(other than the Macca fight), has no TV, the whole camp is inactive, Haye is one of the most marketable fighters we have ever had as well as his obvious successes and he is unknown outside the boxing fraternity.
I would say Booth is a complete failure.

I think you are being over the top here.

Whilst it is a concern that Hayemaker fighters are not active - indeed I voiced my concern on that very point in the past - however Booth is both a good trainer and a good promoter when he has that vital ingredient to be able to get on with the job and that is the vital TV revenue to be able to put on shows for his fighters - and before anyone says it yes he could put on non TV shows and I am sure we will see more of them in the near future.

But back to Booth - it is his trainer qualities and his calm manner in the corner when he is at work which particularly impress me - with regards to the promotional aspects of the job - yep inexperience is clearly there but he is backed up by Dave Coldwell who in my view is a top man and knows his stuff and even better knows how to talk to people. The team is young and will progress if a new TV deal is in the offing for all Hayemaker boxers not just David Haye.

[Spud]

Spud, I think Booth is an excellent manager - but at the moment he hasn't really delivered for Haye since going alone.

Maybe he did alot of the work behind the scenes - but I feel he should have capitalised on his success since Mormeck more. Great performances, big nights... but only 2 of them.

Stu,

Do not discount David Haye here!!! - trust me he has a massive say on things - he is kept informed on everything that happens with his fighters and his own career - indeed he instigates a lot of what goes on.

[stujones]

True.... sorry don't mean to blame solely Booth - just Haye/Hayemaker have made alot of mistakes. Good things, yes, mistakes also.

Tried to run before they could walk... applaud them for being innovative, and giving it ago (of course I aint writing them off) - just thought they should have taken the Hayemaker things a little slowly and focused on HAYE.

Is he still trying to do the UFC thing by calling his shows numbers... Hayemaker 6 etc!

People (including Haye) seem to have forgotton the role/faith Frank Maloney had. Maloney got his fighter into position with the WBC at Cruiserweight - at a time when many promoters would have ditched him.

[Spud]

Just Haye/Hayemaker have made alot of mistakes. Good things, yes, mistakes also.

Tried to run before they could walk... applaud them for being innovative, and giving it ago (of course I aint writing them off) - just thought they should have taken the Hayemaker things a little slowly and focused on HAYE.

I have to be honest here - I agree with what you have said above.

With that said given the chance they could be very good - good set of people who want to work hard.

[Spud]

Another thing Stu - whilst there were rumours - who truly believed Setanta would fold? - and its that alone which really has stuck the boot in not only to Hayemaker but more importantly the boxing fans!!!

As someone rightly pointed out to me - prior to Setanta going pop - boxing fans were getting great coverage and the promoters affiliated to Setanta were getting the revenue they needed to keep their boxers active!!

[ERIC GUY]

I think spud must be looking for more work!!!

[stujones]

Another thing Stu - whilst there were rumours - who truly believed Setanta would fold? - and its that alone which really has stuck the boot in not only to Hayemaker but more importantly the boxing fans!!!

As someone rightly pointed out to me - prior to Setanta going pop - boxing fans were getting great coverage and the promoters affiliated to Setanta were getting the revenue they needed to keep their boxers active!!

True good points, still would have liked to have seen Haye more busy before Setanta rumours were mounting. I'm not Haye, don't know what he is like between fights. Not sure how much his batteries needed re-charging - but I think he should have got into the ring well before he did vs Barrett.

Strike while the iron is hot and all that.

The rumours were there even before he actually signed with Setanta of the company folding - broadcasting experts were on various websites predicting the end almost before it started... now I aint saying Hayemaker should have had more nouse to sign... remember Europes top promoter signed for them also! (Saurland off course ) - just it is bad that good prospects are going back to the vest cause of the lack of pro opportunities.

Haye 3 year vision (or was it 2) which he was declaring where each of his fights were taking place - looks a bit of a laughing stock now... not entirely team hayemakers fault, but still...don't look good now.

[whatashambles]

Haye got involved with Setanta very early though didn't he. The Mormeck and Maccarinelli fights were both on Setanta and he had developed a bit of a relationship with them. They gave him some exposure and offered a decent amount to showcase his fights. I know there were some rumours of problems at Setanta but where else could he go? Sky would have only offered a small amount in comparison and are now not even bothering to bid for Hayemaker Promotions fights.
Hayemaker's problem was over paying for several fighters and getting screwed by the TV. If Setanta hadn't have folded the latter wouldn't have mattered but now they can't afford to put on shows and get people like David Price fights.
As most of you guys know having an Olympian is a very costly business. I did some work matchmaking a recently turned Olympic medal winner and it's really really hard to get them fights. Most people won't fight them because they know they're going to be beaten easily and the promoter won't want to undermatch the fighter. Those prepared to fight are often too experienced so there is a very small pool of people available and you can end up paying about four times the going rate. Now Hayemaker don't have the spending power of Warren and without a TV deal can't really afford to spend the money getting Price fights.

[bynino]

ESPN needs to take the baton!

[FLINT ISLAND]

Haye is inactive now terribly since the Maccarenelli fight.

I will repeat - I think it's because he got such a bumper payday for fighting Enzo (up to £800,000 - £1,000,000) he made more money than he ever made before.

I agree with another poster here - he probaly only cleared about £50,000 for the Mormeck fight.

But he probaly cleared £500,000 after tax and dedeuxtions and expenses for the Enzo fight.

Thats alot of money to someone who has never had the major paydays.

Now he can live comfortable in Cyprus, etc.

Its obvious Haye dosent want to mess about - he dosent want to stay active with fighting non title fight 10 rounders.

He wants to go straight in with the Klits and that - sink or swim.

His inactivity is going to cost him - I think.

He looked a big knackered in the Monte Barret fight.

I think Valueu might beat Haye - because he can take a good punch - and then Haye really is in trouble in a tough 12 round fight.

[leforge]

Haye next fight on sky box office. Haymaker need tv shows but they only got Lindsay who currently a champion!

[martin_g91]

I think we will only find out about Adam Booth after Haye has retired.

The old saying of "fighters make trainers not trainers make fighters" is very true. They obviously have a solid bond and work well together (which is important) but the long and short of it is David Haye is a very good fighter and a nutless monkey could have trained him to this level.

As a promoter I have to agree with the majority of previous posts. He really isn't a "promoter" at this stage. He was given a tv deal because of Haye, and that would have happened to whoever was in Booth's seat.

On the management side of Haye, you can't knock where they have got to on paper doing it his way. But at the same time, Haye should have more money than god by now. British, Commonwealth & European Cruiserweight Champ. Undisputed World Cruiserweight Champ. Good looking guy who talks well and should be a media magnet. But the Maccarinelli fight was the first time he saw a crowd. He should have outgrown Bethnal Green and Brentwood much quicker than he did (if he has).

I think in 10 years time Booth will say, look at the belts my fighter won (rightly so) but Haye might be saying I should have a bigger name and more money in the bank.

[Captain Hook]

Sick physical trainer

x2

And he comes across as a little twat.

[Autobarn]

It seems that Haye/Booth/Maloney did brilliant work developing Haye and getting him ranked in learning fights, moving him efficiently and purposefully from Euro level to being world champ and knocking out a heavyweight while waiting for world title chance, to boot.

Sometimes you see a frank W fighter get ranked quicker, get an opportunity quicker, but you get the impression that X fighter didn't learn enough en route to getting surprise chance. Whereas Haye learned all he needed to learn in Euro/world level fights - in the cruiserweight division - and while he was made to wait for the title shot, he was more than ready for it.

That was one satisfying learning curve.

[teddy007]

What do you think about this guy ?
Do you like him or dislike him ?

Do you think he is a good or bad trainer ?

What are your impressions on Adam Booth ?

I sense this thread is going to lead on to Enzo!, you got a picture of Booth with Haye....My guess is your going to comment the influence Booth has on Haye in the corner....Then you'll come up with one of his fights as an example.....That fight will be the Enzo fight......Then you'll ask the question of how we think Enzo would have faired againts the other top cruiserweights if he went a different direction.......Then we might get a nice little picture of Enzo and Haye fight.......Some how, just some how you will bring Enzo into it as you just can not help yourself OCD, stalker alert...Call it what you like....Or I know, my guess is your trying to draw someone else in to mentioning the Enzo fight so that you can go full guns blazing about him!

x2 and guess what.....IT DID NOT, well done Flint..

[DavidPayne]

A promoter/manager's [Booth] job, like the management of any commodity or brand, is to protect the interests of his fighter and maximise his earning potential through strategic matchmaking, preparing contingencies for problems they've had experience and acumen to foresee.

Booth hasn't delivered the pay-days he could have, has kept most of his fighters inactive and went balls deep on lobsided contracts with shaky television companies and it was only the incredible coincidence of Haye's back injury which extracted Haye from a deal in which he would only be paid the British PPV, to fight away from home, against the Promoter's fighter following two explosive but unconvincing displays against mediocre heavyweights who bore no comparison stylistically, or physically, to either of the Klitschko's and even in victory his next TWO fights would have been rematches or sibling matches for short money.

Ludicrous. We malign Warren-Calzaghe-Hatton for their matchmaking, stalling, deal making but Warren wouldn't have let Haye sit stagnant and wouldn't have put him into a 20-80, 30-70 scenario for small money whatever the potential victory would bring.

As a fan we applauded the willingness to chase the credible opponents but as an engineer of good business and activity for Haye, I don't think he's delivered. Perhaps I'm too tied to the conventional, perhaps the inactivity is not the issue EVERY other fighter in the world believes it to be. Maybe beating other guys of similar proportions to Vitali and Wladimir is not the fail-safe prep I presumed it would be?

But Haye could have had some meaningful pay days here or in Germany or the US between the Macca fight 28 months ago (?) and now.

And I'm still to be convinced the Valuev fight will go through.

Venue? Tickets?

I like Booth's candour and his conviction in what he's doing.

But if Valuev should beat Haye, I think the whole Haye heavyweight strategy will be shown to have been holed from the beginning. Which may be better than 10 fights at heavyweight against the usual mix of tired contenders and retreads and never knowing whether you had it in you to beat the top dog but I wonder whether it will be as lucrative?

And aren't health and wealth the watch words for Booth's role?

[SteveDow]

Haye is a classic example of a successful fighter who has, thus far, been very poorly promoted. Until the Maccarinelli fight, Haye was having virtually all of its fights either in leisure centres or at tiny venues like York Hall which hold less than 2,000 people. This is incredible really given how talented and exciting the guy is. While he may not have the lad next door personality that Ricky Hatton has, I would argue that he is a more exciting fighter who invariably delivers brutal knock outs. I hate to say this but if allegedly had been promoting him he would be a much bigger name now. The problem is he may not have got the opportunities for world title success so quickly.

The fact is that David Haye should be one of the biggest names in British sport but the reality is that outside boxing no-one really knows him. This is due to poor promotion.

[leforge]

Sutherland said venue be sorted next week!

[DavidPayne]

A fella once said to me he should have been promoted as the guy who NEVER trained. Was always in the nightclubs whether he was or not.

Paint him as the rogue who just knocked cats out straight from the nightclub.

The Sun etc would have loved it, link him with a bird from Girls Aloud etc.

Easy.

[Bomber 1]

I didn't really wanna comment on this subject but will say only 1 thing!! Had David Haye have signed with FW then I can guarentee he'd be a superstar and a very rich man too!! He'd be an icon in this country now!! The lad is a winner through and through and if you put someone like him with Frank then Im telling ya he'd be a megastar!!

[Spud]

Mr Payne - I actually enjoyed reading your posts - your argument is put across extremely well and has got my rather big head thinking for a change.

[yogi]

Can't make up my mind, sometimes I think that he's really genuine, sometimes he comes across like a smug used car salesman.

Their shows were good, but was that Booth or was it Setanta's coverage that people liked coz it was a bit different to Sky with all the live fights. The Setanta demise must have been a real blow for them. Adam Booth seemed to be on the Buncey show almost every week, either in the studio or on the phone.

I agree however with Bomber 1, if Haye was with Warren he would undoubtably be a superstar by now