World Championships 09

[boxmel]

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McWilliams Arroyo joins Wilfredo Gomez as Puerto Rico's only world amateur champions

Congratulations! Please give McWilliams a hug for me - puleeze! D Ask him to email me a picture with his gold medal.

[Tunney]

Gold Medals:

Russia 2
Italy 2
Ukraine 1
Germany 1
Puerto Rico 1
Cuba 1
Uzbekstan 1
Mongolia 1
Bulgaria 1

Final days results here:

http://88.85.4.2/results-daily.fwx?day= ... ion=&name=

It was funny to watch the cocky Vasyl Lomachenko doing a "Roy Jones" on his overmatched Russian opponent in the final round today. This kid needs to turn pro, he was far better than any of his opponents in the Olympics and again this year. He's already accomplished everything as an amateur.

[rmz]

Lomachenko looked like he fought at 75% the entire tournament and he whooped everyone he fought. He won effortlessly. I kept trying to think of a strategy on how to beat him. Selimov beat him in 2007 by using a lot of movement and countering him as he came in, but he seems to improved his defense even more since then. I would love to see him fight as a pro.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Just in case people are following this thread, I posted links to all the finals videos that are up online in separate thread:

91+kg - Roman KAPITONENKO vs Roberto CAMMARELLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxmEI9vuUkg

91kg - Egor MEKHONTSEV vs Osmai ACOSTA DUARTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUnjT4g0pt0

81kg - Elshod RASULOV vs Artur BETERBIEV FINAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuwl2xTU5oo

75kg - Andranik HAKOBYAN vs Abbos ATOE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glfUrDRBB1s

69kg Andrey ZAMKOVOY vs Jack Robert CULCAY-KETH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ioGGvzkRgQ

64kg -Roniel IGLESIAS SOTOLONGO vs Frankie GOMEZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHOyjlveQ0

57kg - Vasyl Lomachenko vs Sergey Vodopiyanov Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRS8NyFOZw0

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaAPdieoNGo

60kg - Domenico VALENTINO vs Jose PEDRAZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH7UIKVcwHo

54kg -Eduard ABZALIMOV vs Detelin DALAKLIEV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsfALZjlrk

51kgs - Mcwilliams ARROYO vs Tugstsogt NYAMBAYAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlhDmygZRdg

48kg -Serdamba PUREVDORJ vs David AYRAPETYAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwj-AobGDyY

[therealPunchDrunk]

Awesome DC, thanks!!

Nice to see such a good spread of nationalities winning gold medals this year. :)

[hitman_hatton1]

Gomez looked skilled to me, he had a lot of authority in the ring last night.

so what's the buzz on gomez then.

is he gonna go pro or stick with the amateurs for a bit longer.

how old is he?

[boxmel]

so what's the buzz on gomez then. is he gonna go pro or stick with the amateurs for a bit longer.
how old is he?

Frankie is 17 and has his sights set on the 2012 Olympics.

[Dennis]

Will Frankie Gomez sign with the WSB? He isn't in one of their 5 named weight-classes unless the corresponding weights are different.

[Dennis]

BTW

CONGRATS TO FRANKIE GOMEZ FOR BRINGING HOME A SILVER MEDAL!!! Like Deontay Wilder last year, he saved the day so USA didn't get shutout of the medals.

[boxmel]

Will Frankie Gomez sign with the WSB? He isn't in one of their 5 named weight-classes unless the corresponding weights are different.

I can't figure out why he would, especially when he wants to go to the Olympics. In my opinion, it's going to be hard for anyone participating in the WSB to switch to amateur style, rues, etc.

[ricky_old]

Mel:
We are still enjoying McWilliams victory and also Jose Pedraza's 5 victories before losing in the 60 kg finals. Dream come true for our little island (Puerto Rico), one gold and one silver. We sent only 4 boxers because of the cost of the tournament, hopefully we will recieve better help for the next World Championship.

And Mel Willie will recieve your hug.

[Dennis]

Will Frankie Gomez sign with the WSB? He isn't in one of their 5 named weight-classes unless the corresponding weights are different.

I can't figure out why he would, especially when he wants to go to the Olympics. In my opinion, it's going to be hard for anyone participating in the WSB to switch to amateur style, rues, etc.

The difference in rules? Besides the scoring system, more rounds, no shirts and no headgear, we have no idea of what differences there will be. Those 4 aren't insignificant, but if that's it that's not too bad.

Most of these guys can already handle 5 rounds of boxing. Many often train without shirts so that one isn't a big deal. The scoring system? Guys that are at the top of the amateur ranks can usually adust to the different scoring systems. No headgear? I think that is the biggest thing. The boxers will need to adjust. Several decades ago when the amateurs didn't wear headgear it was much easier for boxers to go from the amateurs to the pros. The WSB will bridge the gap between the two.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

So what about the money?? How can you get paid and then compete as an amateur in the OLympics? I still don't get that part of this

[Dennis]

So what about the money?? How can you get paid and then compete as an amateur in the OLympics? I still don't get that part of this

It has been happening for years. Boxers in many countries are paid by their governments. In the USA, the USOC pays the top boxers. For the last several Olympics they have often been paid between $50-75,000 per year. So I don't see this as being much different. Besides it is AIBA doing it so they make sure their amateur rules allow WSB boxers to compete in their tournaments. Just about every other sport in the Olympics allows professional athletes to compete in the Olympics.

[locoxelbox]

So what about the money?? How can you get paid and then compete as an amateur in the OLympics? I still don't get that part of this

ALL the top amateurs get paid to box. How could they otherwise dedicate so much time for training and competition. Roberto Cammarelle got 100.000 euros for his world championship gold. He said he hasn't received an interesting offer enough to turn pro and that he is interested in the SWB but his weight class isn't included.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

So what about the money?? How can you get paid and then compete as an amateur in the OLympics? I still don't get that part of this

It has been happening for years. Boxers in many countries are paid by their governments. In the USA, the USOC pays the top boxers. For the last several Olympics they have often been paid between $50-75,000 per year. So I don't see this as being much different. Besides it is AIBA doing it so they make sure their amateur rules allow WSB boxers to compete in their tournaments. Just about every other sport in the Olympics allows professional athletes to compete in the Olympics.

Ok, that makes sense but you just can't take money from anyone willing to give it. I wish that were true and boxers could get sponsor money from anyone willing to support them. But without monitoring, it stops being an amateur sport. I haven't been paying attention to WSB and forgot it was run by AIBA. So AIBA or USAB paying is ok. What about Ringside offering $5000 to heavyweight tourny winner? They did that this year so does that mean instead of belts and trophies, local shows can just offer cash prizes? I doubt it. I do know that most of the other countries pay amateur boxers way more than US but those countries are usually getting their respective govt's $$$ from what I read to support the
boxing programs. Too bad we can get more money to keep boxers in the amateurs. I'm just tryig to figure out how it is decided who can give money and who can't.

In the US it's my understanding that private donors can set up trusts for specific boxers but the money must go through USAB and be requisitioned and dispersed through USAB. Not sure if there is a limit to amount or what the money can be spent on. I've never looked into it myself for any of our boxers. Anyone done this in the US?

[hitman_hatton1]

so what's the buzz on gomez then. is he gonna go pro or stick with the amateurs for a bit longer.
how old is he?

Frankie is 17 and has his sights set on the 2012 Olympics.

impressive for 17.

under pro scoring he beat that cuban in the final.

bloody pick pocket scoring system is pants in the amateurs. :>

[locoxelbox]

impressive for 17.

under pro scoring he beat that cuban in the final.

Very impressive for a 17 but no way did Gomez beat the cuban. Pro scoring? well, in pro boxing the judges disagree at least as much as they do in amateur boxing...

I had a few nice days in Milan. it was great to watch the fights live. The semi-finals were really good with the highlight being the Egor Mekhontsev-Oleksandr Usyk bout. I was slightly dissapointed with the finals but there were some quality boxers. Best final bout was Beterbievs come from behind victory over uzbek Rasulov. Lomachenko was awesome but he did a bit too much showboating and got booed because of it. There were rumours he is going pro, but I couldn't find out for sure. Cammarelle was brilliant too. What a punch in the semifinal. the first of the fight! The italians would get 50.000 euros for gold and less for silver and bronze (30.000 and 10.000?) but Cammarelle wanted all or nothing. 100.000 for gold and none for anything else. It turned out to be a good decision for him.

The russians surprisingly started the final day losing their first four bouts but the verdict of Culkay-Keth vs Zamkovoy was really controversial. The whole crowd booed the german who got a gift decision.

Great victory for puertorican McWilliams Arroyo who has stayed amateur despite tons of offers to going pro. He's extremely strong for a flyweight but he was too cautious sometimes relying too much on his strong guard. When he let his punches go his opponents couldn't stay away from him.

Most popular was the victory of Domenico Valentino who had tons of supporters, even more than Cammarelle. 8000 showed up for the finals and they got a good show with two italian champions.

[Billy_kid]

I enjoyed boxing tournament in Milan, good fights,i predicted Valentino would win gold before tournament and he did, Camerelle also won, my other predictions came true, both, Purevdorj Serdamba and Jack Robert Culcay won.
Culcay fought well to be World champion from Germany who have produced fighters like Oktay Urkal, Vitali Tajbert,Rustam Rahimov. Mongolia will produce World champions in future, to get 3 guys, 2 in finals, 1 semi finals. Australia should have done well, Qamil and Ibrahim Balla, in my opinon are good boxers who could do well when they turn professional. Valentino and Russo will turn pro.

[boxmel]

under pro scoring he beat that cuban in the final.

By pro scoring you mean ring generalship and aggression, right?

[Dennis]

Mel - Pro scoring can also mean punches that get deflected, but still do damage. It can mean inside punches that cause the opponent to bleed, but in amateur scoring 3 or more judges can't all see it. Paddy Barnes would probably beat his opponent with pro scoring as he was hurting the guy with punches to the arms, through the gloves and to the body. Those punches just aren't counted with the ESS. I don't condone his poor sportsmanship, but I understand his frustration. Some boxers just do not have styles that work as well with the ESS as they do with the 10-point must system of the pro scoring.

[hitman_hatton1]

under pro scoring he beat that cuban in the final.

By pro scoring you mean ring generalship and aggression, right?

yeah.

gomez was the one come forward and forcing the action.

the cuban was covering up and scoring with the odd point here and there.

gomez was winning the rds in my opinion.

[hitman_hatton1]

Mel - Pro scoring can also mean punches that get deflected, but still do damage. It can mean inside punches that cause the opponent to bleed, but in amateur scoring 3 or more judges can't all see it. Paddy Barnes would probably beat his opponent with pro scoring as he was hurting the guy with punches to the arms, through the gloves and to the body. Those punches just aren't counted with the ESS. I don't condone his poor sportsmanship, but I understand his frustration. Some boxers just do not have styles that work as well with the ESS as they do with the 10-point must system of the pro scoring.

gomez was the one working away and not always getting off clean.

no way would u be scoring for the cuban in any of those rds in the pro's.

rules are rules and the cuban got it on clean shots.

gomez is a good pro prospect.

[panhandle boxing]

So what about the money?? How can you get paid and then compete as an amateur in the OLympics? I still don't get that part of this

It has been happening for years. Boxers in many countries are paid by their governments. In the USA, the USOC pays the top boxers. For the last several Olympics they have often been paid between $50-75,000 per year. So I don't see this as being much different. Besides it is AIBA doing it so they make sure their amateur rules allow WSB boxers to compete in their tournaments. Just about every other sport in the Olympics allows professional athletes to compete in the Olympics.

so is the scoring and the money being paid is the same like a pro fight??

[Dennis]

So what about the money?? How can you get paid and then compete as an amateur in the OLympics? I still don't get that part of this

It has been happening for years. Boxers in many countries are paid by their governments. In the USA, the USOC pays the top boxers. For the last several Olympics they have often been paid between $50-75,000 per year. So I don't see this as being much different. Besides it is AIBA doing it so they make sure their amateur rules allow WSB boxers to compete in their tournaments. Just about every other sport in the Olympics allows professional athletes to compete in the Olympics.

so is the scoring and the money being paid is the same like a pro fight??

The boxers will be paid an annual salary plus bonuses for each WSB competition and more for winning the competition. The 10 point must system that will be used is a staple in the pro ranks.