Baer 1934 V Louis 1937
Lewis 1993 V Liston 1962
M Spinks 1986 V Patterson 1956
Foreman 1973 V Tate 1979
Johansson 1959 V Tyson 1986
Marciano 1952 V Charles 1950
Holmes 1978 V Dempsey 1919
Tunney 1926 V Ali 1964
IMO
Baer V Louis - Louis KO 3.
Louis destroyed Baer in 1935. could a 1934 Baer do any better agaisnt a 1937 Louis? .... No.
Lewis V Liston - Liston KO 4.
Interesting one this, could go either way. It would depend who landed the big guns first.
M Spinks V Patterson. Spinks TKO 9.
This is a tough one. but im going for Spinks on the grounds that if Maxim could beat Patterson then so could Spinks.
Foreman V Tate - Forman KO 2
Has to be Big George over Big John.
Johansson V Tyson - Tyson KO 6
Tyson would swarm all over Johansson thowing bombs with every punch.
Marciano V Charles - Charles PTS.
Sticking my neck out here, but im going for a 1949 Charles over a raw Marciano. A bloody contest this one, Marciano,s face a mess by the end of the fight.
Holmes V Dempsey - Holmes PTS.
This would be a classic. I can see Holmes hitting the canvas once or twice, but would get up and keep Dempsey at long distance long enough to win a close fight.
Tunney V Ali - Ali PTS
Another classic fight. Tunney had the ability to outbox and out think Ali, both men were masters at strategy. Im going for Ali due to his size, but it would be close.
FANTASY FIGHTS ROUND THREE
FANTASY FIGHTS ROUND THREE
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jezzamundo
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[/quote]Baer 1934 V Louis 1937
Lewis 1993 V Liston 1962
M Spinks 1986 V Patterson 1956
Foreman 1973 V Tate 1979
Johansson 1959 V Tyson 1986
Marciano 1952 V Charles 1949
Holmes 1978 V Dempsey 1919
Tunney 1926 V Ali 1964 [/quote]
What gives man. Why have you changed the way the fantasy fights work? Why can't you just do what you did before, and say that all fighters are in their prime. Kind of sucks that you did that for the first two round, and changed the rules for the third. Plus, the years that you stated are not neccessarily the prime years for all the above fighters. Lennox Lewis was good in '93, but far from his prime, giving a very average performance against Frank Bruno, and not much better against Tony Tucker. His KO of Ruddock was impressive, but that was just one fight against a half decent opponent. Surely his prime was somewhere from 1997-2002, where he twice outboxed Holyfield, impressively KO'd Grant, Botha and Rahman and Tyson, and hardly took a punch over 12 rounds against Tua. Not all of his opposition were fantastic, or in their prime, but Lewis was a more complete, more diciplined fighter at this point of his career. Please, why have you chosen the '93 Lewis?
Also, although Tyson had been impressive by 1986, he had really only beaten only second and third tier fighters. Surely 1988 would be closer to his prime? By then he had beaten Tucker, Biggs, Holmes (albeit past his prime) and destroyed M. Spinks.
I'm sure there are others I could comment on, but that will do for now.
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Lewis 1993 V Liston 1962
M Spinks 1986 V Patterson 1956
Foreman 1973 V Tate 1979
Johansson 1959 V Tyson 1986
Marciano 1952 V Charles 1949
Holmes 1978 V Dempsey 1919
Tunney 1926 V Ali 1964 [/quote]
What gives man. Why have you changed the way the fantasy fights work? Why can't you just do what you did before, and say that all fighters are in their prime. Kind of sucks that you did that for the first two round, and changed the rules for the third. Plus, the years that you stated are not neccessarily the prime years for all the above fighters. Lennox Lewis was good in '93, but far from his prime, giving a very average performance against Frank Bruno, and not much better against Tony Tucker. His KO of Ruddock was impressive, but that was just one fight against a half decent opponent. Surely his prime was somewhere from 1997-2002, where he twice outboxed Holyfield, impressively KO'd Grant, Botha and Rahman and Tyson, and hardly took a punch over 12 rounds against Tua. Not all of his opposition were fantastic, or in their prime, but Lewis was a more complete, more diciplined fighter at this point of his career. Please, why have you chosen the '93 Lewis?
Also, although Tyson had been impressive by 1986, he had really only beaten only second and third tier fighters. Surely 1988 would be closer to his prime? By then he had beaten Tucker, Biggs, Holmes (albeit past his prime) and destroyed M. Spinks.
I'm sure there are others I could comment on, but that will do for now.
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jezzamundo
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You just answered your own question.What gives man. Why have you changed the way the fantasy fights work?
What i intended for the first two rounds was that all fighters be judged at the time they first won thier titles. I mistakinly added the "prime" wording.
The reason i wanted to use the dates was as you pointed out , "prime" is so open to opinion and speculation.
The dates i have given refer to the dates that each fighter won thier title, i havent changed the rules.
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dempseyfire
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Louis KO 5 Baer
Liston KO 6 Lewis (whoever lands first?? Liston had a MUCH better chin then Lewis ever did . . . )
Patterson UD 12 Spinks
Foreman KO 3 Tate (not sure how Tate got in this tournament in the first place . . .decent fighter but not on the level of these other guys)
Tyson KO 4 Johannson
Why is it Charles 1949??? That wasn't his prime . . . anyway Marciano UD Charles
Dempsey KO 9 Holmes
Tunney SD Ali
Liston KO 6 Lewis (whoever lands first?? Liston had a MUCH better chin then Lewis ever did . . . )
Patterson UD 12 Spinks
Foreman KO 3 Tate (not sure how Tate got in this tournament in the first place . . .decent fighter but not on the level of these other guys)
Tyson KO 4 Johannson
Why is it Charles 1949??? That wasn't his prime . . . anyway Marciano UD Charles
Dempsey KO 9 Holmes
Tunney SD Ali
He gets in because he was once a Heavyweight champion. Round one started with all recorded Heavywieght champs, so Tate qualfied.not sure how Tate got in this tournament in the first place . . .decent fighter but not on the level of these other guys
Why is Tate STILL in the competition?, well because he outpointed Henry Akinwande, (round one), and knocked out Wladimir Klitschko in the previous round. Dont blame me, im just the matchmaker not the judge
I chose 1949 because that was the year he won the vacant NBA Heavwieght Title. I guess i should have chosen 1950, when he beat Louis and was reguarded as undisputed champ. If you want to make it 1950 go ahead, i dont think it would affect the result of his fight with Marciano do you.Why is it Charles 1949???
..charles was in his prime when he was a light heavyweight. he was actually past his prime when he beat louis...but still had enough left to beat heavyweights. so...it's hard to match the prime charles against the strong marciano when charles was at his best at around 171 to 175.
...but...i'd pick the charles who beat joe baksi (charles official weight something around 174...actually several pounds lighter) to batter marciano in a bloodbath.....the blood being marcianos.
...but...i'd pick the charles who beat joe baksi (charles official weight something around 174...actually several pounds lighter) to batter marciano in a bloodbath.....the blood being marcianos.
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thenextbigthing
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Baer 1934 V Louis 1937
Lewis 1993 V Liston 1962
M Spinks 1986 V Patterson 1956
Foreman 1973 V Tate 1979
Johansson 1959 V Tyson 1986
Marciano 1952 V Charles 1950
Holmes 1978 V Dempsey 1919
Tunney 1926 V Ali 1964
Louis KO Baer - Easy.
Lewis KO Liston - this is a hard one. Do I rate Lewis on his Ruddock fight, or his Tucker fight? Either way, Liston never fought anyone as big, strong or powerful as Lewis, and had had trouble against fighters with good jabs (Ali). He went apart mentally against Ali and would do the same against Lewis, probably would choose to stay down after a big uppercut or overhand right.
M Spinks KO Patterson - Patterson's chin too weak, wouldn't make the distance.
Foreman KO Tate - Ha, easy one!
Tyson KO Johansson - Johansson would outbox Tyson until his chin was exposed, and he was knocked out.
Marciano KO Charles - I'm going for a very late KO to Rocky.
Holmes UD Dempsey - Very hard to decide. Either Dempsey would knock Holmes out, or Holmes would do enough with his jab for a points win. I'm tipping for the former.
Ali TKO Tunney - Ali would have all the physical advantages as well as his speed, and would stop Tunney on either cuts or a referee stoppage.
Lewis 1993 V Liston 1962
M Spinks 1986 V Patterson 1956
Foreman 1973 V Tate 1979
Johansson 1959 V Tyson 1986
Marciano 1952 V Charles 1950
Holmes 1978 V Dempsey 1919
Tunney 1926 V Ali 1964
Louis KO Baer - Easy.
Lewis KO Liston - this is a hard one. Do I rate Lewis on his Ruddock fight, or his Tucker fight? Either way, Liston never fought anyone as big, strong or powerful as Lewis, and had had trouble against fighters with good jabs (Ali). He went apart mentally against Ali and would do the same against Lewis, probably would choose to stay down after a big uppercut or overhand right.
M Spinks KO Patterson - Patterson's chin too weak, wouldn't make the distance.
Foreman KO Tate - Ha, easy one!
Tyson KO Johansson - Johansson would outbox Tyson until his chin was exposed, and he was knocked out.
Marciano KO Charles - I'm going for a very late KO to Rocky.
Holmes UD Dempsey - Very hard to decide. Either Dempsey would knock Holmes out, or Holmes would do enough with his jab for a points win. I'm tipping for the former.
Ali TKO Tunney - Ali would have all the physical advantages as well as his speed, and would stop Tunney on either cuts or a referee stoppage.
Louis TKO8 Baer
Lewis KO4 Liston
Spinks KO5 Patterson
Foreman KO3 Tate
Johansson SD Tyson
Marciano KO12 Charles
Holmes UD Dempsey
Ali UD Tunney
Some were trickier than others. To be honsest I am 50/50 with Johansson and Tyson. As mentioned earlier, I think if it were the '88 Tyson, it would have been a different story, but by '86 Tyson had never fought anyone close to Johansson. Marciano-Charles was also a hard one. The rest I am pretty confident with though.
Lewis KO4 Liston
Spinks KO5 Patterson
Foreman KO3 Tate
Johansson SD Tyson
Marciano KO12 Charles
Holmes UD Dempsey
Ali UD Tunney
Some were trickier than others. To be honsest I am 50/50 with Johansson and Tyson. As mentioned earlier, I think if it were the '88 Tyson, it would have been a different story, but by '86 Tyson had never fought anyone close to Johansson. Marciano-Charles was also a hard one. The rest I am pretty confident with though.
Louis KO Baer
Liston KO Lewis
Spinks KO Patterson
Foreman KO Tate
Tyson DESTROYS Johanson
Marciano KO Charles
Holmes KO Dempsey
Ali KO Tunney
Quick notes on this. Louis would destroy Baer anytime anywhere. Liston would bring something to the table Rahman and Tyson didn't, a jab, and that would set him up to throw something large and hard at Lewis's chin. On the other hand, Lewis might do the same. Tyson would destroy Johanson (who I don't know how he made it this far in this tournament). Marciano beat Charles in tough fights and this would be no different. Holmes would mess Dempsey up. He would jab him all night, wear him out and knock him out. To make a comparison between Ali and Tunney is an insult to Ali. Ali would toy with him and win every round against a guy that could box, but was a notch or two below Ali in every aspect of the game.
Liston KO Lewis
Spinks KO Patterson
Foreman KO Tate
Tyson DESTROYS Johanson
Marciano KO Charles
Holmes KO Dempsey
Ali KO Tunney
Quick notes on this. Louis would destroy Baer anytime anywhere. Liston would bring something to the table Rahman and Tyson didn't, a jab, and that would set him up to throw something large and hard at Lewis's chin. On the other hand, Lewis might do the same. Tyson would destroy Johanson (who I don't know how he made it this far in this tournament). Marciano beat Charles in tough fights and this would be no different. Holmes would mess Dempsey up. He would jab him all night, wear him out and knock him out. To make a comparison between Ali and Tunney is an insult to Ali. Ali would toy with him and win every round against a guy that could box, but was a notch or two below Ali in every aspect of the game.