Harris win TKO 11

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:39

Yes and i am posting naked right now

Danilo Haussler decisioned Ruben Groenewald as well...i was hoping we had seen the last of Haussler

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:41

it was a close fight then harris landed a right and floored urkal. he got up on jelly legs and the ref stopped it.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:43

Urkal announced his retirement after the fight.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:47

No doubt there will be another read to step in his place.....Kai Kurzawa anyone?

krikit · Post by **krikit** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:48

I scored the fight 8-2 to Harris, although I'm abit biased. German friend had it 4 points up for Harris.

Harris is very underrated in the division, I think he's got a great chance against Gatti, Mitchell, Hatton & Cotto.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:48

I was reading a play by play and they had Urkal winning only 2 rounds, Harris fucked him up. Just like last time. Harris is now the Legit No.3 at least in the division, he has better wins than all except Tszyu and Mayweather with his coming at lower weights. He's the real deal.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:52

Not surprised he's retired. He's a brave lad and took some hard punishment in there. Those Harris right hands are brutal.
Vivian made a great start w/ sharp jabs and right hands, but Urkal came back in the middle rounds with some good flurries to pull things level.
Harris seemed a bit tired; the Urkal body shots slowed him down.

But he got his 2nd wind, came on strong, and finished of an exhuasted opponent with a hard right hand.
Good referee tonight.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:52

I saw it even (before round 11) with lots of close rounds.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:53

Seems odd that after a career of protection and occasional dodgy decisions suddenly the home German fighter loses and it is actually perceived by many that he had won the fight. I mean look at Urkal-Harris I and Michalezcewski-Gonzalez, in by no means the most controversial of there many fights both are on the wrong end of the scorecards in fights they seemed to have won....just seems weird

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:57

The thought that Harris fears Ricky Hatton is laughable. This guy can fight and is hungry as hell. In his mind everybody is against him. Ricky is spoiled and imo he would have knocked Ricky out with one of those big right hands.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Oct 2004, 18:58

steve689 wrote:Seems odd that after a career of protection and occasional dodgy decisions suddenly the home German fighter loses and it is actually perceived by many that he had won the fight. I mean look at Urkal-Harris I and Michalezcewski-Gonzalez, in by no means the most controversial of there many fights both are on the wrong end of the scorecards in fights they seemed to have won....just seems weird

Yes I've noticed that too. Also recently Michel Trabant lost a very close one to Rivera for the WBA welter title, in his hometown of Berlin.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 23 Oct 2004, 19:02

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:The thought that Harris fears Ricky Hatton is laughable. This guy can fight and is hungry as hell. In his mind everybody is against him. Ricky is spoiled and imo he would have knocked Ricky out with one of those big right hands.

His body is all rib cage, and he didn't seem to appreciate Urkal hitting him there. Hatton would have a good chance with the body shots, that's his game. Of course Harris might clock him with a big right hand on the way in. Great fight and a loss to us fans it never happened.

Steward turned down 750K for that fight, and goes for a 400K job instead. Maybe he thinks it's a wrong fight for his man? Who knows...

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Oct 2004, 19:07

Harris will probably make as much in the Urkal and Mbaye 2 matches combined as he would have vs Hatton. This could turn out to be the best decision after all....

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 23 Oct 2004, 19:09

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:The thought that Harris fears Ricky Hatton is laughable. This guy can fight and is hungry as hell. In his mind everybody is against him. Ricky is spoiled and imo he would have knocked Ricky out with one of those big right hands.

Of course he would have. Hatton has never faced someone like Harris. Everybody knows why he cowardly removed himself from the mandatory position for harris title. Lots of guys here blame Harris for it and say that he bottled out of the fight. Well what do they say now after he went over to GERMANY and took an even HARDER fight and KO'd Urkal? Hatton is a joke.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 23 Oct 2004, 19:12

lirva might be a bit crazy but has a point, talk of Hatton-Tszyu (mostly built up by you know who) is just a pipe dream and will never happen in a million years, Tszyu isn't interested in pretenders at this stage of his career he wants paydays. If Hatton-Tszyu comes off i'll post naked on.....oh wait, sorry i already did that one 8)

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 23 Oct 2004, 19:14

steve689 wrote:lirva might be a bit crazy but has a point, talk of Hatton-Tszyu (mostly built up by you know who) is just a pipe dream and will never happen in a million years, Tszyu isn't interested in pretenders at this stage of his career he wants paydays. If Hatton-Tszyu comes off i'll post naked on.....oh wait, sorry i already did that one 8)

only cause you heard Danilo Haussler won

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 23 Oct 2004, 21:48

Harris still only 5th in the Boxrec rankings with Cotto with only about 22 fights above him and of course Hatton 2nd with his ridiculus 37-0. Can anyone believe Hatton is 37-0 without fighting a top ten opponent? Its crazy. Would any boxer with any ambition stand for this? Who was it Samson Dutchboy Gym, kind of a joke champion but Ricky is doing exactly the same.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 23 Oct 2004, 22:03

Lefthookhappy19 wrote:Harris still only 5th in the Boxrec rankings with Cotto with only about 22 fights above him and of course Hatton 2nd with his ridiculus 37-0. Can anyone believe Hatton is 37-0 without fighting a top ten opponent? Its crazy. Would any boxer with any ambition stand for this? Who was it Samson Dutchboy Gym, kind of a joke champion but Ricky is doing exactly the same.

The ranlkingsd have not been updated yet so he could still move up a place or two

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 24 Oct 2004, 07:49

steve689 wrote:lirva might be a bit crazy but has a point, talk of Hatton-Tszyu (mostly built up by you know who) is just a pipe dream and will never happen in a million years, Tszyu isn't interested in pretenders at this stage of his career he wants paydays. If Hatton-Tszyu comes off i'll post naked on.....oh wait, sorry i already did that one 8)

No but yeah but no but wait, Frank is going to 'sit down' and 'talk to their people' with a view to 'doing something' next year.

Doing what? A great big congo? An oil painting? Prick.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 24 Oct 2004, 07:52

Anyway, sorry about that, this thread was about Vivian Harris's impressive win over Urkal. I'll keep an eye out for downloading it, well done Harris, that's twice into the lion's den and out with your world title.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 24 Oct 2004, 07:57

Goz wrote:
steve689 wrote:lirva might be a bit crazy but has a point, talk of Hatton-Tszyu (mostly built up by you know who) is just a pipe dream and will never happen in a million years, Tszyu isn't interested in pretenders at this stage of his career he wants paydays. If Hatton-Tszyu comes off i'll post naked on.....oh wait, sorry i already did that one 8)
No but yeah but no but wait, Frank is going to 'sit down' and 'talk to their people' with a view to 'doing something' next year.

Doing what? A great big congo? An oil painting? Prick.

I say a great big congo. Negotiations will be tough but they should agree to it, but only in manchester, and frank will favour a 90-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 split of the money.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Oct 2004, 11:21

steve689 wrote:lirva might be a bit crazy but has a point, talk of Hatton-Tszyu (mostly built up by you know who) is just a pipe dream and will never happen in a million years, Tszyu isn't interested in pretenders at this stage of his career he wants paydays. If Hatton-Tszyu comes off i'll post naked on.....oh wait, sorry i already did that one 8)

Tszyu basically said as much in an interview. He either wants Cotto, Mayuweather or Gatti, or he said he will consider moving up in weight.

There would have to be some really serious money to interest him in fighting Hatton at this stage.

Never say never though. I do wonder just how many big earners Tszyu has had, he's not a huge draw despite being highly regarded.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 26 Oct 2004, 07:07

lirva33 wrote:
Lefthookhappy19 wrote:The thought that Harris fears Ricky Hatton is laughable. This guy can fight and is hungry as hell. In his mind everybody is against him. Ricky is spoiled and imo he would have knocked Ricky out with one of those big right hands.

Of course he would have. Hatton has never faced someone like Harris. Everybody knows why he cowardly removed himself from the mandatory position for harris title. Lots of guys here blame Harris for it and say that he bottled out of the fight. Well what do they say now after he went over to GERMANY and took an even HARDER fight and KO'd Urkal? Hatton is a joke.

Hatton doesn't go to Germany because he doesn't have to, not because he's a "coward".

You really think Harris wanted to go to Germany? No, he went because he had to. He's not a draw, so he has to travel - simple economics.

If Harris was a big draw in his homeland, he'd never leave town either.

don't call it a comeback · Post by **don't call it a comeback** » 26 Oct 2004, 07:19

Freiheit wrote:Harris will probably make as much in the Urkal and Mbaye 2 matches combined as he would have vs Hatton. This could turn out to be the best decision after all....

Did you not see Harris threaten to pull out the week of the Urkal fight? Apparently he was only getting $315k for the fight and of that a massive 60% was going to go to paying off Shelley Finkel. If Harris takes home any more than $40k net from the Urkal fight I'd be very surprised. The difference between the offer to fight Hatton and what he got to fight Urkal, that would have been where Harris made real money. He made next to nothing from this week's fight.

And who's going to pay him $400k to fight Mbaye?