Commentary on Tyson vs HolyfieldI

[Grimm]

Can anyone name these guys?

I'm re watching the fight and one of the commentators is a complete idiot.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You must be watching the Showtime version and listening to Bobby Czyz. He had Tyson ahead after 8 rds, when he only won one round in the whole fight. Kept trying to trump up himself, because he had just quit against Holyfield. Czyz always sucked, Pacheco can work your nerves, but Bobby was almost as bad as Teddy atlas.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Czyz is an absolute Tyson maniac. Check out his history, & you'll see he thinks Iron Mike = Superman. It's not that he's that bad an analyst, but he's got an awful sweet blindspot for Tyson.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't know if he can top Lampley's love of MAB. Czyz gives Tyson every rd. But 4 or 5 clean shots on Marco solicits a HUGE HOOK FROM BARRERA!

[Goodnight, Irene]

Lampley blasted the hell out of Barrera, though, during the rematch with Pacquiao. Caned him.

[Counter-puncher]

Lampley blasted the hell out of Barrera, though, during the rematch with Pacquiao. Caned him.

ugh. 'this is the kind of fight that the fighter who wins the last round deservesto win the fight.... I think Barrera did it, I think barrera won!' etc etc etc

i hate the way lampley (over-)emphasises certain words. like we need stuff italicising just in case we can't work out the huge import of his words at that point, 'Morales is landing the more tactically significant blows, he's doing what heeeeewants to do' etc

i hate Lampley

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

You must be watching the Showtime version and listening to Bobby Czyz. He had Tyson ahead after 8 rds, when he only won one round in the whole fight.

- Ah, hah, hah, Saad still on the deck eating canvas again is it? Must be a tool of the Vegas system where they score Mr. Field butts as KDs.

Brilliant!!!!!!

[Ezzard]

Re-watching fights is always interesting. It's very easy to see with hindsight just how favoured certain fighters are.

When I watch Leonard versus Hearns and Duran, even though he's on the receiving end, the commentators always seem to be looking to talk about him positively in a way they just don't do with other fighters.

Same with Tyson. He gets spanked by Holyfield but that's not the story these people want.

[dempseyfire]

I think most observers had Tyson winning two rounds, the first and the 5th. I could see someone giving him the 3rd or 4th due to excessive holding by Evander . . .but that's it.

[Rocky Balboa]

The commentary in the UK was the late, great Reg Gutteridge & Jim Watt! They made a brilliant team!

Reg was a marvelous commentator, always talked sense, not rubbish & didin't over-hype things as commentators do quite a bit nowadays!

I remember when Tyson made his entrance to the ring, Reg said: "Here comes the main man in the game!" Reg always knew how to get the adrenalin going! Holyfield had more supporters in the arena, Tyson was booed quite a bit when introduced!

I remember Watt commenting that Tyson's hands were very fast for a HW.

[chiricahua]

Tyson won the first 5 rounds then he lost all the others.
The judges also had Tyson ahead after the first 5 rounds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think most observers had Tyson winning two rounds, the first and the 5th. I could see someone giving him the 3rd or 4th due to excessive holding by Evander . . .but that's it.

He clearly won the 5th, not sure where he could be given the 1st.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Tyson won the first 5 rounds then he lost all the others.
The judges also had Tyson ahead after the first 5 rounds.

I just saw a judge give Escobedo 8rds on Saturday. It's usually better to use your eyes. He won the first five rds? Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bobby Czyz!

[Grimm]

Tyson won the first 5 rounds then he lost all the others.
The judges also had Tyson ahead after the first 5 rounds.

I just saw a judge give Escobedo 8rds on Saturday. It's usually better to use your eyes. He won the first five rds? Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bobby Czyz!

Yeah Tyson was getting his ass thoroughly beaten.

It was Bobby Czyz his entire time commentating made me not want to watch the fight it was like he was watching something else.

[Robinson]

Czyz is an absolute Tyson maniac. Check out his history, & you'll see he thinks Iron Mike = Superman. It's not that he's that bad an analyst, but he's got an awful sweet blindspot for Tyson.

Most fighters are like this when it came to Tyson you will find.
It is the 'academics' that have other opinions.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Tyson won the first 5 rounds then he lost all the others.
The judges also had Tyson ahead after the first 5 rounds.

I just saw a judge give Escobedo 8rds on Saturday. It's usually better to use your eyes. He won the first five rds? Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bobby Czyz!

Chiricahua, you will find, is a Tyson fanatic.

[dempseyfire]

I think most observers had Tyson winning two rounds, the first and the 5th. I could see someone giving him the 3rd or 4th due to excessive holding by Evander . . .but that's it.

He clearly won the 5th, not sure where he could be given the 1st.

Evander had one good flurry but Tyson was def. had the better of the action and landed the best punches of the 1st round.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Oh, well if it's definitely, I stand corrected. Tyson came out and threw a right and immediately got hit with a harder one. It was a clear round for somebody, you got that much right.

[chiricahua]

Tyson won the first 5 rounds then he lost all the others.
The judges also had Tyson ahead after the first 5 rounds.

I just saw a judge give Escobedo 8rds on Saturday. It's usually better to use your eyes. He won the first five rds? Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bobby Czyz!

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr.pathetic Holyfield fanboy.
By the way, are you talking about Holyfield with or without steroids?
Next you will say that the head butts were also accidental.
After the first fight against Holyfield,Lennox said:"...now i know why Holyfield was bitten by Tyson, the man fights with his head.."Another Tyson fanatic
Regardless, in my opinion, Holyfield was the better man,period.
Two of the three judges had Tyson ahead but hey you a mr.nobody holyfield fanatic without any professional knowledge about boxing is right just because there are bad judges out there.
it is funny your dumb generalization of boxing judges when they disagree with you.
why the hell holyfield fans are always so worried about Tyson.
Tyson was so bad,why talk about a fornicating overrated bum?

Chiricahua, you will find, is a Tyson fanatic.

Me and a lot of legendary trainers and boxing historians,all of them are Tyson maniacs.
lol why don't you STFU with this brainless garbage.
Just,because i had the opportunity to work with Kevin Rooney and learn Cus's style i'm a fanatic. I also had the opportunity to speak several times with Teddy Atlas and i learned a lot,but hey some nerds on the web who never trained anybody know more about boxing than people who are in this sport for decades.
So next time,look at yourself in the mirror boy, before doing dumb unsupported comments.
Teddy atlas is right about some idiots on the web.
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/David_Tyl ... g20_09.htm

Another Tyson fanatic.
Look what the great historian herb said about mike tyson:http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/w42x-kd.htm
Another man-- a shame what’s happened to him, and I’d say the only man who could have beaten him eventually did beat him, and that was himself—Mike Tyson. Now Mike Tyson’s style—talking about a boxer learning from boxers of the past—and it’s amazing that more has not been made of this. Mike Tyson’s style is Jack Dempsey, completely. The way he comes in quickly with a bob and weave, ducks down low and comes up with a smashing left hook to the larger man’s head and face, that’s Jack Dempsey. When Tyson turned pro he even came into the ring with the sides of his head shaven in emulation of Jack Dempsey. There is no doubt about this. No socks, low shoes, black trunks. This was a young man who studied old fight films like crazy. And he found that the style of Jack Dempsey was more conducive to his own abilities than any other style. And that’s what he developed.

KD -- I always felt that Tyson was a small heavyweight and he was often misunderstood and under-rated in terms of the level of genuine skill that he brought into the ring.

HG -- That’s right. A lot of people did not understand what they were watching when they saw Mike Tyson. He was not some slugger as such.

KD -- He was not a super-power in terms of his physical strength

HG -- Oh no. One thing about Mike Tyson that I don’t think a lot of people understand because of, let’s say his psychological-social problems, a lot of people think he’s some kind of stupid brute. He’s not. He happens to be, as far as I can see-- and I don’t know the man but I have had a couple of conversations with him-- an intelligent young man. He’s probably one of the most intelligent fighters, certainly in terms of boxing, that we’ve seen. His emulation of the Jack Dempsey’s style. His knowledge of boxing history is considerable, by the way, and when you listen to him, this is not a stupid man. He’s a very misunderstood boxer, and people also do not understand that his skills eroded after a certain period. People will say Ah he was never anything,. They start to question him all the way back. No. He peaked when he knocked out Michael Spinks in the first round. But beginning about a year after that he really started to go down hill.

KD -- That was a period when he had separated from Rooney, his remaining D’Amato trainer, and he no longer had a real trainer who understood his style.

HG -- Right. Tyson was a fighter who needed a certain edge. He needed to be on edge. And when he lost that he lost a tremendous amount. He still has too much power and over-all ability for ninety or ninety-five percent of all the fighters out there. There’s no question about that. But at his peak I can’t imagine—and I say this with all respect and deference for Evander Holyfield—but at his peak I can’t imagine Tyson being defeated by Holyfield. At his peak he would have been a terrific fight even for the peak Muhammad Ali.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Buck up little trooper, Mike had an excellent career for what he had, he just couldn't beat Holyfield.

And no, I don't blame Tyson for trying to headbutt his way out of the fight, that's how he fights, when the going gets tough, he looks to quit.

As to the rest of that post, you should seek treatment.

[chiricahua]

Buck up little trooper, Mike had an excellent career for what he had, he just couldn't beat Holyfield.

And no, I don't blame Tyson for trying to headbutt his way out of the fight, that's how he fights, when the going gets tough, he looks to quit.

As to the rest of that post, you should seek treatment.

You are the one who opens threads to insult the others like a PSYCHOPATH just because you don't agree with some judge.
Tyson just quits?
He didn't quit in the first fight and how the hell can someone fight against a guy who is using his head all the time (and throwing low blows) having the referees supporting his illegal tactics.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

LOL, I insulted you by questioning your scorecard? You need to get some thicker skin. Especially if you're going to score a fight like that. A judge had Tyson ahead of Douglas as well. That doesn't mean it was right. In any case, it's highly irrelevant because Mike got KTFO in both fights.

It's no secret that Holyfield headbutts guys. The biggest headbutt in the first fight was initiated by tyson and then he cowered away hoping for some help from the ref. It's plain as day, watch the fight.

Tyson has quit on more than one occasion and tried to several others, just the facts man. Try not to throw another hissy fit.

[Ezzard]

In both the Douglas and Holyfield fights Tyson was pushed back, hit and tied up on the inside.

Everyone else had always looked to run and jab. Tyson ate those guys up.

What bothers some observers Of the sport is that Mike gets different treatment to other fighters. A fat Duran getting an excuse when he’s in his 30s, 2 to 4 divisions above his best fighting weight and with a career behind him that already proves he is a legend, is one thing. A guy who at 24 gets beaten by a fringe contender and then a worn out ex-champ, but who is still, according to some, the second-coming, is quite another.

Tyson looked unbeatable for a while. Just like Foreman once did. Just like Liston once did. Bleat on about it as much as you like but everything going into those two fights were in Tyson’s favour. I didn’t even bother staying up to watch the first one. It seemed like a no-contest to me. Holyfield was just another past-it fighter being hyped up to feed to the money-machine Tyson.

I understand that Tyson was great to watch. I also appreciate how many can project their masculine ideal onto Tyson, but that has no bearing on what he was and wasn’t as a fighter.

He was a great fighter who met his match and capitulated.

[chiricahua]

LOL, I insulted you by questioning your scorecard?

No,you insulted me cos you called me mr.Bobby something.
I have nothing to do with that guy.However,he didn't say anything special about Tyson just that he was strong and quick.
Is that a lie??
In the second fight he bashed Tyson pretty bad and he never said anything about holyfield head butts or low blows.
Now,when we have Teddy Atlas who hates Tyson, saying that Tyson was just a good puncher after Rooney /prison and that his technique, speed and defense became pretty bad we have our answer, even Freddie Pacheco
who hates Tyson said that we never saw Tyson again after prison.
Hell,Holyfield said that Tyson was easy to hit after prison.
It is delusional, ludicrous and pathetic to say that Tyson was fighting like before.

It's no secret that Holyfield headbutts guys. The biggest headbutt in the first fight was initiated by tyson and then he cowered away hoping for some help from the ref. It's plain as day, watch the fight.

I agree with this,however Holyfield was trying to head butt him all the time so the referee should took a point from Holyfield,but i still agree with the judges about the first 5 rounds,regardless you can't use examples of bad judges like the one who had Tyson ahead Douglas.

Tyson has quit on more than one occasion and tried to several others, just the facts man.

When?

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Tyson looked unbeatable for a while. Just like Foreman once did. Just like Liston once did. Bleat on about it as much as you like but everything going into those two fights were in Tyson’s favour. I didn’t even bother staying up to watch the first one. It seemed like a no-contest to me. Holyfield was just another past-it fighter being hyped up to feed to the money-machine Tyson.

- Tyson was the anthesis of Foreman and Liston. No, make that ANTITHESIS!!!!!!!!

Tyson was just a kid cleaning up prime bigger, stronger champs that Mr. Larry avoided as major threats. Nobody in heavy history cleaned out and unified the division as he did. What, Foreman won his first 4 title fights, Liston his first two, well, Tyson had won 8 straight and unified the fractured division in 4 of those fights before he was 22 yrs old. Nary a scratch on him and already making more in career earnings than the previous 5 heavy champs combined..

Any of the post prison fights Tyson had could've been ruled NC/ND because he was certified off the rails from as soon as he got tangled up with Givens and King and really didn't want to be training much less fighting. He just wanted his stolen money back and had to be babysat, coddled, and propped up in the ring to fight for it. Probably 20 million of his ring earnings was paid out into hiring minders to look after him and keep him out of trouble.

How are things always in Tyson's favour when mentally he was shot to smithereens by age 22 and he's in the middle of being set up and fleeced by the greatest conman in the history of boxing, a guy who has paid out multimillions in settlements fighters signed to him?

Strange lot here on this forum that can't see how shot he was. Mentally he has more in common with Micheal Jackson than he has with Foreman and Liston. He just couldn't do the song and dance in feminized whiteface routine that Jackson pulled off and was forced by circumstance and thankfully guided early but Cus into being a boxer.