Anthony Small?

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 21 Sep 2009, 14:52

Pay him off somehow!

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 21 Sep 2009, 14:55

twenty six wrote:No he can't sack him.
On what basis anyway ?

For being a bad manager?

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 21 Sep 2009, 15:24

Why has Wazza been a bad Manager for Small?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 21 Sep 2009, 15:30

twenty six wrote:Why has Wazza been a bad Manager for Small?

If he is getting in the way of Small getting a promoter then he is being a very bad manager.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 21 Sep 2009, 15:33

He needs to get rid of him otherwise he a bit stuck!

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 22 Sep 2009, 04:24

Who says Wazza is getting in the way Horse ?

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 22 Sep 2009, 10:39

twenty six wrote:Who says Wazza is getting in the way Horse ?

You suggested he might get in the way with this comment:

twenty six wrote:However he does have a stumbling block - Wazza is still his Manager !!!

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 22 Sep 2009, 11:54

You can read more into things than exist.
Small is under contract with Wazza as his Manager.
Under his guidance he has become British and Commonwealth champion.
Small then went public, saying he was looking for a Promotor as a free agent.
Would you, as a Promotor, risk taking on contractually a boxer who is Managed by someone - who is also a rival Promotor ?
It's as simple as that.
Small thought he was being a big time Charlie by going public and presumably thought every Promotor would be bending over backwards with mega money deals.
Sadly not.
I've absolutely no doubt there are interested parties, but there's a way of going about things and for a change his arrogance has bit him on the arse.

Horse · Post by **Horse** » 22 Sep 2009, 12:09

twenty six wrote:Would you, as a Promotor, risk taking on contractually a boxer who is Managed by someone - who is also a rival Promotor ?
It's as simple as that.

How many fighters has Warren managed that are promoted by someone else? Did the arrangement work well?

If Warren has a decent reputation as a manager of boxers promoted by others, then I would probably take the risk.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 22 Sep 2009, 16:58

I know feck all about the situation but I suspected, as twenty six confirmed, he was expecting a big time deal after beating Hall and it never materialised. He must feel that he can manage himself and fight on the show of the highest bidder and all that but I think he should just stick with Warren. And by the sound of it, he doesn't have much choic anyway!

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 22 Sep 2009, 17:06

Horse,
Can you think of one ?

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 22 Sep 2009, 17:10

twenty six wrote:Horse,
Can you think of one ?

I can think of one and it hasn't worked well!

Spud · Post by **Spud** » 22 Sep 2009, 18:27

twenty six wrote:You can read more into things than exist.
Small is under contract with Wazza as his Manager.
Under his guidance he has become British and Commonwealth champion.
Small then went public, saying he was looking for a Promotor as a free agent.
Would you, as a Promotor, risk taking on contractually a boxer who is Managed by someone - who is also a rival Promotor ?
It's as simple as that.
Small thought he was being a big time Charlie by going public and presumably thought every Promotor would be bending over backwards with mega money deals.
Sadly not.
I've absolutely no doubt there are interested parties, but there's a way of going about things and for a change his arrogance has bit him on the arse.

Spot on!!! - absolutely!!!

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 23 Sep 2009, 03:33

Co,
Who is that then ?

Hagler2002 · Post by **Hagler2002** » 23 Sep 2009, 18:26

twenty six wrote:You can read more into things than exist.
Small is under contract with Wazza as his Manager.
Under his guidance he has become British and Commonwealth champion.
Small then went public, saying he was looking for a Promotor as a free agent.
Would you, as a Promotor, risk taking on contractually a boxer who is Managed by someone - who is also a rival Promotor ?
It's as simple as that.
Small thought he was being a big time Charlie by going public and presumably thought every Promotor would be bending over backwards with mega money deals.
Sadly not.
I've absolutely no doubt there are interested parties, but there's a way of going about things and for a change his arrogance has bit him on the arse.

There is no doubt about it, the man is a arrogant moron but as far as talent goes he is definitely at European level now and possibly a World title challenger 18 months down the line, maybe he is well entitled to make his mouth go and push his promoter into making the fights he needs.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 23 Sep 2009, 18:33

mrrocco wrote:
Spud wrote:
twenty six wrote:You can read more into things than exist.
Small is under contract with Wazza as his Manager.
Under his guidance he has become British and Commonwealth champion.
Small then went public, saying he was looking for a Promotor as a free agent.
Would you, as a Promotor, risk taking on contractually a boxer who is Managed by someone - who is also a rival Promotor ?
It's as simple as that.
Small thought he was being a big time Charlie by going public and presumably thought every Promotor would be bending over backwards with mega money deals.
Sadly not.
I've absolutely no doubt there are interested parties, but there's a way of going about things and for a change his arrogance has bit him on the arse.
Spot on!!! - absolutely!!!
despite being a prat, he is sellable though - why the lack of interest by asllegedly?

Why does FW need to pay Small big bucks for a new promotional contract while it is unlikely other promoters will touch him as he is still under a managerial contract to alledgedly

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 Sep 2009, 18:36

Can he sell tickets?

Hagler2002 · Post by **Hagler2002** » 23 Sep 2009, 18:38

stujones wrote:Can he sell tickets?

I don't see why not, he is a man you love to hate with the right promotional push he could become a big attraction.

mickey1975 · Post by **mickey1975** » 24 Sep 2009, 03:16

Hagler2002 wrote:
stujones wrote:Can he sell tickets?
I don't see why not, he is a man you love to hate with the right promotional push he could become a big attraction.

he cant sell tickets,no-one is going to give him a big promotional "push".the best he can hope for is well paid mandatories,with 25% going to fwank!

gemmell · Post by **gemmell** » 24 Sep 2009, 13:16

caffrey wrote:
Horse wrote:It might sound unambitious but, I would like to see him attempt to avenge his loss to Bradley Pryce.
me too actually.Then maybe a WBO shot or at least a final eliminator

thats just a backward step for small..everybody knows he's alot better then pryce!! he needs to step up in class not down

he is in his late 20's not much time

gemmell · Post by **gemmell** » 24 Sep 2009, 13:19

Coco wrote:I didn't know Small is without a promoter? I presume his contract with FW has expired and they can't agree on new terms?

anthony small has said he doesn't want to work with fw..frank offered him another contract but small is going elsewhere..on buncey's boxing hour last week small said he has had several offers from promoters and has decided who he is going with and will announce it in a few weeks..i have a feeling it will be hatton or maloney

gemmell · Post by **gemmell** » 24 Sep 2009, 13:22

steve689 wrote:I know feck all about the situation but I suspected, as twenty six confirmed, he was expecting a big time deal after beating Hall and it never materialised. He must feel that he can manage himself and fight on the show of the highest bidder and all that but I think he should just stick with Warren. And by the sound of it, he doesn't have much choic anyway!

nope he was on buncey's boxing hour last week!!! and he said that he has had several offers and will announce who he is with in the next few weeks

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 24 Sep 2009, 14:51

He's had one offer to my knowledge, and fair enough he'll take it.
However I wonder seriously if that offer is now in jeopardy now that he has been told in no uncertain terms who his Manager is, and the existance of a Contract.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Sep 2009, 14:59

Just a question, please try not to turn this into a libel thread, but was Small's promotion contract with SN or FW. Anychance that might be a prob?

Anyway - I don't think Small needs to worry at the moment, he's been quite active - hopefully, the situation will resolve soon. No dates have been given (to my knowledge) on the Olympians and Khan who last fought on the same bill as Small's last fight.

twenty six · Post by **twenty six** » 24 Sep 2009, 15:03

I don't know Stu - but in honesty it's irrelevent.
Fact is Wazza IS his Manager, and he's contractually tied to him.

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