Classic American West Coast Boxing

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dagosd2000 wrote:Well I was wrong. It was a so so fight. To pretty unskilled guys. Jerry Quarry would have been champ today.
Jerry Quarry?

Heck, how about Duane Bobick . . .
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raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Well I was wrong. It was a so so fight. To pretty unskilled guys. Jerry Quarry would have been champ today.
Jerry Quarry?

Heck, how about Duane Bobick . . .
Jerry Quarry,Duane Bobick,Machen,Folley,Martin,Doug Jones,Mac Foster...the list could go on and on. These guys had trainers that could teach them how to take advantage of an opponent like Vitali.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Well I was wrong. It was a so so fight. To pretty unskilled guys. Jerry Quarry would have been champ today.
Jerry Quarry?

Heck, how about Duane Bobick . . .
Jerry Quarry,Duane Bobick,Machen,Folley,Martin,Doug Jones,Mac Foster...the list could go on and on. These guys had trainers that could teach them how to take advantage of an opponent like Vitali.
Here's the Annual Ring Ratings for 1974 (35 years ago):

Muhammad Ali, Champion

1. George Foreman
2. Joe Frazier
3. Ron Lyle
4. Oscar Bonavena
5. Joe Bugner
6. Ken Norton
7. Jerry Quarry
8. Chuck Wepner
9. Henry Clark
10. Larry Middleton

I think any of these guys would have beaten the guy I saw tonight. Its scary to imagine what Ron Lyle would have done to him. Foreman or Lyle would have put some serious hurt on the guy.
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raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Well I was wrong. It was a so so fight. To pretty unskilled guys. Jerry Quarry would have been champ today.
Jerry Quarry?

Heck, how about Duane Bobick . . .
Geery Cooney would've been Champ for sure. All that aside I thought Klitschko displayed a lot of class last night after the fight. He could have easily stuck it to Arreola but he chose instead to praise him. I honestly don't think that Vitali Klitschko could have hung with the greats of the past but I do give him credit for being the best of the bunch of heavies that are fighting today for whatever that's worth.

One good thing about Arreola fighting Vitali Klitschko is that I finally learned the difference between Vitali and Vladimir and I finally learned to spell Klitschko without looking it up.

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Randyman wrote: One good thing about Arreola fighting Vitali Klitschko is that I finally learned the difference between Vitali and Vladimir and I finally learned to spell Klitschko without looking it up.
Proof that every dark cloud has a silver lining. :wink: :wink: :TU: :TU:
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GOING IN CIRCLES

Rick Farris just gave me a call. I was sitting with Burke Emery at his bar,Champs. Yesterday at the CBHOF Banquet Brad Little gave me some flyers about a movie he put together on Art Hafey. Toy Bull Dog is the name of the film. There's going to be a showing in North Hollywood on the 3rd of October.

I asked Brad if he had interviewed Art's trainer and manager Burke Emery. He said that he had interviewed Burke at his bar on several dates. Funny,something said inside of me that that didn't gel. Burke is reluctant to sit down and be interviewed about anything. Oh,he'll talk boxing with you if he knows you,but he's kind of shy to speak in front of strangers.

I asked Burke about Brad Little and his series of interviews. Burke squinted his eyes and then came across with the answer that I expected.
"Nobody interviewed me about Art Hafey."

Now I'm wondering. What really happened? Burke sometimes goes around in circles. He has a good recall,but then after a few minutes he starts repeating himself. He'll ask a question that was just answered and now we're starting over.So now I don't know. But while we were talking,Burke was talking, in walked his girlfriend Shirley. Shirley keeps Burke in order. She's his watch dog. His protector.

I asked Shirley about the Little interviews. Now Shirley is squinting. She's looking at the flyer. Shirley shook her head and gave me back the paper. She told me if I wanted to talk she would be behind the bar. I didn't go. Maybe she had some information,but I wasn't curious.

I'm not going to North Hollywood to see this movie.If it pops up,I'll see it.If I want some information,I'll go back to Champ's and talk to Burke.Going around in circles sometmes is a fun ride.
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Rog, as is the case with all your paintings, you capture their mood and intensity with the eyes. They are piercing.

The Boston Strong Boy was the first American Superstar.

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raylawpc wrote:
Randyman wrote: One good thing about Arreola fighting Vitali Klitschko is that I finally learned the difference between Vitali and Vladimir and I finally learned to spell Klitschko without looking it up.
Proof that every dark cloud has a silver lining. :wink: :wink: :TU: :TU:
That's my motto "There's always a bright side"! :TU:

Randy

BTW, I'm drinking the German beer that Roger gave us. It's going to take a while before I can spell this one much less pronounce it. never the less It is excellent. Thank you Rog!
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Randyman wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Randyman wrote: One good thing about Arreola fighting Vitali Klitschko is that I finally learned the difference between Vitali and Vladimir and I finally learned to spell Klitschko without looking it up.
Proof that every dark cloud has a silver lining. :wink: :wink: :TU: :TU:
That's my motto "There's always a bright side"! :TU:

Randy

BTW, I'm drinking the German beer that Roger gave us. It's going to take a while before I can spell this one much less pronounce it. never the less It is excellent. Thank you Rog!
Randy,I'm talking to Rick right now.He drank the brew too.Glad you enjoyed the beer. Now we all need to get together and go to Big John's Tip Top Meats and eat some sausages and bratwursts and potato salad and German bread to go with it. :TU:
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I took this shot of Frankie Jr when he stood up after Don Fraser called his name. For some reason (probably because I'm no photographer) it came out a little blurred. Still, it's a great shot of Frankie.

Randy :KO:
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Thanks to Rick for taking this photo of Mando Muniz and I. Thanks to Mando too.
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dagosd2000 wrote: Randy,I'm talking to Rick right now.He drank the brew too.Glad you enjoyed the beer. Now we all need to get together and go to Big John's Tip Top Meats and eat some sausages and bratwursts and potato salad and German bread to go with it. :TU:
Sounds like a plan, maybe in a couple of weeks. :TU:

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From Rodolfo Gonzalez via Rick Farris

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Rick,

Here is a photo from Saturday's luncheon that was taken by Raymond Rodriquez. I thought you might like to post it on box.rec with the others from your group.

Me and Barbara with Jesse Reid and his wife, Cheryl. Jesse was my conditioning trainer for my Carmona fight. I was his first champion that he ever trained and he has had 23 champions that he trained.

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kikibalt wrote:From Rodolfo Gonzalez via Rick Farris

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Rick,

Here is a photo from Saturday's luncheon that was taken by Raymond Rodriquez. I thought you might like to post it on box.rec with the others from your group.

Me and Barbara with Jesse Reid and his wife, Cheryl. Jesse was my conditioning trainer for my Carmona fight. I was his first champion that he ever trained and he has had 23 champions that he trained.

El Gato

Gato . . .

Jessie Reid was a pretty rough middleweight when he turned pro at the Olympic in 1969.
I remember he was trained by Jackie McCoy and was like a bull in the ring. He only had a few fights before retiring and becoming a trainer.
I remember a bout he had with Al Stankie, another middleweight who made a bigger name for himself as a trainer.
His fight with Stankie started out hot and heavy, however, in the second round they banged heads and Reid suffered a cut that ended the fight.
The result was a technical draw.

In his last bout, he dropped a ten rounder to Rudy Robles and wisely turned to training boxers.
In this regard, he could not have had a greater mentor than Jackie McCoy.
I remember the night you KOed Carmona to win the WBC Lightweight title.
I remember Jessie Reid lifting you into the air after the fight was stopped.


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Ruben Olivares
Ruben Olivares
By Rick Farris


Starting my boxing career in Los Angeles during the mid 60's had it's advantages.
L.A. had always been a great fight town and produced some the best boxers to ever step into the ring.
At the time, promoter Aileen Eaton held weekly televised boxing shows at the Olympic Auditorium and George Parnassus staged major events at the Forum.
With several gyms packed with champions, contenders and talented local prospects, boxing in Los Angeles was doing very well.
In fact, from the mid-60's thru 70's Los Angeles was the boxing capitol of the world.

Of all the positive factors relating to boxing in Los Angeles, the one that I liked best was the city's close proximity to the Mexican border and it's strong Latin population.
Boxing is very popular in Mexico and this had a lot of influence on it's popularity in Southern California.
This gave Los Angeles boxing fans a chance to see some of the greatest Mexican boxers in history.
Not just any Mexican boxer was brought up from below the border to fight in L.A., only the very best.
If they were good enough to make a big name for themselves in Mexico they might have a chance to gain world wide exposure in the City of Angels.
This was mainly due to legendary promoter George Parnanssus.

After arriving in Los Angeles as a teenager in 1909, Parnassus became one of the biggest boxing promoters in history.
Growing up in Los Angeles the sharp young Greek learned the Spanish language and understood the Mexican culture.
He would use these talents to gain the respect of Mexican business men and forged an alliance of associates below the border.
These connections made it possible for Parnassus to showcase the great Mexican boxers before sell out crowds at the 18,000 seat Forum in Inglewood, California.

Thanks to George Parnassus, fighters such as Ruben Olivares, Jose Napoles, Carlos Zarate, Alfonso Zamora and many others made their U.S. debuts in Southern California.
The great thing for me was that I was there to see it and be a part of it.
As a professional between 1970-76, I fought from bantamweight to lightweight in Los Angeles and was able to find out exactly how good many of these great champions were first hand.

Ruben Olivares is the greatest bantamweight I ever knew, in recent decades only the great Manuel Ortiz and Eder Jofre equaled Olivares accomplishements at 118 pounds.
I didn't wait for a Mexican prospect to arrive in Los Angeles before learning about them. I made it a point to get my hands on all the information I could about what was going on in boxing below the border.
By the time a fighter reached Los Angeles, I knew more about him than most. One of these fighters was Ruben Olivares.

Reading about Olivares' career prior to his U.S. debut had me very excited about this guy. He was only 19 when he fought for the first time at the Forum in 1968. Less than a year later when he challenged Lionel Rose for the bantamweight title, Olivares entered the ring unbeaten in 49 fights with 47 KO's.
The only two men to last the distance with Olivares, German Bastidas and Felipe Gonzales, had been KO'ed in rematches. Rose became Ruben's 50th victim and 48th KO.

Olivares made his name at a time when there were many exceptional Mexican bantamweights.
Never before, or since, in boxing history have their been so many championship quality bantamweights active at the same time and all were from Mexico.
Several were veteran contenders such as Jesus Pimentel and Jose Medel.
There were also new kids on the block such as Chucho Castillo, Raphael Herrera, Rudolfo Martinez, Romeo Anaya and Rogelio Lara. However, Olivares was the best of the best.

No champion is perfect and Ruben had one imperfection that was responsible for just about every loss he suffered in his career.
With all due respect to the boxers who defeated Olivares, I have to say that many would not have done so without Ruben's help.
Olivares, for all of his blessings, had the curse of loving a good time. It's the curse that has ruined fighters thruout boxing history.

"Rock-a-bye Ruben", as he was known for putting so many opponents to sleep, was the original party animal.
Being a great boxing talent just came too easy for Olivares. I think it bored him after awhile and he would play around just to break up the monotony.

I worked as one of Olivares' sparring partners for his title defense against Jesus Pimentel in 1971.
When I first joined the Olivares camp, I was very aware of Ruben's awesome punching power and knew that I would get a taste of it sooner or later.
During the two weeks I worked with Ruben, I'd guess we sparred about 30 rounds or so.
I was a fast featherweight and Olivares' trainer, Cuyo Hernandez, liked Olivares to start with me for two or three rounds before boxing with the other sparring partners.
They wanted me to start fast and press the champion to prevent him from getting lazy and starting too slowly. I was Ruben's designated "wake-up" call.
I was aware that if I got careless with Olivares I might be the one in need of a wake-up call.

I did what I was supposed to do and was surprised that Olivares never once hammered me with one of those explosive punches.
In fact, I recall bloodying his nose with a crisp jab in one exchange and expected a major retaliation. However, it never happened.

After our first workout, I climbed out of the ring and one of Olivares' seconds pulled off my gloves.
I saw Hernandez cleaning the blood out of the champion's nose with a Q-tip and told the second that I was surprised how easy Ruben worked.
The trainer spoke very little English but answered, "He no go hard in gym, but in fight . . Ay ya ya"!

He wasn't telling me anything that I didn't already know. After seeing what Olivares had done to Lionel Rose a couple of years previous, I said a little prayer of thanks each time I stepped out of the ring following our workouts.

Ruben had a busy schedule. He would wake up and run each morning in Griffith Park, followed by breakfast. Then he would meet with the press or any publicity related personnel connected with the match. In the early afternoon we would workout at a gym set up in the large ballroom of the Elks Building near Wilshire Blvd. & Alvarado St. in downtown L.A. After the workouts I don't know exactly what Olivares did. I imagine he rested up for his night job, which generally took place in the bar at "La Fonda", a Mexican night club located around the corner from the Elks Building. After a busy day, it was margaritas and senioritas for Olivares.

Parnassus had moved his offices from the Alexandria Hotel to the Elks Bldg. the previous year, while the Alexandria was under renovation.
This was perfect for Olivares because he was within walking distance of his favorite L.A. hangout.

At the time, my career was being handled by Suey Welch. Welch (who had managed middleweight champ Gorilla Jones) was George Parnassus' best friend so I would often spend time in Parnassus' office. The list of Parnassus' daily guests read like a "Who's who" of boxing history.
Some of the greatest legends of the sport passed through George's office.

I made it a point to arrive early for my workouts so as I could be around when some of these guys showed up.
Legends such as Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Jimmy McLarnin, Enrique Bolanos, Mushy Callahan, Art Aragon, Lauro Salas, Lou Nova and many others would stop by to talk with Parnanssus about "The old days". I'd just sit quietly and soak in the stories and you wouldn't believe some of the things I heard.
I realized that I was sitting in the company of Royalty. Boxing Royalty.

It was quite an education for a 19-year-old and one I would not trade for anything.

However, much of the talk was about the bantamweight champion and his conditioning.
Jesus Pimentel was past his prime and not considered a threat to Olivares unless Olivares was not in proper shape.
Pimentel had knocked out 66 of his 72 opponents and was not to be taken lightly.

Olivares had lost the title just the previous year to Chucho Castillo after defeating Castillo in an earlier title defense.
Conditioning was the reason for Olivares' loss and after regaining the title from Castillo you'd think he'd have learned his lesson.
However, Olivares was just too much for Pimentel and stopped the hard punching challenger in the 11th round.

A few months later, Olivares would defend his title against another top Mexican bantam Rafael Herrera.
Herrera was another of the great young Mexican boxers at the time but not in Olivares' league when the champ was in shape.
However, Olivares was not in shape for this fight and Herrera took the title by stopping Ruben in the eighth round.

Olivares was having trouble maintaining 118 pounds with his lifestyle and decided to move up to the featherweight division.
Two years later he would win the WBA featherweight title but lose it to Alexis Arguello four months later in Los Angeles.
The following year he would knockout Bobby Chacon for the WBC featherweight title but only hold it for three months before losing to David Kotey.

Those of you who got to see Olivares in shape know what I mean when I say he is one of the greatest bantamweights in history.
The last time I saw Ruben was nearly twenty years ago while attending a boxing card at the Forum.
I was sitting ringside next to Dan Goossen and a friend when Olivares walked directly in front of us to say hello to one of the ringside officials.
I'd have never recognized him had I not been told who it was. The once proud champ was thin and dressed in blue jeans and a black leather jacket.
He flashed his gold tooth smile toward a few of the fans who screamed his name and waved at him. However, he was basically anonymous, and few recognized him.

Behind us a couple young punks were upset that he was blocking their view of the ring as he stood talking to the official.
"Sit down you little jerk before I come over and knock you out", shouted one of the drunk kids. Goossen and I turned and looked at each other and both smiled.

Those kids had no idea they were screaming at one of the most murderous punching champions in history. They were lucky they didn't find out the hard way.
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kikibalt wrote:CBHOF...9-26-09

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"The Denise Fraser Tio"
Karen Hernandez (Keyboard), Nate Light (Bass), Denise Fraser (Drums)
That trio was great. The kind of music I like to listen to when I go to a club.However,put them on American Idol and they wouldn't draw flies. Shows you what peoples' tastes in music have become. Their only taste is in their mouths. :lol:
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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Ruben Olivares
Ruben Olivares
By Rick Farris


Starting my boxing career in Los Angeles during the mid 60's had it's advantages.
L.A. had always been a great fight town and produced some the best boxers to ever step into the ring.
At the time, promoter Aileen Eaton held weekly televised boxing shows at the Olympic Auditorium and George Parnassus staged major events at the Forum.
With several gyms packed with champions, contenders and talented local prospects, boxing in Los Angeles was doing very well.
In fact, from the mid-60's thru 70's Los Angeles was the boxing capitol of the world.

Of all the positive factors relating to boxing in Los Angeles, the one that I liked best was the city's close proximity to the Mexican border and it's strong Latin population.
Boxing is very popular in Mexico and this had a lot of influence on it's popularity in Southern California.
This gave Los Angeles boxing fans a chance to see some of the greatest Mexican boxers in history.
Not just any Mexican boxer was brought up from below the border to fight in L.A., only the very best.
If they were good enough to make a big name for themselves in Mexico they might have a chance to gain world wide exposure in the City of Angels.
This was mainly due to legendary promoter George Parnanssus.

After arriving in Los Angeles as a teenager in 1909, Parnassus became one of the biggest boxing promoters in history.
Growing up in Los Angeles the sharp young Greek learned the Spanish language and understood the Mexican culture.
He would use these talents to gain the respect of Mexican business men and forged an alliance of associates below the border.
These connections made it possible for Parnassus to showcase the great Mexican boxers before sell out crowds at the 18,000 seat Forum in Inglewood, California.

Thanks to George Parnassus, fighters such as Ruben Olivares, Jose Napoles, Carlos Zarate, Alfonso Zamora and many others made their U.S. debuts in Southern California.
The great thing for me was that I was there to see it and be a part of it.
As a professional between 1970-76, I fought from bantamweight to lightweight in Los Angeles and was able to find out exactly how good many of these great champions were first hand.

Ruben Olivares is the greatest bantamweight I ever knew, in recent decades only the great Manuel Ortiz and Eder Jofre equaled Olivares accomplishements at 118 pounds.
I didn't wait for a Mexican prospect to arrive in Los Angeles before learning about them. I made it a point to get my hands on all the information I could about what was going on in boxing below the border.
By the time a fighter reached Los Angeles, I knew more about him than most. One of these fighters was Ruben Olivares.

Reading about Olivares' career prior to his U.S. debut had me very excited about this guy. He was only 19 when he fought for the first time at the Forum in 1968. Less than a year later when he challenged Lionel Rose for the bantamweight title, Olivares entered the ring unbeaten in 49 fights with 47 KO's.
The only two men to last the distance with Olivares, German Bastidas and Felipe Gonzales, had been KO'ed in rematches. Rose became Ruben's 50th victim and 48th KO.

Olivares made his name at a time when there were many exceptional Mexican bantamweights.
Never before, or since, in boxing history have their been so many championship quality bantamweights active at the same time and all were from Mexico.
Several were veteran contenders such as Jesus Pimentel and Jose Medel.
There were also new kids on the block such as Chucho Castillo, Raphael Herrera, Rudolfo Martinez, Romeo Anaya and Rogelio Lara. However, Olivares was the best of the best.

No champion is perfect and Ruben had one imperfection that was responsible for just about every loss he suffered in his career.
With all due respect to the boxers who defeated Olivares, I have to say that many would not have done so without Ruben's help.
Olivares, for all of his blessings, had the curse of loving a good time. It's the curse that has ruined fighters thruout boxing history.

"Rock-a-bye Ruben", as he was known for putting so many opponents to sleep, was the original party animal.
Being a great boxing talent just came too easy for Olivares. I think it bored him after awhile and he would play around just to break up the monotony.

I worked as one of Olivares' sparring partners for his title defense against Jesus Pimentel in 1971.
When I first joined the Olivares camp, I was very aware of Ruben's awesome punching power and knew that I would get a taste of it sooner or later.
During the two weeks I worked with Ruben, I'd guess we sparred about 30 rounds or so.
I was a fast featherweight and Olivares' trainer, Cuyo Hernandez, liked Olivares to start with me for two or three rounds before boxing with the other sparring partners.
They wanted me to start fast and press the champion to prevent him from getting lazy and starting too slowly. I was Ruben's designated "wake-up" call.
I was aware that if I got careless with Olivares I might be the one in need of a wake-up call.

I did what I was supposed to do and was surprised that Olivares never once hammered me with one of those explosive punches.
In fact, I recall bloodying his nose with a crisp jab in one exchange and expected a major retaliation. However, it never happened.

After our first workout, I climbed out of the ring and one of Olivares' seconds pulled off my gloves.
I saw Hernandez cleaning the blood out of the champion's nose with a Q-tip and told the second that I was surprised how easy Ruben worked.
The trainer spoke very little English but answered, "He no go hard in gym, but in fight . . Ay ya ya"!

He wasn't telling me anything that I didn't already know. After seeing what Olivares had done to Lionel Rose a couple of years previous, I said a little prayer of thanks each time I stepped out of the ring following our workouts.

Ruben had a busy schedule. He would wake up and run each morning in Griffith Park, followed by breakfast. Then he would meet with the press or any publicity related personnel connected with the match. In the early afternoon we would workout at a gym set up in the large ballroom of the Elks Building near Wilshire Blvd. & Alvarado St. in downtown L.A. After the workouts I don't know exactly what Olivares did. I imagine he rested up for his night job, which generally took place in the bar at "La Fonda", a Mexican night club located around the corner from the Elks Building. After a busy day, it was margaritas and senioritas for Olivares.

Parnassus had moved his offices from the Alexandria Hotel to the Elks Bldg. the previous year, while the Alexandria was under renovation.
This was perfect for Olivares because he was within walking distance of his favorite L.A. hangout.

At the time, my career was being handled by Suey Welch. Welch (who had managed middleweight champ Gorilla Jones) was George Parnassus' best friend so I would often spend time in Parnassus' office. The list of Parnassus' daily guests read like a "Who's who" of boxing history.
Some of the greatest legends of the sport passed through George's office.

I made it a point to arrive early for my workouts so as I could be around when some of these guys showed up.
Legends such as Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, Jimmy McLarnin, Enrique Bolanos, Mushy Callahan, Art Aragon, Lauro Salas, Lou Nova and many others would stop by to talk with Parnanssus about "The old days". I'd just sit quietly and soak in the stories and you wouldn't believe some of the things I heard.
I realized that I was sitting in the company of Royalty. Boxing Royalty.

It was quite an education for a 19-year-old and one I would not trade for anything.

However, much of the talk was about the bantamweight champion and his conditioning.
Jesus Pimentel was past his prime and not considered a threat to Olivares unless Olivares was not in proper shape.
Pimentel had knocked out 66 of his 72 opponents and was not to be taken lightly.

Olivares had lost the title just the previous year to Chucho Castillo after defeating Castillo in an earlier title defense.
Conditioning was the reason for Olivares' loss and after regaining the title from Castillo you'd think he'd have learned his lesson.
However, Olivares was just too much for Pimentel and stopped the hard punching challenger in the 11th round.

A few months later, Olivares would defend his title against another top Mexican bantam Rafael Herrera.
Herrera was another of the great young Mexican boxers at the time but not in Olivares' league when the champ was in shape.
However, Olivares was not in shape for this fight and Herrera took the title by stopping Ruben in the eighth round.

Olivares was having trouble maintaining 118 pounds with his lifestyle and decided to move up to the featherweight division.
Two years later he would win the WBA featherweight title but lose it to Alexis Arguello four months later in Los Angeles.
The following year he would knockout Bobby Chacon for the WBC featherweight title but only hold it for three months before losing to David Kotey.

Those of you who got to see Olivares in shape know what I mean when I say he is one of the greatest bantamweights in history.
The last time I saw Ruben was nearly twenty years ago while attending a boxing card at the Forum.
I was sitting ringside next to Dan Goossen and a friend when Olivares walked directly in front of us to say hello to one of the ringside officials.
I'd have never recognized him had I not been told who it was. The once proud champ was thin and dressed in blue jeans and a black leather jacket.
He flashed his gold tooth smile toward a few of the fans who screamed his name and waved at him. However, he was basically anonymous, and few recognized him.

Behind us a couple young punks were upset that he was blocking their view of the ring as he stood talking to the official.
"Sit down you little jerk before I come over and knock you out", shouted one of the drunk kids. Goossen and I turned and looked at each other and both smiled.

Those kids had no idea they were screaming at one of the most murderous punching champions in history. They were lucky they didn't find out the hard way.
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