Weight class correction

pinho347 · Post by **pinho347** » 01 Nov 2004, 16:36

The fighter Gilberto Reyes fights in the welterweight division and not light middleweight. I don't know why this was recently changed but it is incorrect. Another fighter that was changed was Kendall Holt which I believe fights in the same weight class.

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 01 Nov 2004, 17:17

pinho347 wrote:The fighter Gilberto Reyes fights in the welterweight division and not light middleweight. I don't know why this was recently changed but it is incorrect. Another fighter that was changed was Kendall Holt which I believe fights in the same weight class.

pinoh347

Gilberto Reyes boxed with 149 lbs in light middleweight last 2 bouts.

Kendall Holt last boxed against an opponent with 151.5 lbs in light middleweight.

Best regards
Martin

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 02 Nov 2004, 10:40

At 149 he shoould be listed as a welter.

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 02 Nov 2004, 10:50

delisa wrote:At 149 he shoould be listed as a welter.

Welterweight upper limit is 147 lbs.

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 02 Nov 2004, 14:57

Welterweight upper limit is 147 for a title fight. Why would a guy swea off the 2 pounds for non-title?

He is competing at the welterweight division, and 149 is not a bad weight for a weleterweight fighter.

worldwide · Post by **worldwide** » 02 Nov 2004, 15:50

C'mon computer rank!
We have been through this over and over. There even was a vote by the editors where the winning choice was to allow a few pounds over a "title fight" weight limit, for a boxer to still be considered within a certain division.

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 02 Nov 2004, 16:18

worldwide wrote:C'mon computer rank!
We have been through this over and over. There even was a vote by the editors where the winning choice was to allow a few pounds over a "title fight" weight limit, for a boxer to still be considered within a certain division.

worldwide,

Yes there was a decision.

But now the ratings were evaluated against division moves. This showed, ratings are improved by reduction of the rating points, if the boxer moves up the divisions.

Best results are yielded, if exact division weight limits are applied. This could be interpreted as a kind of punishment for weight limit violation.

So assignment to a division should comply with division weight limits.

Even more, the assignment should be determined by the division assignment of the bout. So if 2 boxers are involved in a bout and one boxer has a weight lower than the weight limit of the bout's division. Both boxers should be rated in the same division - the division of the heavier boxer.

This all results in ratings better matching real results in boxrec database.

Best regards
Martin

worldwide · Post by **worldwide** » 03 Nov 2004, 09:59

So why did we bother to vote then since we have to comply with the way you feel that things should be run anyways. I don't get it. John set up this vote, so who are you to overrule the decision. I give up.
Democracy is dead

robin · Post by **robin** » 03 Nov 2004, 11:11

What really pisses me off, is that inactive boxers are now fighting in weight divisions that did not exist in their era. I have spent four years cleaning these up, and the running of the new code screwed that flat. Being as this is your garbage Martin, start at Aaron Aardvaark and change them all to what they should be. I was under the impression that this was primarily a site for boxing records, NOT where the boxers HAVE to be ranked.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 03 Nov 2004, 12:46

This site is about boxing records, not ratings. Perhaps, we should get rid of the ratings. I agree with Robin, that it is wrong to have, for example, a Middleweight in the 20's listed as a Junior Middleweight, so that we can have ratings.

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 04 Nov 2004, 04:17

robin wrote:What really pisses me off, is that inactive boxers are now fighting in weight divisions that did not exist in their era. I have spent four years cleaning these up, and the running of the new code screwed that flat. Being as this is your garbage Martin, start at Aaron Aardvaark and change them all to what they should be. I was under the impression that this was primarily a site for boxing records, NOT where the boxers HAVE to be ranked.

robin

keep cool. Nobody has to reedit the division for inactive boxers again. The data are not lost.

I am sure, John has a saved version of the data and it is not much effort to restore the boxers' division as they were.

It even would be possible to restore the boxers' division from the bout information in their records.

I think, John is a too busy with the implementation of the new server hardware now - to make boxrec faster for all users.

So, just a little bit patience ...

Best regards
Martin

medic · Post by **medic** » 04 Nov 2004, 20:55

Most of you will acknowledge that the top fighter in one division may not be the top fighter in the next. Generally the divisions increase by 5 %. What has been done on site is that an increase in weight by as much as 2 1/2 % is not being reflected as fighters are "rated downward," to reflect where they are most likely seeking a title. However, if the competition actually takes place at 150 lbs, then calculating the results as if it occured at 147 is not likely to produce the most accurate results. Martin, I think is on the right track

The division in which a fighter wishes to be rated can be accomplished in other ways which will leave Martin with the most accurate data set.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 05 Nov 2004, 04:23

The problem is not active fighters, it's inactive fighters.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 05 Nov 2004, 05:22

Hardly a day goes by without me getting hassled by a trainer/manager regarding their boxers' allocated weight division. They don't care what the opponent weighed nor BoxRec's rating. They simply want their boxers be placed in their right division.

Yesterday I had Glenn Azar re Mick Shaw, who is a Lightweight
Today I had Craig Christian re Jozef McNamara (Light Welter), Khalid Ahmed (Welter) & Ben Cruz (Lightweight)

I changed them manually to keep them happy, but for how long?

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 05 Nov 2004, 05:26

Hardly a day goes by without me getting hassled by a trainer/manager regarding their boxers' allocated weight division. They don't care what the opponent weighed nor BoxRec's rating. They simply want their boxers be placed in their right division.

Yesterday I had Glenn Azar re Mick Shaw, who is a Lightweight
Today I had Craig Christian re Jozef McNamara (Light Welter), Khalid Ahmed (Welter) & Ben Cruz (Lightweight)

I changed them manually to keep them happy, but for how long?

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 05 Nov 2004, 06:41

AntonS wrote:Hardly a day goes by without me getting hassled by a trainer/manager regarding their boxers' allocated weight division. They don't care what the opponent weighed nor BoxRec's rating. They simply want their boxers be placed in their right division.

Yesterday I had Glenn Azar re Mick Shaw, who is a Lightweight
Today I had Craig Christian re Jozef McNamara (Light Welter), Khalid Ahmed (Welter) & Ben Cruz (Lightweight)

I changed them manually to keep them happy, but for how long?

AntonS

I just double checked this with the records. The new version of the rating program will rank all of these boxers in the division, you already moved them to. So this matches.

Best regards
Martin

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 05 Nov 2004, 06:44

Todd Hodgson · Post by **Todd Hodgson** » 05 Nov 2004, 12:20

computerrank wrote: But now the ratings were evaluated against division moves. This showed, ratings are improved by reduction of the rating points, if the boxer moves up the divisions.

Best results are yielded, if exact division weight limits are applied. This could be interpreted as a kind of punishment for weight limit violation.

So assignment to a division should comply with division weight limits.

Even more, the assignment should be determined by the division assignment of the bout. So if 2 boxers are involved in a bout and one boxer has a weight lower than the weight limit of the bout's division. Both boxers should be rated in the same division - the division of the heavier boxer.

This all results in ratings better matching real results in boxrec database.

Are you from the future?

robin · Post by **robin** » 05 Nov 2004, 13:39

I believe he would be better off working for the IRS.

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