When he was a cruiserweightboxerbob wrote:a prime holyfield that fought moorer????
not even when holyfield destroyed moorer in the rematch was evander anywhere near his prime
what makes evander a legend was that he beat some class fighters when he was way past his prime
holyfields prime was 88-91
D - Must mean Vitali is #4 on your list.Controversial wrote:Lewis is top 5 because he cleaned the division out, beat every fighter he fought and was fast, strong and skilful for such a big bloke.
The heavyweight division now is about as weak as it has ever been. Lewis fought in a harder era against better fighters than Vitali. I think Lewis went at the right time, he was 38, a multi millionaire and was losing the love for the sport. Plus there was no one else to fight. The best fighter Vitali has fought so far was Lewis and he beat him.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- Must mean Vitali is #4 on your list.Controversial wrote:Lewis is top 5 because he cleaned the division out, beat every fighter he fought and was fast, strong and skilful for such a big bloke.
At age 38 when Lewis had already scurried into retirement, Vitali just about finished cleaning out the division, setting a couple of new records, and had already sent Lewis and Byrd both fleeing for the hinterlands rather than risk rematches of Vitali's fluke injuries.
Lest they dare ever come out of hiding for their proper HIDING now........... 8)
- This forum must be as weak as it's ever been then if that's the best you can do.Controversial wrote:The heavyweight division now is about as weak as it has ever been. Lewis fought in a harder era against better fighters than Vitali. I think Lewis went at the right time, he was 38, a multi millionaire and was losing the love for the sport. Plus there was no one else to fight. The best fighter Vitali has fought so far was Lewis and he beat him.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- Must mean Vitali is #4 on your list.Controversial wrote:Lewis is top 5 because he cleaned the division out, beat every fighter he fought and was fast, strong and skilful for such a big bloke.
At age 38 when Lewis had already scurried into retirement, Vitali just about finished cleaning out the division, setting a couple of new records, and had already sent Lewis and Byrd both fleeing for the hinterlands rather than risk rematches of Vitali's fluke injuries.
Lest they dare ever come out of hiding for their proper HIDING now........... 8)
Oh yeah i take it all back. I was forgetting about Mahone (ha ha ha). Tucker had a 49-1 record and was on a 14 fight winning streak since losing to Tyson. I believe Tucker was floored for the first time in his career by Lewis (twice) and widely outpointed. Not a bad result if you ask me and I don't remember Lewis struggling like you hint at. Obviously not as good a result as Klitschko and Mahone though (ha ha)BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:
- This forum must be as weak as it's ever been then if that's the best you can do.
Vitali's first title, KO 2 over Hide, 31-1, only loss a good showing against Bowe before succumbing to the bigger man and a 90+ KO%. Lewis first title TKO 2 over Ruddock, 26-3-1, basically coming off a two massive beatings by Tyson. Hide the fresher fighter though neither accomplished much after these defeats.
Vitali defends against undefeated Mahone and then Sullivan before dropping his title to Byrd. Lewis defends against the elderly Tucker who was still viable with 49-1 record in a good fight that greatly tested Lewis, then Bruno who boxed his ears off before succumbing, and then Jackson who was Mahone/Sullivan quality, so that's one more defense against a slightly better class of opponent over all for Lewis before being dropped by McCall who is a vastly inferior boxer to Byrd. Lewis would later duck his Byrd mandatory, so their first title reigns are roughly equivalent in strength the way I see it.
Vitali then frozen out of matches with Mr. Field, Tyson, and the lot, including by Lewis himself until Lewis gives him short notice opportunity in 2003 after several lawsuits and broken contracts. Rather than get into comparisons of Lewis's longer 3 title comebacks, let's just addess your highlighted assertion above.
Gonna enjoy this walk in the park.!
- Now, dumpster, there you go again. Never pumped up Hide or Mahone. Straight up lineal title fight comparisons, they match up with Lewis' title comp.dempseyfire wrote:When BRR the clown needs to pump up the merits of Herbie Hide and Ed Mahone was quality opponents, the goose is throughly cooked.
So all of these top guys (Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson) were making huge money fighting each other but 'froze' out the guy who basically never left Germany and was being selled off to the gullable German public as 'HW champ' (WBO) defending against the likes of Mahone? Klitschko's big chance of becoming a major player was washed down the toilet when he quit vs the first true top 10 opponent he ever faced in Byrd, and by the time he was legitimate again, old Lennox beat him.
- Jumpin' Jeeper's Creepers, doc, when did I say Hide had a good performance against Bowe? Is the whole of this board illiterate?dr_devious wrote:BRR, how was Hide's performance against Bowe good? He got knocked down about 6 times, and 5 of those were from drafts of wind in the arena
- You're telling me about Tucker's 49-1 record after I already gave you the info and rated him as a viable contender?Controversial wrote:Tucker had a 49-1 record and was on a 14 fight winning streak since losing to Tyson. I believe Tucker was floored for the first time in his career by Lewis (twice) and widely outpointed. Not a bad result if you ask me and I don't remember Lewis struggling like you hint at. Obviously not as good a result as Klitschko and Mahone though (ha ha)
Lewis never ducked anyone. He beat everyone he fought including Vitali, a result that looks better as time goes on. There are several dangerous fighters Lewis fought, Tua, Ruddock and Golota (who was beating Bowe in both fights, certainly doing better than Hide ever managed) to name a few.
Its very easy to criticize fighters after they loose but at the time before they fought they were normally highly touted. As crap as Grant might look now be he was 30-0 going into the Lewis with some names on his resume yet Lewis made mincemeat of him. And Grant had already beat Sullivan who you seem to rate???
Certainly no different to Vitali fighting Chris Arreola if you ask me.
At the end of the day you cannot compare Lewis's career to Vitali's. The gulf in experience of opponents is huge.
I'd say Vitali was one of the best opponents Lewis fought. Considering Lewis was getting on a bit and already contemplating retirement I don't think him smashing Vitali's face into little pieces was a bad result.
When did I run down Hide, I actually like Hide? Your the one who brought him up, all I said was Golota was knocking Bowe from pillar to post and easily beating him. Hide was totally outclassed by Bowe. In my opinion Golota was a better heavyweight than Hide, end of.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- You're telling me about Tucker's 49-1 record after I already gave you the info and rated him as a viable contender?Controversial wrote:Tucker had a 49-1 record and was on a 14 fight winning streak since losing to Tyson. I believe Tucker was floored for the first time in his career by Lewis (twice) and widely outpointed. Not a bad result if you ask me and I don't remember Lewis struggling like you hint at. Obviously not as good a result as Klitschko and Mahone though (ha ha)
Lewis never ducked anyone. He beat everyone he fought including Vitali, a result that looks better as time goes on. There are several dangerous fighters Lewis fought, Tua, Ruddock and Golota (who was beating Bowe in both fights, certainly doing better than Hide ever managed) to name a few.
Its very easy to criticize fighters after they loose but at the time before they fought they were normally highly touted. As crap as Grant might look now be he was 30-0 going into the Lewis with some names on his resume yet Lewis made mincemeat of him. And Grant had already beat Sullivan who you seem to rate???
Certainly no different to Vitali fighting Chris Arreola if you ask me.
At the end of the day you cannot compare Lewis's career to Vitali's. The gulf in experience of opponents is huge.
I'd say Vitali was one of the best opponents Lewis fought. Considering Lewis was getting on a bit and already contemplating retirement I don't think him smashing Vitali's face into little pieces was a bad result.
What a bright lad you are, and yes, Lewis was lucky that Tucker was on shaky legs by then as Hide later exposed, the same Hide you and your ilk run down. Tucker had Lewis in a world of trouble in that bout and he needed those "KDs" to edge him. Take away those KD points and it's split decision city over a guy 6 yrs past his pomp with a litany of well known out of ring troubles. Lewis would not have beat the prime 29 yr old Tucker who gave Tyson his toughest test, he was lucky to put a dent in the shell.
At the start of their titles, their opponent class is similar as I have proven. In Vitali's 2nd run, 3rd actually, hey, just like Lennox! He destroyed Kirk Johnson far easier than the cautious Lewis would have, KOed the guy Lewis ducked, Sanders, and came back to beat the high Ring ranked Peter, Gomez, and Arreola. Imagine that Vitali could schedule Mr. Field or Bowe to prop up his name recognition for forum bozos for whom boxing passed by ages ago. Put your teeth in and plop on your wigs and watch him carve up a name for the holidays. Too bad they all ran out on him, the whole lot!
I take it you acquiesce that Vitali is the best Lewis has beaten, but you can't quite get a grip on how that alters your reality yet.
who's is the best fighter Vitali has fought and what was the result?BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:[
who's the best fighter Lewis faced and what was the result?
- Whoa, the dead man on the deck rings up the bells in the belfrey. It's a miracle in a tiny teapot.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't know why any of you even give this troll the time of day. He can't possibly believe the diarrhea that spews out of his keyboard.
Please stop feeding the troll. We are trying to get rid of him.Controversial wrote:who's is the best fighter Vitali has fought and what was the result?BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:[
who's the best fighter Lewis faced and what was the result?
This should be fun (ha ha ha ha)
- Straight up lineal comparison junior. Golota completely unrelated to Hide being a prime 27 in his full pomp vs Vitali compared to Tucker being 36 and 6yrs past his last title fight, well past his best. You lose again.Controversial wrote:When did I run down Hide, I actually like Hide? Your the one who brought him up, all I said was Golota was knocking Bowe from pillar to post and easily beating him. Hide was totally outclassed by Bowe. In my opinion Golota was a better heavyweight than Hide, end of.
- Only name you provided junior. Defaults to best. You lose againControversial wrote:I said Vitali was ONE of the better opponents, not the best. You need to rub your beady peepers and learn to read properly.
- You can't see, period. The assertion is Vitali is in a weak era, so I compared to Lewis first title comp which shows Lewis starts off with no better class than does Vitali. No surprise you have the attention span of a gnat. You lose againControversial wrote:I can't see what point your trying to make by comparing their title reigns? Lewis had retired so what point are you trying to make? The heavyweight scene today is piss poor and Vitali is the best of a pretty mediocre bunch. And the issue you keep missing is Lewis beat Vitali. You can compare who you like but at the end of the day Lewis won.
Controversial wrote:Why are you trying to make issue of Tuckers age, he was still a very good fighter. Ribalta, Norris and Donald were all 35+ and Corrie Sanders was 38 when Vitali fought them so I guess using your argument that must take the gloss from Vitali beating them as well.
- Keeping your bone I pummelled into my skull, Lewis no good, complete pants. KOed in 2 by a clubfighter. Ali hadn't beat anyone of note prior to Liston, Leon prior to Ali, Me like bone through skull, good clean fun!Controversial wrote:Excluding Lewis I would say Tucker was a better fighter than anyone Vitali has fought so far. Gomez was ko'ed in 1 round before fighting Vitali. Danny Williams is crap. Arreola hasn't actually beaten anyone of note. Ignoring Lewis the best name on Vitalis record is Samuel Peter and he isn't all that.
- Hah, hah, hah, as many stitches as seconds Lewis needed against Rahman in the first fight. Good clean fun!Controversial wrote: How many stitches did Vitali need again, 60 wasn't it?
- "Lewis: "I retire my WBC belt in advance of being stripped for not facing my mandatory just like I did my WBA and IBF belts. It was an easy decision to move to my purple velvet French chaise longue and box of Swiss bonbons"Controversial wrote:"KLITSCHKO: “I appreciate it, Lennox Lewis gave me a chance to prove my skills against the strongest fighter in the world, Lennox Lewis, the legend. He was very strong. I’ve never got (been hit with) as many punches as in the Lennox fight. It was not an easy fight"
Oh dear. I thought you would conveniently not answer this one. As I said before you can compare who you like but at the end of the day Lewis fought far many superiors fighters than Vitali has ever fought.Controversial wrote:who's is the best fighter Vitali has fought and what was the result?BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:[
who's the best fighter Lewis faced and what was the result?
This should be fun (ha ha ha ha)
- Not enough light in the entirety of the universe to fill the vacuum in your noggin.Controversial wrote: Who is the best fighter Vitali has fought and what was the result? As you obviously don't rate Lewis, who beat Vitali (duh), you can name anyone else you like. Please enlighten us.
Oh dear. You name Byrd who took the fight on one weeks notice and Vitali quit against him (oops)BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:- Not enough light in the entirety of the universe to fill the vacuum in your noggin.Controversial wrote: Who is the best fighter Vitali has fought and what was the result? As you obviously don't rate Lewis, who beat Vitali (duh), you can name anyone else you like. Please enlighten us.
Using your propeller powered thinking beanie with the bone through it, Lewis no good, KO 2 by clubfighter. Using my own thoughtful nuanced approach, Ibro has LL in the 12th position, a fair assessment, so anywhere close to that position is reasonable.
You didn't list any attributes you define best by. By legacy, Lewis, Byrd, Gomez. By ring performance, Sanders, Lewis, Arreola. By filling the coffers, Peter, Gomez, Sanders.
The ring performances of Corrie Sanders, who did not beat a single world class HW not named Klitschko are superior to the ring performances of Lennox Lewis. This is classic stuff.BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote:You didn't list any attributes you define best by. By legacy, Lewis, Byrd, Gomez. By ring performance, Sanders, Lewis, Arreola. By filling the coffers, Peter, Gomez, Sanders.