Henry Cooper and Muhammed Ali revisited. What if............

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Robinson wrote:I think what hurt Ali is that he did not take Cooper too seriously. Silly because
he was humbled by Henry. It is an ashame for Cooper that he cut so easily.
He didn't cut against Patterson, did he?

:D
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No Floyd destroyed him easily enough.
He also did not cut against a score of other fighters either.

I think Ali's jab is a real scythe like blow, where as Patterson's
shots while fast also have a battering effect to them.
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Partly owing to the speed of his fists, Patterson's raw hitting power is also often under-appreciated. It's usually over-looked, but he could whack.

Just ask Johansson's foot ;)
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He stepped wide alot which is why he got his legs tangled with other fighters
and I think in part this was why he was knocked down a bit by counters
while he was mid flurry, or wide stanced.

He was easily one of the fastest HWs for pure hand speed, when he
threw his bursts.
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I can't think of a faster-handed Heavyweight champ --- Ali, included. Perhaps Ali had a quicker straight one-two, but Patterson's combinations were, though sloppy at times, faster than anyone's, IMO.

Of course, Louis & Tyson were extremely quick with their gloves, too...
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I agree. When Patterson let go, it was an explosion. I would rate him at the
top of my list for fastest.
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I think because people see him as so fragile, too, they overlook his punching power. He was a surprisingly strong puncher --- no one-shot KO artist, really, but he could hurt you in ways an Ali or a Tunney could not.

Not the most vicious finisher, though.
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His footwork and over eagerness is what most likely cost him
with his frail chin and lack of potential as a top notch finisher.
Also the combinations he threw lacked the precision that he
could have had, he threw with more a reckless abandonment
at times. Tyson's combinations were a clear refinement on
Patterson.
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Robinson wrote:I agree. When Patterson let go, it was an explosion. I would rate him at the
top of my list for fastest.
Loved Floyd's leaping left hook.

Like a panther.
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Goodnight, Irene wrote:Partly owing to the speed of his fists, Patterson's raw hitting power is also often under-appreciated. It's usually over-looked, but he could whack.

Just ask Johansson's foot ;)
That was some punch and some scene. First man to regain.
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yancey wrote: That was some punch and some scene. First man to regain.
- That would be Dempsey.

Man was the first walking historical highlight reel and bookended his title run with two of the most concussively deadly combinations ever witnessed in boxing history.
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