Felix "Tito" Trinidad vs the all-time greats

[elmersalsa]

How bout KO artist Felix "Tito" Trinidad vs these guys of the past?

1. vs Henry Armstrong at 147lbs
2. vs Emile Griffith at 147lbs
3. vs Thomas Hearns at 154lbs...This weight class, to me, was Tito's best weight. How would he feared against the Hitman?

4. vs Carmen Basilio at 147lbs
5. vs Pipino Cuevas at 147lbs
6. vs Carlos Palomino at 147lbs
7. vs Vito Antuofermo at 160lbs
8. vs Tony Ayala at 154lbs
9. vs Davey Moore at 154lbs
10. vs Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles at 147lbs
11. vs Kid Gavilan at 147lbs
12. and lastly, vs Benny "Kid" Paret at 147lbs

[SaadOffTheDeck]

1) Tito has a chance in this one, Armstrong would be storming into his power. But I have to think a bloodied and bruised Hank takes a close dec.

2) Emile would bring out the concrete in Tito's footwork. Trinidad might stagger him somewhere along the way. But it would be closer to a shutout than it would be to close.

3) Hearns by early KO

4) Epic War, Carmen walks through hell to get inside and wins the fight inside to take a gory dec.

5) Trinidad gets off the deck to overpower Cuevas in 6.

6) Tito by pretty close dec. Power being the difference.

7) Trinidad would shred Vito's face and hold off a late rally for a dec.

8) Tito off the deck again for a stoppage win.

9) Trinidad by late stoppage

10) Napoles by wide dec, possibly late stoppage. Only chance for Tito is a cut.

11) Gavilan by wide decision. Trinidad can't handle guys with great footwork at this level.

12) Paret would be Boxing circles around him, before he got caught and stopped. Closest call for me. Kid had the goods to win this one convincingly, but I don't think he could handle many bombs.

[dempseyfire]

To be honest I don't see him beating any of them besides Moore

[bjermaine]

tito was pretty good at 147 and anyone that would stand in front of him would be in trouble. the hearns fight at 154 wouldn't last long either way. i'll pick hearns to land first. tito would have trouble with griffith imo but for the rest of the fighters listed, i think tito holds his own against them.

[Luckybattles]

Trinidad was never the same after being caught cheating.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Trinidad was never the same after being caught cheating.

- You could just more confidently say he was never the same as after Mr. Pops, or 9/11, or 9/12 for that matter.

You cannot prove he ever cheated. We have evidence on video of Mr. Pops' deliberate headbutts, a clear violation of the rules, so did you transpose the fighters and scenarios?

Tito would win half of these battles because he's Tito. Way to big and strong for Armstrong for example who's style was made for Tito. Hearns would box his ears off, but would he have the stamina down the stretch? And so on and so forth.

People forget that he was considered so formidable, that some thought his punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis. And sure, the reading challenged among you will bombard me with questions like, "Who ever said Tito would beat Lewis and take his belt." or "When did Tito challenge Lewis?"

[The Great John L]

To be honest I don't see him beating any of them besides Moore

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[BoxBuzz]

Trinidad was never the same after being caught cheating.

- You could just more confidently say he was never the same as after Mr. Pops, or 9/11, or 9/12 for that matter.

You cannot prove he ever cheated. We have evidence on video of Mr. Pops' deliberate headbutts, a clear violation of the rules, so did you transpose the fighters and scenarios?

Tito would win half of these battles because he's Tito. Way to big and strong for Armstrong for example who's style was made for Tito. Hearns would box his ears off, but would he have the stamina down the stretch? And so on and so forth.

People forget that he was considered so formidable, that some thought his punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis. And sure, the reading challenged among you will bombard me with questions like, "Who ever said Tito would beat Lewis and take his belt." or "When did Tito challenge Lewis?"

Wins half of these? Like a dice roll? Or are there specifics that go with this? Other than the "style made for Tito" Armstrong. Count me curious.

[Goodnight, Irene]

I fancy his chances against Cuevas, Ayala & Moore, but not the rest. Agree that his best weight was Jr. Middle, even though the bulk of his achievements were one division south.

[Ezzard]

He beats

Ayala

He has a chance with

Palomino
Cuevas
Moore
Paret

he loses to

Emile
Armstrong
Hearns
Antuofermo
Basilio
Napoles
Gavilan

[Jaywheel]

People forget that he was considered so formidable, that some thought his punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis. And sure, the reading challenged among you will bombard me with questions like, "Who ever said Tito would beat Lewis and take his belt." or "When did Tito challenge Lewis?"

Won't bombard you, just this one?

"Who the hell ever said Tito's punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis?"
Unless you are memory challenged, you should be able to provide us some names.

[The Great John L]

People forget that he was considered so formidable, that some thought his punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis. And sure, the reading challenged among you will bombard me with questions like, "Who ever said Tito would beat Lewis and take his belt." or "When did Tito challenge Lewis?"

Won't bombard you, just this one?

"Who the hell ever said Tito's punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis?"
Unless you are memory challenged, you should be able to provide us some names.

I don't know but it seems as though there are quite a few boxrec posters who almost seem to imply that LL could be felled by a stiff breeze, so I'm sure this statement could be attributed to a number of our very own posters.

Remember, there’s no IQ test required to get access to boxrec.

[Ezzard]

Lewis was KO'd once and stopped once.

The truth is, for some reason, he is unpopular with certain kinds of people. And they simply come out with it whenever his name is mentioned.

He was a great HW, but not the greatest. He could be knocked out for the count of 10. It happened once. McCall stopped him too. Thats it.

He fought a number of other KO artists and did not suffer a KD.

A better critique for me is how he didn't like fighting at a fast pace.

[The Great John L]

A better critique for me is how he didn't like fighting at a fast pace.

Of course, that's true of just about any HW of the past few decades.

[Mr E]

How bout KO artist Felix "Tito" Trinidad vs these guys of the past?

1. vs Henry Armstrong at 147lbs
2. vs Emile Griffith at 147lbs
3. vs Thomas Hearns at 154lbs...This weight class, to me, was Tito's best weight. How would he feared against the Hitman?

4. vs Carmen Basilio at 147lbs
5. vs Pipino Cuevas at 147lbs
6. vs Carlos Palomino at 147lbs
7. vs Vito Antuofermo at 160lbs
8. vs Tony Ayala at 154lbs
9. vs Davey Moore at 154lbs
10. vs Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles at 147lbs
11. vs Kid Gavilan at 147lbs
12. and lastly, vs Benny "Kid" Paret at 147lbs

At his best, Tito was a great welterweight. I see it like this:

Pick 'em v. Armstrong, who was a natural lightweight but freakishly talented.

Underdog to Griffith, whose cute style would give Tito trouble.

Favorite to come from behind, plant a couple on Hearns's always-vulnerable chin, and stop him down the stretch.

Pick 'em v. Basilio in a thriller that comes down to the wire.

KO's Cuevas early.

Soundly defeats Palomino, who takes a beating but goes the distance.

Outboxes Antoufermo over the route but never comes close to hurting him.

Withstands Ayala's early onslaught and knocks him out mid fight.

Dominates Moore, knocks him out around the 7th-8th round.

Loses badly to Mantequilla, though does hear the final bell.

Loses close decision to Kid Gavilan, whose style gives him problems.

Stops Kid Paret late.

[BoxBuzz]

People forget that he was considered so formidable, that some thought his punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis. And sure, the reading challenged among you will bombard me with questions like, "Who ever said Tito would beat Lewis and take his belt." or "When did Tito challenge Lewis?"

Won't bombard you, just this one?

"Who the hell ever said Tito's punch was powerful enough to KO Lennox Lewis?"
Unless you are memory challenged, you should be able to provide us some names.

I Found the guy who said it. Jake, the guy from Ace Hardware. You know the guy who greets you as you come in.

[elmersalsa]

I only see Tito beating Cuevas, maybe, that is a maybe. With the others, Tito loses.

[Idisagree]

I only see Tito beating Cuevas, maybe, that is a maybe. With the others, Tito loses.

Again why you don't give credit to DLH or Tito?

[Idisagree]

Armstrong was great and p4p should be ranked way above Tito and I mean way above him. The problem with this fight is IMO Tito would’ve been too big for him. Head to head I have to pick Tito on this one. All else equal then Armstrong by a mile.

Emile Griffith stops Tito

Thomas Hearns must KO Tito early otherwise Tito comes from behind and stops Hearns in the latter part of the fight.

I don’t see Basilio defeating Tito on this one. Basilio is hard to judge because he lost to way lesser fighters than Tito but gave Robinson all he can handle. Although, the Robinson that fought was past his prime, he was probably at 75% of his true ability. A prime Robinson I beleive would've have stopped Basilio. I’ll go with Tito 2 out 3 on this one. Actually I will give Graham a better chance at defeating Tito than Basilio. Basilio coming forward style will be his doom.

He KO Cuevas in around 5 rounds or less

He stops Palomino in come from behind in the 8th or 9th round. Palomino has no power to keep Tito of his back.

Antuofermo great fighter but not that much skill. I’ll go with Tito by UD.

Tony Ayala gets destroyed by Tito much like Vargas was, but earlier. Vargas was way better boxer than Ayala. Ayala had more power but he was not better than prime Vargas.

Moore gets destroyed by Trinidad. What did Moore ever did to deserve such high honors as a legend? Please this is crazy. Moore would not last five rounds in the ring with Tito. He gets destroyed by Duran and stops an over-the-hill way past his prime Benitez and that makes him a legend.

Mantequilla schools Tito 12 round to zero.

Gavilan wins a UD something like 9 rounds to three.

Tito stops Paret in around 5 rounds.

[mhagler91490]

How bout KO artist Felix "Tito" Trinidad vs these guys of the past?

1. vs Henry Armstrong at 147lbs
2. vs Emile Griffith at 147lbs
3. vs Thomas Hearns at 154lbs...This weight class, to me, was Tito's best weight. How would he feared against the Hitman?

4. vs Carmen Basilio at 147lbs
5. vs Pipino Cuevas at 147lbs
6. vs Carlos Palomino at 147lbs
7. vs Vito Antuofermo at 160lbs
8. vs Tony Ayala at 154lbs
9. vs Davey Moore at 154lbs
10. vs Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles at 147lbs
11. vs Kid Gavilan at 147lbs
12. and lastly, vs Benny "Kid" Paret at 147lbs

I think he would get stopped late in a close quarters brawl, he would shake but not drop Armstrong with his big shots but I think he would have trouble with the underrated upper body movement of Armstrong and not land with the regularity needed for him to win and eventually he would fold under the pressure, probably getting stopped along the ropes.

Henry Armstrong, late stoppage.
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I think Emile would outclass him badly, the movement, jab and all around speed would frustrate Trinidad badly and even when Griffith chose to fight on the inside that Felix would not be able to take control.

Emile Griffith, one sided UD.
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Both men at their best I think it would be a matter of who would land first, I think Hearns would of boxed him for a few rounds with Trinidad looking to land but he wouldn't effectively and eventually when Hearns gets settled he would start dropping right hands. I think he would of dropped Trinidad once at least but Trinidad would of rallied, winning a few rounds on aggression before Hearns takes over once again and takes a clear decision.

Tommy Hearns, clear decision.
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This would of been war, I see Trinidad winning most of the first half with his range but Basilio would work his way back over the second to drop a split decision. Carmen would look the worse for wear but would be fresher at the end of the fight.

Felix Trinidad, split decision.
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I think Cuevas would of been the harder puncher but Trinidad was the more effective puncher and would of gotten his punches in on Pipino more effectively and would of gotten him out of there around the eighth rounds.

Felix Trinidad, 8th round KO.
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This is an interesting fight, if you could pressure Palomino effectively he would not put much behind his jab and wouldn't look to go to the body, as well as he didn't have the mean streak that Felix had. Carlos would of lasted the distance but he would of dropped a wide decision to Trininad.

Felix Trinidad, wide decision.
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It is feasible that the awkwardness and toughness of Vito would of been enough to offset Tito and maybe win a close decision if he outworks him. I don't see that happening though, I think that Felix would of battered Vito as he comes forward and Auntefermo wouldn't have the punch to turn it around and would lose a one sided decision.

Felix Trinidad, wide decision.
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I think that Tony Ayala at his best would of overwhelmed Trinidad and would of stopped him late.

Tony Ayala, late stoppage.
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This would of been a good fight, both men would trade knockdowns early but I think Trinidad would of buckled down and eventually gotten Moore with a shot that he couldn't get up from, somewhere in the middle rounds.

Felix Trinidad, mid-round KO.
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Napoles would of schooled Trinidad, outside or inside he would of outclassed Tito and would of diffused his aggression, battered him and stopped him late.

Jose Napoles, late TKO.
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This would of been a close fight, Gavilan would of had been busier but his shots wouldn't of hurt Trinidad and I can see him getting rocked but not going down. It could go either way, I'll cop out and call it a draw.
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This would of been a war but I don't see Paret ever being able to really bully Trinidad and the power would of taken a toll on the brave Cuban, eventually wearing him down and winning the late rounds.

Felix Trinidad, clear UD.

[elmersalsa]

I only see Tito beating Cuevas, maybe, that is a maybe. With the others, Tito loses.

Again why you don't give credit to DLH or Tito?

Because they ain't as good as Puerto Ricans and Mexicans believe.

[Idisagree]

Ahhh, I get it, this is because they are not from whatever country you are from. So this is an ethnicity problem in your part. What I found funny is that in your view Cuevas, Palomino, Antuofermo, Ayala, and Moore are legends? Would you care to explain that bizarre notion?

[allworld80]

3. vs Thomas Hearns at 154lbs...This weight class, to me, was Tito's best weight.

154 his best weight? Why?

[elmersalsa]

Ahhh, I get it, this is because they are not from whatever country you are from. So this is an ethnicity problem in your part. What I found funny is that in your view Cuevas, Palomino, Antuofermo, Ayala, and Moore are legends? Would you care to explain that bizarre notion?

It ain't about whatever country I am from. The truth of the matter is that these guys were not as good as their legendary countrymen like Carlos Ortiz, Sixto Escobar, Wilfredo Gomez and Wilfred Benitez for Tito and Oscar was not as good as Vicente Saldivar, Salvador Sanchez, Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate and Julio Cesar Chavez.

Oh, I forgot, De La Hoya is not Mexican, he's a Chicano. Well, he does not stack well with Manuel Ortiz or Bobby Chacon...He was not that good.

[elmersalsa]

3. vs Thomas Hearns at 154lbs...This weight class, to me, was Tito's best weight.

154 his best weight? Why?

The KO that he propinated to Fernando Vargas said it all. Also the beating he gave to overrated David Reid. At one time, Terry Norris nor Shane Mosley wanted no part of Tito at 154lbs.