Terry D wrote:HughJohnson wrote:Terry D wrote:Gary Shaw looks terrified in the second-to-last photo. Is he having a Lacy flashback or did Froch whisper a menacing threat from the corner of his mouth?
Shaw was so scared, he changed into a black man and grew some dreads(last pic).
Seriously, it looked like Froch has whispered "I'm going to smoke this guy's boots" and Shaw is thinking 'Bloody Nora, he's right an' all!'.
I've always thought he looked big in the ring, but he reckons he doesnt put that much on after the weigh in. There was a photo on fightnews yesterday and he look super ripped, I'm guessing his body fat % is extremely low.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch is a monster. I met him after a fight once, and he's absolutely frigging huge. I'm 6' 2 1/2" and fifteen stone and Froch was much broader shouldered and much bigger all round than I was. I don't know how he makes 168, I really don't.
Taylor was a huge middleweight, and Froch looked a weight class bigger than him when they fought at 168.
now that you mention it what struck me at the Tatevosyan fight (only Froch fight I've been to) was how he seemed able to step across the ring in about 2 strides. Really cut it off that night.dbf wrote:I've always thought he looked big in the ring, but he reckons he doesnt put that much on after the weigh in. There was a photo on fightnews yesterday and he look super ripped, I'm guessing his body fat % is extremely low.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch is a monster. I met him after a fight once, and he's absolutely frigging huge. I'm 6' 2 1/2" and fifteen stone and Froch was much broader shouldered and much bigger all round than I was. I don't know how he makes 168, I really don't.
Taylor was a huge middleweight, and Froch looked a weight class bigger than him when they fought at 168.
I liked Gomez's post as well. No-one will be shocked if Dirrell outboxes Froch for the first 1-3 rounds, though, imo. It will be very interesting to see how nervous Dirrell is. He could burn up a lot of energy in the first few rounds.dbf wrote:Great post and good insight as always Gomez. Its good that McCraken and Froch are honest about the task in hand and behind the bold statements they have both done their homework. I too think Dirrell will win the first few rounds and maybe even embarrass Carl at times.G0mez wrote:Stylistically, it's been 3 tricky opponents on the spin for Froch.
I think (and so do the people around Froch think), that Dirrell could be the bizz.
I think i'd be more gutted if he turned out to be crap than him actually beating Froch.
He does have very fast, sharp punches. Not sure how concussive they are as his opponents have been stopped on their feet.
He did get floored heavy by a journeyman. The clip THAT I put up on youtube shows a glimpse. But the actual fight, you see Dirrell pretty shook up and he received a standing count in his corner before they let him sit down. The guy WAS a bum and with no skills or power to suggest that "That punch would have put anyone down" etc etc.
Froch does have a few heat seeking missiles that come quicker than his opponent thinks. He paws slowly with the jab at times, but the second and third shots rain in pretty fast and hard. If Dirrell starts backing up the wrong way, Froch will blast him over.
I can see Dirrell starting out with flashy bursts. A mixture of nerves and adrenaline will see him bouncing round a LOT in the first couple of rounds.
But Dirrell fails to work constantly. When he opens up he looks a million dollars, but he does seem to take his foot right off the gas until he can put another flashy burst together.
The thing is, Froch will hopefully weather those bursts and still be there to chase and unload his own bombs as Dirrell tries stay clear and re-energise.
As the fight wears on, Froch will get stronger and stronger. Dirrell's bursts will be sloppier and he will get caught more. He may start clinching, but Froch will throw him off and smell blood. Whether this is the 4th round or the 8th i dont know.
He is young at 25 and the late arrival in the UK has not seemingly had any impact. We know he's trained at altitude which will definitely benefit him.
We know he is hungry and this is his big chance, his opportunity etc etc - but Froch has worked very hard to get into this position and will be far hungrier than Dirrell.
Like every opponent Carl has ever faced, from Dodson to Taylor, Dirrell will have his way with Froch for spells in the beginning as Carl weighs him up and feels what he's got. Then he will then put his foot on the gas and start tearing lumps out of them.
Expect everyone to be shocked at Dirrell soundly outboxing Froch in the opener except for Froch and his corner.
I fully expect this will kick off by the third round and then it will be a war of attrition with Froch the betting favourite to come through anything Dirrell has to seal the deal by knockout.
But hopefully Carl use his jab to good effect, have a tighter defence and start putting on the pressure after 5 or 6 rounds. I think this will be tough fight for both and hope that Froch can prevail by UD.
DDthis post is wrong on so many levels.FLINT ISLAND wrote:agree with above comments
that Froch is a beast for a super middleweight
he would make Cazlaghe look like a wimp standing next to him at a weigh in
such a shame that Calzaghe fought the likes of Richie Woodall and Robin Reid ----------but not Carl Froch
I know you could say Froch is from a slightly different era
But Calzaghe could have fought him anytime from 2005 onwards - Froch wanted the chance to take a pop at the best Super Middleweight in the World
But Calzaghe decided he didnt want tough / low reward fights
he wanted easy / low reward fights against Peter Manfredo instead
dirrell has a better defence than pascal.forcefraser wrote:I don`t think Froch will hang about in this fight. He will have learned from the Taylor fight that a slow start puts his back against the wall.
With the fans behind him Frochy will steam in early and try to smoke his boots. It would be nice to see how dirrell handles an all out attack from Frock as in the Pascal fight.
Pascal has a Froch like chin, but by all accounts Dirrell does not.
both excellent fighters and a real danger.stujones wrote:Anyone else see a resemblance between Dirrell and Gerald McClellan.
Each to their own, but i dont think your post is what the majority think.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
JC would have jobbed Carl Froch and stopped him in 9 or less. The JC with brittle hands would have beaten Froch out of sight!! on points.
hitman_hatton1 wrote:i recommend all dirrell fans stay away from his twitter page.
all backslapping homie sh!t.
stujones wrote:Anyone else see a resemblance between Dirrell and Gerald McClellan.
here's just a sneak preview.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:hitman_hatton1 wrote:i recommend all dirrell fans stay away from his twitter page.
all backslapping homie sh!t.
remember that Lacy "homie" in the car anybody??........."La-cy Baby! La-cy!!".......
G0mez wrote:Each to their own, but i dont think your post is what the majority think.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
JC would have jobbed Carl Froch and stopped him in 9 or less. The JC with brittle hands would have beaten Froch out of sight!! on points.
Joe stopped nobody even close to world level - perhaps the previously beaten likes of Mitchell & Woodhall (whom were in their last ever fight against Joe.)
Hopkins, Jones, Reid, Kessler, Lacy all went 12 with Joe - and Joe was dropped twice and got out of jail with 2 x split decision wins. To suggest he'd whoop Froch or stop him 9 rounds is quite frankly...
The fact is, Calzaghe has lots of skills.. but he has never been a puncher and this 'bad hands' is a load of baloney. The stoppages dried up once he stepped it up, right at the end of his 14 year 'reign'.
The flash knockdown of an old Eubank, on the undercard of an undercard, is perhaps his career highlight for me. The rest of his career has been cleverly timed risks, combined with plenty of duds and mediocre 'former' champions beaten up for chump change at the end of their careers.
His risk fight against Hopkins backfired spectacularly and suddenly 'Pavlik is next' talk dried up very fast. Then he dumped 'the best manager in the world' (Joe's words) who'd got a deal agreed for Calzaghe vs Pavlik with Arum in place.
Then out of the blue, Roy Jones, who had been whoring himself from ringside at Marcus Beyer's comeback fight and elsewhere around the circuit for another payday, suddenly gets this crazy offer from Joe personally, who wants a 'name' to do a 12 round tango to top up his retirement nest egg.
He gives faded Roy an outrageous 50% share of the show, despite Roy never being a huge draw even in his pomp, just to get the deal wrapped up quickly.
Meanwhile Froch gets put as WBC #1 mandatory challenger in the morning and by noon, Calzaghe vacated !
Calzaghe vs Froch would have been the biggest domestic fight since Eubank vs Benn. It would have sold out the millenium easily and British TV would have gone wild to sign it. Unlike Kessler who brought 500 Danes, Froch would have brought 8,000 hardcore fans plus another 10,000+ casual fans from the surrounding East Midlands.
The Jones PPV bombed and not much money came out of it for either man. A Froch fight would have made him a fortune.
You could say "ah couldn't do the weight anymore" which is balls. He was 2lb under for Kessler. And despite vacting the WBC title he still clung onto his WBO for many months as he toyed with fighting on one more time.
Joe was obviously not as confident about his chances as you are mate !
Allot of this is simply incorrect. Firstly don't pretend Froch was the draw 1-2 years ago he is now, he wasnt, he wasnt pulling in many fans and he wasnt bringing a belt to the table. KEssler/Hopkins/Jones were big big fights. You can say the Jones PPV bombed, which it may have done but each man earned 5million guaranteedG0mez wrote:Each to their own, but i dont think your post is what the majority think.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
JC would have jobbed Carl Froch and stopped him in 9 or less. The JC with brittle hands would have beaten Froch out of sight!! on points.
Joe stopped nobody even close to world level - perhaps the previously beaten likes of Mitchell & Woodhall (whom were in their last ever fight against Joe.)
Hopkins, Jones, Reid, Kessler, Lacy all went 12 with Joe - and Joe was dropped twice and got out of jail with 2 x split decision wins. To suggest he'd whoop Froch or stop him 9 rounds is quite frankly...
The fact is, Calzaghe has lots of skills.. but he has never been a puncher and this 'bad hands' is a load of baloney. The stoppages dried up once he stepped it up, right at the end of his 14 year 'reign'.
The flash knockdown of an old Eubank, on the undercard of an undercard, is perhaps his career highlight for me. The rest of his career has been cleverly timed risks, combined with plenty of duds and mediocre 'former' champions beaten up for chump change at the end of their careers.
His risk fight against Hopkins backfired spectacularly and suddenly 'Pavlik is next' talk dried up very fast. Then he dumped 'the best manager in the world' (Joe's words) who'd got a deal agreed for Calzaghe vs Pavlik with Arum in place.
Then out of the blue, Roy Jones, who had been whoring himself from ringside at Marcus Beyer's comeback fight and elsewhere around the circuit for another payday, suddenly gets this crazy offer from Joe personally, who wants a 'name' to do a 12 round tango to top up his retirement nest egg.
He gives faded Roy an outrageous 50% share of the show, despite Roy never being a huge draw even in his pomp, just to get the deal wrapped up quickly.
Meanwhile Froch gets put as WBC #1 mandatory challenger in the morning and by noon, Calzaghe vacated !
Calzaghe vs Froch would have been the biggest domestic fight since Eubank vs Benn. It would have sold out the millenium easily and British TV would have gone wild to sign it. Unlike Kessler who brought 500 Danes, Froch would have brought 8,000 hardcore fans plus another 10,000+ casual fans from the surrounding East Midlands.
The Jones PPV bombed and not much money came out of it for either man. A Froch fight would have made him a fortune.
You could say "ah couldn't do the weight anymore" which is balls. He was 2lb under for Kessler. And despite vacting the WBC title he still clung onto his WBO for many months as he toyed with fighting on one more time.
Joe was obviously not as confident about his chances as you are mate !
Brilliant post with some very good points.G0mez wrote:Each to their own, but i dont think your post is what the majority think.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
JC would have jobbed Carl Froch and stopped him in 9 or less. The JC with brittle hands would have beaten Froch out of sight!! on points.
Joe stopped nobody even close to world level - perhaps the previously beaten likes of Mitchell & Woodhall (whom were in their last ever fight against Joe.)
Hopkins, Jones, Reid, Kessler, Lacy all went 12 with Joe - and Joe was dropped twice and got out of jail with 2 x split decision wins. To suggest he'd whoop Froch or stop him 9 rounds is quite frankly...
The fact is, Calzaghe has lots of skills.. but he has never been a puncher and this 'bad hands' is a load of baloney. The stoppages dried up once he stepped it up, right at the end of his 14 year 'reign'.
The flash knockdown of an old Eubank, on the undercard of an undercard, is perhaps his career highlight for me. The rest of his career has been cleverly timed risks, combined with plenty of duds and mediocre 'former' champions beaten up for chump change at the end of their careers.
His risk fight against Hopkins backfired spectacularly and suddenly 'Pavlik is next' talk dried up very fast. Then he dumped 'the best manager in the world' (Joe's words) who'd got a deal agreed for Calzaghe vs Pavlik with Arum in place.
Then out of the blue, Roy Jones, who had been whoring himself from ringside at Marcus Beyer's comeback fight and elsewhere around the circuit for another payday, suddenly gets this crazy offer from Joe personally, who wants a 'name' to do a 12 round tango to top up his retirement nest egg.
He gives faded Roy an outrageous 50% share of the show, despite Roy never being a huge draw even in his pomp, just to get the deal wrapped up quickly.
Meanwhile Froch gets put as WBC #1 mandatory challenger in the morning and by noon, Calzaghe vacated !
Calzaghe vs Froch would have been the biggest domestic fight since Eubank vs Benn. It would have sold out the millenium easily and British TV would have gone wild to sign it. Unlike Kessler who brought 500 Danes, Froch would have brought 8,000 hardcore fans plus another 10,000+ casual fans from the surrounding East Midlands.
The Jones PPV bombed and not much money came out of it for either man. A Froch fight would have made him a fortune.
You could say "ah couldn't do the weight anymore" which is balls. He was 2lb under for Kessler. And despite vacting the WBC title he still clung onto his WBO for many months as he toyed with fighting on one more time.
Joe was obviously not as confident about his chances as you are mate !
Ageed. A good post.teddy007 wrote:Brilliant post with some very good points.G0mez wrote:Each to their own, but i dont think your post is what the majority think.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
JC would have jobbed Carl Froch and stopped him in 9 or less. The JC with brittle hands would have beaten Froch out of sight!! on points.
Joe stopped nobody even close to world level - perhaps the previously beaten likes of Mitchell & Woodhall (whom were in their last ever fight against Joe.)
Hopkins, Jones, Reid, Kessler, Lacy all went 12 with Joe - and Joe was dropped twice and got out of jail with 2 x split decision wins. To suggest he'd whoop Froch or stop him 9 rounds is quite frankly...
The fact is, Calzaghe has lots of skills.. but he has never been a puncher and this 'bad hands' is a load of baloney. The stoppages dried up once he stepped it up, right at the end of his 14 year 'reign'.
The flash knockdown of an old Eubank, on the undercard of an undercard, is perhaps his career highlight for me. The rest of his career has been cleverly timed risks, combined with plenty of duds and mediocre 'former' champions beaten up for chump change at the end of their careers.
His risk fight against Hopkins backfired spectacularly and suddenly 'Pavlik is next' talk dried up very fast. Then he dumped 'the best manager in the world' (Joe's words) who'd got a deal agreed for Calzaghe vs Pavlik with Arum in place.
Then out of the blue, Roy Jones, who had been whoring himself from ringside at Marcus Beyer's comeback fight and elsewhere around the circuit for another payday, suddenly gets this crazy offer from Joe personally, who wants a 'name' to do a 12 round tango to top up his retirement nest egg.
He gives faded Roy an outrageous 50% share of the show, despite Roy never being a huge draw even in his pomp, just to get the deal wrapped up quickly.
Meanwhile Froch gets put as WBC #1 mandatory challenger in the morning and by noon, Calzaghe vacated !
Calzaghe vs Froch would have been the biggest domestic fight since Eubank vs Benn. It would have sold out the millenium easily and British TV would have gone wild to sign it. Unlike Kessler who brought 500 Danes, Froch would have brought 8,000 hardcore fans plus another 10,000+ casual fans from the surrounding East Midlands.
The Jones PPV bombed and not much money came out of it for either man. A Froch fight would have made him a fortune.
You could say "ah couldn't do the weight anymore" which is balls. He was 2lb under for Kessler. And despite vacting the WBC title he still clung onto his WBO for many months as he toyed with fighting on one more time.
Joe was obviously not as confident about his chances as you are mate !
Twinkle - Froch is always on or somewhere around the weight - he lives a very healthy lifestyle and even when he is not fighting he hardly drinks - when he does its the odd one here and there but nothing to get him anywhere remotely p*ssed. He is also almost obsessive on eating the right food which is why making the Super Middleweight limit is not normally a problem to him.Twinkle Toes wrote:Froch looks a little gaunt to me.
Another excellent post GomezG0mez wrote:Each to their own, but i dont think your post is what the majority think.NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:
JC would have jobbed Carl Froch and stopped him in 9 or less. The JC with brittle hands would have beaten Froch out of sight!! on points.
Joe stopped nobody even close to world level - perhaps the previously beaten likes of Mitchell & Woodhall (whom were in their last ever fight against Joe.)
Hopkins, Jones, Reid, Kessler, Lacy all went 12 with Joe - and Joe was dropped twice and got out of jail with 2 x split decision wins. To suggest he'd whoop Froch or stop him 9 rounds is quite frankly...
The fact is, Calzaghe has lots of skills.. but he has never been a puncher and this 'bad hands' is a load of baloney. The stoppages dried up once he stepped it up, right at the end of his 14 year 'reign'.
The flash knockdown of an old Eubank, on the undercard of an undercard, is perhaps his career highlight for me. The rest of his career has been cleverly timed risks, combined with plenty of duds and mediocre 'former' champions beaten up for chump change at the end of their careers.
His risk fight against Hopkins backfired spectacularly and suddenly 'Pavlik is next' talk dried up very fast. Then he dumped 'the best manager in the world' (Joe's words) who'd got a deal agreed for Calzaghe vs Pavlik with Arum in place.
Then out of the blue, Roy Jones, who had been whoring himself from ringside at Marcus Beyer's comeback fight and elsewhere around the circuit for another payday, suddenly gets this crazy offer from Joe personally, who wants a 'name' to do a 12 round tango to top up his retirement nest egg.
He gives faded Roy an outrageous 50% share of the show, despite Roy never being a huge draw even in his pomp, just to get the deal wrapped up quickly.
Meanwhile Froch gets put as WBC #1 mandatory challenger in the morning and by noon, Calzaghe vacated !
Calzaghe vs Froch would have been the biggest domestic fight since Eubank vs Benn. It would have sold out the millenium easily and British TV would have gone wild to sign it. Unlike Kessler who brought 500 Danes, Froch would have brought 8,000 hardcore fans plus another 10,000+ casual fans from the surrounding East Midlands.
The Jones PPV bombed and not much money came out of it for either man. A Froch fight would have made him a fortune.
You could say "ah couldn't do the weight anymore" which is balls. He was 2lb under for Kessler. And despite vacting the WBC title he still clung onto his WBO for many months as he toyed with fighting on one more time.
Joe was obviously not as confident about his chances as you are mate !