12.03.2005 Brewster vs Golota

Tomaskus · Post by **Tomaskus** » 17 Dec 2004, 07:37

Golota the best. Golota win.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 17 Dec 2004, 07:41

Brewster is bum, but Golota even bigger bum.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 17 Dec 2004, 07:42

surely its got to be third time lucky for Andrew

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Dec 2004, 07:48

It's entirely within Golota's hands to win this one, Brewster has little going for him. However, it's possible that Golota will pull out a mediocre performance and find a way to lose. King must want rid of Brewster.

Christ, King is giving Golota every conceivable chance to get his hands on a title though isn't he. First Byrd, then Ruiz, now Brewster.

Golota v Klitchsko could be a massive fight. I think Golota would get pummelled, he would start hyperventilating as soon as he saw Vitali, but it would be a big fight...

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 07:58

it´s a shame for this sport. how can we get rid of Don King? all of these organisations are so fornicating corrupt. i hate that.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Dec 2004, 08:07

To be honest, what other matchups are there to be made?

Say what you want about DK, but he's put together most of the biggest matchups in history. I wish every promoter 'ruined' the sport like Don.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 08:13

i hope Santa Clause brings me a Kalachnikov for Don King. there are a lot of guys who deserved a title foght in the WBO who are ranked.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 17 Dec 2004, 09:41

Well unless he blows it that is Danny's best chance (only?) of winning a world title gone.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Dec 2004, 09:56

BubiScholz wrote:i hope Santa Clause brings me a Kalachnikov for Don King. there are a lot of guys who deserved a title foght in the WBO who are ranked.

Yes Bubi, but nobody outside of Europe is interested in them, you've got to see this as a business.

If it weren't a business, there is no way Danny would ever have got his shot against Vitali, Tyson was top 15 at best when Danny beat him, it was a creditable win, very impressive in it's nature, but didn't make him a top 10 fighter. I don't think Tyson was shot by any means, but he's not the fighter he was by any stretch.

I know it seems unfair Bubi, but you've got to realise that with the cable networks being centred in the US, and the most money being generated from there for PPV, only fighters with crossover appeal are going to get their shot at the big titles. The sanctioning bodies are as much if not more to blame than anyone, promoters know that sanctioning bodies want nice fat fees for title fights, and so the rating reflect fighters who are not just the best, but have the most marquee value.

This is why the WBO has always been so eurocentric, it gave European fighters a crack at the whip, and European promoters have worked with them over the years.

It's far from ideal, but to blame Don King is childish, blame the sanctioning bodies which accomodate him. If it wasn't for their greed, the system would not be able to perpetuate.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 10:21

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:i hope Santa Clause brings me a Kalachnikov for Don King. there are a lot of guys who deserved a title foght in the WBO who are ranked.
Yes Bubi, but nobody outside of Europe is interested in them, you've got to see this as a business.

If it weren't a business, there is no way Danny would ever have got his shot against Vitali, Tyson was top 15 at best when Danny beat him, it was a creditable win, very impressive in it's nature, but didn't make him a top 10 fighter. I don't think Tyson was shot by any means, but he's not the fighter he was by any stretch.

I know it seems unfair Bubi, but you've got to realise that with the cable networks being centred in the US, and the most money being generated from there for PPV, only fighters with crossover appeal are going to get their shot at the big titles. The sanctioning bodies are as much if not more to blame than anyone, promoters know that sanctioning bodies want nice fat fees for title fights, and so the rating reflect fighters who are not just the best, but have the most marquee value.

This is why the WBO has always been so eurocentric, it gave European fighters a crack at the whip, and European promoters have worked with them over the years.

It's far from ideal, but to blame Don King is childish, blame the sanctioning bodies which accomodate him. If it wasn't for their greed, the system would not be able to perpetuate.

i know James, but i hate the system. it makes me sad sometimes :(

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Dec 2004, 10:36

BubiScholz wrote:i hope Santa Clause brings me a Kalachnikov for Don King. there are a lot of guys who deserved a title foght in the WBO who are ranked.

What like Kali Meehan you mean?

The WBO is pretty lame. All are inept to one degree or another but some of the fighters ranked by the WBO based on long unbeaten records versus Lithuanian farmers and African camel herders is simply ridiculous.

1. James Toney USA
2. Hasim Rahman USA
3. Lance Whitaker (NABO) USA
4. Wladimir Klitschko UKR
5. Monte Barret USA
6. Dominick Guinn USA
7. Luan Krasniqi (EBU) GER
8. Corrie Sanders SA
9. Owen Beck JAM
10. Ray Austin USA
11.Timo Hoffman (Int-Cont) GER
12. Sinan Samil Sam GER
13. Yanqui Diaz CUB
14. Sultan Ibragimov (Asia-Pacific) RUS
15. Kendrick Releford USA

Some real superstars there.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Dec 2004, 10:44

Yep, what a crock of shite that list is.

I mean for a start, how is Toney #1, based on beating Holy and man-boobs?

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:00

Have you also noticed Meehan was mandatory and is now not in top 15?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:04

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yep, what a crock of shite that list is.

I mean for a start, how is Toney #1, based on beating Holy and man-boobs?

fornicate, Toney and Rahman are 1 and 2 on all other rankings, too. Krasniqi and Sam would easily win vs the foul Pole and Brewster. King knows that. this is why he brought Golota in. i know you hate them both but this is true. Golota didn´t win vs anyone special. he is only famous for losing title fights and fouling. come on. other guys struggle for years to claim the rankings.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:05

DavidPayne wrote:Have you also noticed Meehan was mandatory and is now not in top 15?

Meehan was shit. they ranked him #15 before the Brewster-fight. after beating some aboriginees.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:06

DavidPayne wrote:Have you also noticed Meehan was mandatory and is now not in top 15?

Yes he's served his purpose as a supposedly easy defence for Brewster, so he could then be lined up for the winner or loser of Byrd v Golota.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:14

Is this confirmed, or still at the rumour stage?

Golota should win this, regardless of his mental condition. Brewster is pants, it's a miracle he's still the champion. King must really want Golota as one of his champions, because he's gradually lowered the standard of champ he goes in against.

Oh, and that list is just awful. Forgive my ignorance, but who's Releford?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:18

glittermonkey wrote:Is this confirmed, or still at the rumour stage?

Golota should win this, regardless of his mental condition. Brewster is pants, it's a miracle he's still the champion. King must really want Golota as one of his champions, because he's gradually lowered the standard of champ he goes in against.

Oh, and that list is just awful. Forgive my ignorance, but who's Releford?

He makes the best blow jobs for Don King

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:38

Releford beat walking punch-bag Garing Lane over ten at the weekend.

Other than that I now nowt. Or is he the guy Toney fought recently who'd moved up from Cruiserweight - similar name....if it wasn't.

glittermonkey · Post by **glittermonkey** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:46

Toney fought Rydell Booker. Close in name, probably close in ability too.

Looking down Releford's record there are a few fights against Lane types, some of which he's managed to lose. It's certainly not the record of a fighter in the top fifteen. No matter how bad the division is at the moment.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:49

Luan Krasniqi deserves this title fight most. he has ben doing a brilliant job the last 2 years. i hate this boxing-mafia.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:56

glittermonkey wrote:Toney fought Rydell Booker. Close in name, probably close in ability too.

Looking down Releford's record there are a few fights against Lane types, some of which he's managed to lose. It's certainly not the record of a fighter in the top fifteen. No matter how bad the division is at the moment.

Yep some dross on there - the Castillo result is a stand out.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Dec 2004, 11:57

glittermonkey wrote:Toney fought Rydell Booker. Close in name, probably close in ability too.

Looking down Releford's record there are a few fights against Lane types, some of which he's managed to lose. It's certainly not the record of a fighter in the top fifteen. No matter how bad the division is at the moment.

Yep some dross on there - the Castillo result is a stand out.