Hatton's win over Tszyu - best British victory in 50+ years

[opticald]

Where does Vince Phillips win over Tszyu rate then? Tszyu was younger, better and didn't have 3 rounds in 2 years, or wasn't coming off a career threatning injury. He also wasn't 36, and didn't intentionally wallop Tszyu with a low blow.

[crusader]

Where does Vince Phillips win over Tszyu rate then? Tszyu was younger, better and didn't have 3 rounds in 2 years, or wasn't coming off a career threatning injury. He also wasn't 36, and didn't intentionally wallop Tszyu with a low blow.

Good point

[Coco]

Where does Vince Phillips win over Tszyu rate then? Tszyu was younger, better and didn't have 3 rounds in 2 years, or wasn't coming off a career threatning injury. He also wasn't 36, and didn't intentionally wallop Tszyu with a low blow.

Didn't realise Phillips was British

[opticald]

if he was, his victory over tszyu would rate higher than hattons. correct?

[gasman]

Ok, just to add a little more detail on were Schulberg might be coming from when he makes this bold statement about Hatton's wins over Tszyu.

It is clear that Schulberg holds Tszyu in the highest regard, "Tszyu, at his best belongs with the top junior welters of all time".

"His has been a distinguished career, beginning in 1992, with only one previous loss, to Vince Philips, eight years ago, and with dramatic knockouts of top contenders Sharma Mitchell and Zab Judah. He is a gentleman and a scholar of boxing, with a memorable right hand, a nifty left and a pleasing boxer-puncher style.

I sense that reading Schulbergs thoughts on this, he is impressed (surprised) that Hatton, beat Tszyu, not by KO or on points, but retired Tszyu on his stool. "Watching Kostya's trainer ask his man if he wanted to continue and then, taking passivity for an answer, tell the referree, "No more, no more"....the long-time king of the 140-pounders, the Russian-Australian Kostya Tszyu, give up on his stool in exhausted defeat after 11 gruelling rounds with the underdog local boy, Ricky Hatton, replacing him as the IBF junior welterweight champion of the world, I realised once again why the dean of boxing writers, Hugh McIlvanney, calls boxing 'the hardest game'.

[observer1]

Calzaghe v kessler, if kessler wins the super six, it will be undeniable in my opinion.

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[Autobarn]

No it isnt, Tyszu was past prime and not that good in the first place. He was good but he wasnt as good as Curry, Holyfield or McClellan even if he beat a good few B level fighters along the way. Even Lewis's wins over Tyson, Tua, Rudduck are comparable and all underrated. Buchanon-Laguana probably rates higher too. What about Eubank-Benn 1? Eubank-Watson 2 aswell was a great win. Probably some I've forgot

an undisputed champion with many defenses - not that good? your comment on tszyu is insane. unless you are joking, which i suspect you are.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

No it isnt, Tyszu was past prime and not that good in the first place. He was good but he wasnt as good as Curry, Holyfield or McClellan even if he beat a good few B level fighters along the way. Even Lewis's wins over Tyson, Tua, Rudduck are comparable and all underrated. Buchanon-Laguana probably rates higher too. What about Eubank-Benn 1? Eubank-Watson 2 aswell was a great win. Probably some I've forgot

an undisputed champion with many defenses - not that good? your comment on tszyu is insane. unless you are joking, which i suspect you are.

No Tyszu isnt as good as a Holyfield, Curry or McClellan. Who's Tyszu's best win? Mitchell whos a Stevie Johnston left over? Judah who every top fighter beat? Hurtado who Whitaker had previously ruined? Ukral who was an ok Euro champ? Chavez who was shot to pieces?

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

No it isnt, Tyszu was past prime and not that good in the first place. He was good but he wasnt as good as Curry, Holyfield or McClellan even if he beat a good few B level fighters along the way. Even Lewis's wins over Tyson, Tua, Rudduck are comparable and all underrated. Buchanon-Laguana probably rates higher too. What about Eubank-Benn 1? Eubank-Watson 2 aswell was a great win. Probably some I've forgot

an undisputed champion with many defenses - not that good? your comment on tszyu is insane. unless you are joking, which i suspect you are.

Yes Julio Cesar Chavez is one of the worst fighters i've seen, no courage in that fighter!

Chavez was 100 years old when he fought Tyszu

[banjo]

Actually he was 38 still 15 years passed his best though

[Adamj1987]

Actually he was 38 still 15 years passed his best though

indeed

[Autobarn]

No it isnt, Tyszu was past prime and not that good in the first place. He was good but he wasnt as good as Curry, Holyfield or McClellan even if he beat a good few B level fighters along the way. Even Lewis's wins over Tyson, Tua, Rudduck are comparable and all underrated. Buchanon-Laguana probably rates higher too. What about Eubank-Benn 1? Eubank-Watson 2 aswell was a great win. Probably some I've forgot

an undisputed champion with many defenses - not that good? your comment on tszyu is insane. unless you are joking, which i suspect you are.

No Tyszu isnt as good as a Holyfield, Curry or McClellan. Who's Tyszu's best win? Mitchell whos a Stevie Johnston left over? Judah who every top fighter beat? Hurtado who Whitaker had previously ruined? Ukral who was an ok Euro champ? Chavez who was shot to pieces?

PN, you have written a load of cabbage.

you must have been crying and wanking when he beat judah.

i will have to think up some kind of award for you.

[opticald]

PN, you have written a load of cabbage.

you must have been crying and wanking when he beat judah.

i will have to think up some kind of award for you.[/quote]

Try address posts mate, instead of insulting posters.

Tszyu was overrated and was long past his best (when Vince Phillips gave him a hiding btw) when Hatton beat him

[Autobarn]

judah and mitchell were slick, talented, reigning world champions.

mitchell lost to steve johnston, but came back and did something with his career.

this is reet reductive thinking. i'll do bit of my own:

"who did mcclellan beat, shot mugabi, blind julian jackson - with carl king giving him directions so he knew where to punch at!"

"McClellan were noo good!"

[He's Gone Jim!]

Always rather impressed by Contehs victory over Ahmuada to be honest.

[matthewcb]

Laing over Duran?

[Carbo]

If we're going for great underdog wins, surely it has to be Buchanan against Laguna. Going into the territory of a great champion is hard enough. Doing it against an all time great like Laguna is tougher still. Doing it in weather conditions as punishing and hostile as those in Puerto Rico that day make it virtually impossible (think how Languna would react to an outdoor stadium in Glasgow one February Saturday night) yet Buchanan did it.

Aren't we looking at this the wrong way, though? Surely, the best win by a Briton in the last 50 years was Lewis beating Holyfield. Sure, he was heavy favourite -- especially after the first fight -- but it made him undisputed heavyweight champion in the world, and sealed his legacy as an all time great in the process.

That's the greatest win by a Brit. It's just not the least likely or the most thrilling.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

an undisputed champion with many defenses - not that good? your comment on tszyu is insane. unless you are joking, which i suspect you are.

No Tyszu isnt as good as a Holyfield, Curry or McClellan. Who's Tyszu's best win? Mitchell whos a Stevie Johnston left over? Judah who every top fighter beat? Hurtado who Whitaker had previously ruined? Ukral who was an ok Euro champ? Chavez who was shot to pieces?

PN, you have written a load of cabbage.

you must have been crying and wanking when he beat judah.

i will have to think up some kind of award for you.

Best retort you can come back with? Tyszu is good but never proved himself against the best. I wasnt even watching most none HW boxing back then and didnt know who either of them when the fight happened

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

judah and mitchell were slick, talented, reigning world champions.

mitchell lost to steve johnston, but came back and did something with his career.

this is reet reductive thinking. i'll do bit of my own:

"who did mcclellan beat, shot mugabi, blind julian jackson - with carl king giving him directions so he knew where to punch at!"

"McClellan were noo good!"

GMAN wasnt fully proven but at least he was prime and fought and beat an elite fighter prior in Jackson. Can you tell me what Mitchell and Judah's best wins were prior to losing to Tyszu? Judahs is probably Witter, Mitchell I barely reckognise any names on his ledger

The main part with GMAN being a better win is he was in his prime and in sensational form prior to the fight

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Laing over Duran?

Good 1, and 1 Ive never got round to saying the Duran fanatics claim he wasnt near his best but maybe Laing pulled a performance out the hat, I need to watch that 1

[coghaugen11]

Benn, WBC champion who hadn't lost for five years and had a first-round win over Iran Barkley to his name, was a 40-1 underdog against McClellan. He was a 40-1 underdog for a reason.

Julian Jackson was in the best form of his career against Thomas Tate with his punching accuracy and body punching. Gilbert Baptist was granite-chinned (took a then-monster Hopkins 12) and blown out of the water. Then the one-round demolition job on Julian. Two world titles by age 25, 20 first-round wins by age 26. He knocked down slippery, granite-chinned Sanderline Williams for the only time in his career. His punching was unbelievable.

[bigjack]

honeyghan for me, with hatton at least some picked him to win,but lloyd never stood a chance, maybe curry was struggling to make the weight but most boxers do don't they anyway the way honeyghan ripped curry apart was sensational so he's my pick,i can't comment on some of the older fighters as i haven't seen the fights.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Actually he was 38 still 15 years passed his best though

what he peaked at 23?

[banjo]

Actually he was 38 still 15 years passed his best though

what he peaked at 23?

Yes, 1985.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Actually he was 38 still 15 years passed his best though

what he peaked at 23?

Yes, 1985.

Well he had plenty of very good victories after that. Look at the results he had.