DID ANYONE SEE THE FIGHT BETWEEN JESSIE HART VS LUIS ARIAS.?

[PHILLYSTEVE]

WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS? WAS THE DECISION RIGHT? :?? :??

[adaboxer150]

luis won hands down.

[Lifestyle Flashy]

idk why Hart people crying so much
ya boy didnt do anything
yeah he "boxed" better
but you cant win running from a guy whos coming forward

AND you definetly cant win getting tired in 3-2 minute rounds.come on now

he got knocked out the 1st fight
2nd fight he won 12-10
now he lost 8-6

take it and come back

he lost

[PHILLYSTEVE]

I HAVE THE VIDEO, THE JUDGES DIDN'T SCORE ANY OF JESSIE PUNCHES IN THE 3RD ROUND. I ADMIT, HE DID SEEM TO BE A LITTLE TIRED. HE STILL DID ENOUGH TO WIN. FOR SOME ODD REASON, THEY LOOK OUT FOR LUIS ARIAS. I'LL POST THE VIDEO UP ON http://WWW.INNERPHILLY.COM AND YOUTUBE TOMORROW! BY THE WAY, JESSIE DROP LUIS IN THE 2ND FIGHT AND THEY STILL TRIED TO MAKE THE FIGHT CLOSE. COM'ON MAN!!!! I GUESS ANYBODY THAT FIGHTS HIM, WILL JUST HAVE TO KNOCK HIM OUT.

[Alodom7]

I don't think Arias is that good at all. I saw his fight vs Peterkin on youtube and he really got worked. It is no doubt that Jesse HArt probably won, but USA boxing picks who they'd like to win, that why when they go to the Olympics and other places they have a bunch of inexperienced boxers that cannot match up with anyone from the other countries. It is a shame though, because it eliminates the competitive nature of the sport.

[JMac]

USA boxing picks who they'd like to win, that why when they go to the Olympics and other places they have a bunch of inexperienced boxers that cannot match up with anyone from the other countries. It is a shame though, because it eliminates the competitive nature of the sport.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. No one ever tells the officials who to win. The PAL tournament is not a USA Boxing event. PAL is a group member. When the US goes to the Olympics with inexperienced boxers, it's because they are inexperienced. The problem with US boxers is they turn pro so young. I can think of lots of good boxers who turned pro before the Olympic trials that were better than the boxers that made the team. Another problem is getting the boxers international experience. They need to be boxing in tournaments in Europe where the best amateur boxers are located besides Cuba instead of doing dual meets.
I was a long time AIBA official who worked Olympic trials and plenty of national championships. Not once did anybody ever ask me to help their boxer win or not once did any officer of USA Boxing ever say we need so and so to win. If that were the case, Danny Jacobs would have made the '08 Olympic team instead of Shawn Estrada. Jacobs had beaten Estrada several times in the finals of national tournaments but in the finals of the Olympic trials, Estrada stepped up and won the bout fair and square. It happens. I remember Anthony Thompson back in 2001. He won every national championship, US, GG's, PAL. He took silver at the worlds in Belfast and silver at the Goodwill Games. He was a shoe in the make the team and medal but he had two children one who had health problems and all of the pro promoters were after him to turn pro. He took the money and we lost a good boxer for the '04 Olympic team.
It drives me crazy when people like you make statements like that when it couldn't be further from the truth.

[Legend616]

After watching this bout on youtube, I feel Hart outboxed Arias. Arias was the aggressor but it was uneffective. Hart used the ring well and put his punches together well. Arias was able to land a little toward the end of the third because it seemed that Hart was getting a little tired. All in all I think Hart won this bout with skill and boxing ability and Arias was just trying to out muscel and rough Hart up.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tciryxFdg0

[boxmel]

After watching this bout on youtube, I feel Hart outboxed Arias.

And you saw the bout from one point of view - that of the video. Please remember there are five judges and 3 out of the five have to push the button for the same boxer within a one second window for a point to score. Three out of five judges have to see a legal effective blow land in order to push said button.

[PHILLYSTEVE]

After watching this bout on youtube, I feel Hart outboxed Arias.

And you saw the bout from one point of view - that of the video. Please remember there are five judges and 3 out of the five have to push the button for the same boxer within a one second window for a point to score. Three out of five judges have to see a legal effective blow land in order to push said button.

PLEASE WITH THE EXCUSES. LETS GET BOXING BACK TO THE WAY IT USE TO BE, OR WE MIGHT LOSE WHAT LITTLE FANS WE HAVE LEFT. FIGHTERS NEED TO RUMBLE, NOT WORRY ABOUT SOME DAMN POINT SYSTEM OR CHEATING ASS JUDGES SHOWING FAVOR. I LOVE BOXING BUT I WOULD NEVER BET ON IT.

[boxmel]

PLEASE WITH THE EXCUSES. LETS GET BOXING BACK TO THE WAY IT USE TO BE

And what might that be? And in what century?

[PHILLYSTEVE]

PLEASE WITH THE EXCUSES. LETS GET BOXING BACK TO THE WAY IT USE TO BE

And what might that be? And in what century?

MAY THE BEST MAN WIN, NOT THE FAVORITE MAN

[big ed]

yo! jessie won that fight!! no questions about it!!! Luis didnt do anything but thro him on the mat!!!! jessie totaly out boxed luis

[boxfanner]

Luis clearly won the fight dude - he IS good - quit cryin'
And as far as he is their favorite - that is why he wins - and he is not that good, that's ridiculous man!
I'm sure Luis went and traveled to thirty countries a year ago and paid off ALL the officials and judges (yen, euro, pesos, francs, and pounds) so he could be THEIR favorite also and win the BRONZE medal! And he had also won the silver in the JOs in international competition! Where have YOU been? Wise up. The library has many books on boxing basics! They are free to check out!

[boxmel]

MAY THE BEST MAN WIN, NOT THE FAVORITE MAN

That's not an answer to my question, but I didn't really expect one. Luis WAS the best boxer. He DID outpoint Hart. And that's my opinion from a ringside seat.

[PHILLYSTEVE]

MAY THE BEST MAN WIN, NOT THE FAVORITE MAN

That's not an answer to my question, but I didn't really expect one. Luis WAS the best boxer. He DID outpoint Hart. And that's my opinion from a ringside seat.

KEY WORD "OPINION". IT SEEMS YOU'RE A FAN OF LUIS. I'M A FAN OF JESSE. OUR OPINIONS DON'T COUNT. I ADMIT IF I FELT JESSE LOST, THEN HE LOST. BUT NOT IN THIS FIGHT! ANYWAY I WASN'T THERE BUT I HEAR ALOT OF ARAIS OPPONENTS WASN'T GETTING THE POINTS THEY DESERVED. AND ARIAS WAS DAMN NEAR GETTING A POINT EVERY TIME HE SWUNG. (you can't answer that one, i already know what you're going to say.) DON'T GET ME WRONG, I LIKE ARIAS. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HIM AS A PRO. HE HAS A KNOCKOUT PUNCH. USA BOXING NEEDS TO HAVE DOUBLE ELIMINATIONS @ THE US CHAMPIONSHIP. TO INSURE WE HAVE THE BEST BOXERS ON THE TEAM. QUESTION? DO YOU THINK TERRELL GAUSHA OUR #1, IS THE BEST IN THIS WEIGHT CLASS. BASED ON ONE TOURNAMENT?

[JMac]

USA BOXING NEEDS TO HAVE DOUBLE ELIMINATIONS @ THE US CHAMPIONSHIP. TO INSURE WE HAVE THE BEST BOXERS ON THE TEAM. QUESTION? DO YOU THINK TERRELL GAUSHA OUR #1, IS THE BEST IN THIS WEIGHT CLASS. BASED ON ONE TOURNAMENT?

The current rankings are based off of the US Championships. The rankings can change as the year goes on. Both Gausha and Hart beat the same boxer in the last two USA-Great Britain duals so the rankings won't change there. Jesse should get some more points from the PAL tournament so he may move up, I'm not sure.

[boxmel]

[quote]KEY WORD "OPINION". IT SEEMS YOU'RE A FAN OF LUIS. I'M A FAN OF JESSE. OUR OPINIONS DON'T COUNT. I ADMIT IF I FELT JESSE LOST, THEN HE LOST. BUT NOT IN THIS FIGHT! ANYWAY I WASN'T THERE BUT I HEAR ALOT OF ARAIS OPPONENTS WASN'T GETTING THE POINTS THEY DESERVED. AND ARIAS WAS DAMN NEAR GETTING A POINT EVERY TIME HE SWUNG. (you can't answer that one, i already know what you're going to say.)[/quote
As an official, I'm not a "fan" of any of the boxers. Some of the athletes I know well, but they don't always win. And if you weren't there (I was), it really isn't fair to either boxer to state who you think won. I frankly think all the winners were the correct ones.

[Legend616]

KEY WORD "OPINION". IT SEEMS YOU'RE A FAN OF LUIS. I'M A FAN OF JESSE. OUR OPINIONS DON'T COUNT. I ADMIT IF I FELT JESSE LOST, THEN HE LOST. BUT NOT IN THIS FIGHT! ANYWAY I WASN'T THERE BUT I HEAR ALOT OF ARAIS OPPONENTS WASN'T GETTING THE POINTS THEY DESERVED. AND ARIAS WAS DAMN NEAR GETTING A POINT EVERY TIME HE SWUNG. (you can't answer that one, i already know what you're going to say.)[/quote
As an official, I'm not a "fan" of any of the boxers. Some of the athletes I know well, but they don't always win. And if you weren't there (I was), it really isn't fair to either boxer to state who you think won. I frankly think all the winners were the correct ones.

You don't have to be in attendance to see who won a fight. If you watch a video of the bout you can make an opinion of who won. By saying you have to be there to judge who won the fight is not correct. Im not saying you are a bias judge or ref but there are some out there that make bad decisions in fights, pro and amature.

[boxmel]

You don't have to be in attendance to see who won a fight. If you watch a video of the bout you can make an opinion of who won.

And that's all it is - just an opinion and doesn't change the outcome.

By saying you have to be there to judge who won the fight is not correct.

Yes it is. And, just out of curiosity, how did you "judge" the video to determine Hart won? Can you explain what a scoring blow is? And where the scoring area is?

[boxfan88]

Very well put Mel. I agree. I was at ringside and Arias clearly won the fight. I don't know who said that Hart was "a little" tired. My God, Hart was FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE!

[PHILLYSTEVE]

Very well put Mel. I agree. I was at ringside and Arias clearly won the fight. I don't know who said that Hart was "a little" tired. My God, Hart was FALLING ALL OVER THE PLACE!

I HEARD EVEN IN THE FINALS CHRIS PEARSON WAS PUTTING A WHIPPING ON LUIS. AND ONCE AGAIN LUIS PREVAIL. I WATCHED TRAVIS PUT IT ON HIM AS WELL. OH WELL, YOUR A FAN TOO.

[boxmel]

I HEARD EVEN IN THE FINALS CHRIS PEARSON WAS PUTTING A WHIPPING ON LUIS.

The "I heard" mantra is such BS! Luis beat Pearson 10-7 and, in my opinion, it's because Luis seems to start slow in the first round - not a good idea when boxing with computer scoring. His coach doesn't seem to be concerned, but it does make for close scores. No one "whipped" Arias at the PAL. The boxers seem to do better with sportsmanship than the fans, especially those who were not there and only "heard."

[PHILLYSTEVE]

I HEARD EVEN IN THE FINALS CHRIS PEARSON WAS PUTTING A WHIPPING ON LUIS.

The "I heard" mantra is such BS! Luis beat Pearson 10-7 and, in my opinion, it's because Luis seems to start slow in the first round - not a good idea when boxing with computer scoring. His coach doesn't seem to be concerned, but it does make for close scores. No one "whipped" Arias at the PAL. The boxers seem to do better with sportsmanship than the fans, especially those who were not there and only "heard."

YOU RIGHT. WE ARE ALL PASSIONATE. I PERSONALLY JUST MISS THE OLD WAY OF SCORING. TOO MUCH POLITICS IN BOXING.

[TimmySoCal]

ha ha ha

[boxmel]

WE ARE ALL PASSIONATE.

That's an understatement. D

I PERSONALLY JUST MISS THE OLD WAY OF SCORING.

I hope you aren't referring to the manual scoring that was done prior to the computer scoring. The cheating was high and couldn't be caught - remember what happened to Roy Jones in 1988. The scoring criteria for computer scoring is the same as it was for manual scoring - nothing has changed there. With computer scoring you can actually see if anyone is cheating.

TOO MUCH POLITICS IN BOXING.

Such as? I agree that the ego battles at the top level aren't doing the sport any good but those power struggles are not affecting the scoring.