Andy Lee v Affif Belghecham

[Barry big balz]

I post mainly in boxing scene but i like to mix it up if one site is slow or whatever.

[Asterix]

I like Andy Lee. Good boxer, some power, nice style. But he is vulnerable. Someone like Pavlik would smash him to bits. If Lee can avoid the big punchers, I think he's got what it takes to pick up a title, provided he keeps improving.

[Barry big balz]

Every single boxer on this planet is vulnerable not just andy lee, and i wouldnt judge andy on his fight with vera he was clearly to green for the likes of vera and was rushed by manny steward who should be ashamed of himself for the things he said about andy, to put that much pressure on a young fighter is just stupid..... Watch the older wiser andy catch up very quick next year...

[Asterix]

Every single boxer on this planet is vulnerable not just andy lee, and i wouldnt judge andy on his fight with vera he was clearly to green for the likes of vera and was rushed by manny steward who should be ashamed of himself for the things he said about andy, to put that much pressure on a young fighter is just stupid..... Watch the older wiser andy catch up very quick next year...

You know what I mean, I'm sure. It wasn't just in the Brian Vera fight, but also against Willie Gibbs, that Lee looked vulnerable. I don't think any of the guys he's fought since then have much power.

[Barry big balz]

Andy gets hit to much yea, but his chin is top class, gibbs hit him on the button a couple of times and didnt wobble andy at all and gibbs had a mean right hand power. in andys last fight against shuler andy finished the fight without a mark on him so he did pretty good. i will wait until after his next fight against a ranked opponent to pass judgement on andys development.

[opticald]

Andy gets hit to much yea, but his chin is top class, gibbs hit him on the button a couple of times and didnt wobble andy at all and gibbs had a mean right hand power. in andys last fight against shuler andy finished the fight without a mark on him so he did pretty good. i will wait until after his next fight against a ranked opponent to pass judgement on andys development.

[ernie25]

All I can really say is...I hope the undercard is good

Limerick is a fair trek but I'll be there.

as do I - could be tempted to go.

The last Limerick card.

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=554533

it said in the star today that jamie power and willie casey are on the undercard

ive also heard stephen haughian might be on it and i would also imagine gary o'sullivan and michale sweeney might make an appearance

jamie power is fighting john waldron for the irish light heavyweight title.... mike sweeney cant make d weight so its ther for the taking.. jamie lost to the storm at a catchweight he was a stone heavier.. willie casey is fighting on 24th of october aswell wit waldron fighting on d same card so if they fight again in nov 14th id say its mickey mouse fighters ther up against...

[moorser]

http://www.boxrec.com/show_display.php?show_id=554533

it said in the star today that jamie power and willie casey are on the undercard

ive also heard stephen haughian might be on it and i would also imagine gary o'sullivan and michale sweeney might make an appearance[/quote]


jamie power is fighting john waldron for the irish light heavyweight title.... mike sweeney cant make d weight so its ther for the taking.. jamie lost to the storm at a catchweight he was a stone heavier.. willie casey is fighting on 24th of october aswell wit waldron fighting on d same card so if they fight again in nov 14th id say its mickey mouse fighters ther up against...[/quote]

it says on boxrec that power and sweeny weighed the same only a pound in the difference

anyway sweeney would box the ears off both he is a class act

[Autobarn]

yeah but at least macklin has taken a direct route in his career. he did it losing a thrilling fight to jamie moore, and after regrouping, he went on to win some meaningful fights.

the opponents that lee faces, incl brian vera who beat him, just don't mean a heck of a lot. for a lad of his talent he should be doing better. is he waiting for macklin to risk his EBU title against him?

bet the irish commentators talk about the lee fight as a European title fight (provided it officially will be for EU whatsit belt).

Bet they dont - not when one of our own holds the really thing.

Macklin is extremely popular in Ireland and very well known and even RTE are well aware of what title he holds and will want to build up this fight as Lee's step toward a showdown with Macklin.

Macklin is associated with Tipperary and Lee with Limerick - to bitter rivals in Hurling and this is where that angle will develop imo.

thanks for that info. didn't know macklin was big in ireland - though perhaps i should have cottoned on if peters is taking him back to ireland. hopefully a lee fight happens. hopefully a cracking fight and both make good money. just get the impression that lee is letting macklin do all the meaningful work. maybe lee's opponent will b e tough - hopefully so.

macklin is interesting. sometimes he's a "manchester mexican", hatton style (see the moore fight). sometimes he's a "popular irishman". and his fight with elcock went down well in birmingham, west midlands - as a local derby. macklin seems to blend in and fit in wherever he fights.

[steve689]

Sweeney, Waldron, Power, Long, Fitzgerald are all sort of around the same weights so it's good to see the promoters putting them in with one another. Haughian is off the McCloskey undercard in Derry so may feature in Limerick.

[Barry big balz]

I cant wait for this one.

[slapbangwhallop]

yeah but at least macklin has taken a direct route in his career. he did it losing a thrilling fight to jamie moore, and after regrouping, he went on to win some meaningful fights.

the opponents that lee faces, incl brian vera who beat him, just don't mean a heck of a lot. for a lad of his talent he should be doing better. is he waiting for macklin to risk his EBU title against him?

bet the irish commentators talk about the lee fight as a European title fight (provided it officially will be for EU whatsit belt).

Bet they dont - not when one of our own holds the really thing.

Macklin is extremely popular in Ireland and very well known and even RTE are well aware of what title he holds and will want to build up this fight as Lee's step toward a showdown with Macklin.

Macklin is associated with Tipperary and Lee with Limerick - to bitter rivals in Hurling and this is where that angle will develop imo.

thanks for that info. didn't know macklin was big in ireland - though perhaps i should have cottoned on if peters is taking him back to ireland. hopefully a lee fight happens. hopefully a cracking fight and both make good money. just get the impression that lee is letting macklin do all the meaningful work. maybe lee's opponent will b e tough - hopefully so.

macklin is interesting. sometimes he's a "manchester mexican", hatton style (see the moore fight). sometimes he's a "popular irishman". and his fight with elcock went down well in birmingham, west midlands - as a local derby. macklin seems to blend in and fit in wherever he fights.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... -andy-lee/

[Badass]

yeah but at least macklin has taken a direct route in his career. he did it losing a thrilling fight to jamie moore, and after regrouping, he went on to win some meaningful fights.

the opponents that lee faces, incl brian vera who beat him, just don't mean a heck of a lot. for a lad of his talent he should be doing better. is he waiting for macklin to risk his EBU title against him?

bet the irish commentators talk about the lee fight as a European title fight (provided it officially will be for EU whatsit belt).

Bet they dont - not when one of our own holds the really thing.

Macklin is extremely popular in Ireland and very well known and even RTE are well aware of what title he holds and will want to build up this fight as Lee's step toward a showdown with Macklin.

Macklin is associated with Tipperary and Lee with Limerick - to bitter rivals in Hurling and this is where that angle will develop imo.

thanks for that info. didn't know macklin was big in ireland - though perhaps i should have cottoned on if peters is taking him back to ireland. hopefully a lee fight happens. hopefully a cracking fight and both make good money. just get the impression that lee is letting macklin do all the meaningful work. maybe lee's opponent will b e tough - hopefully so.

macklin is interesting. sometimes he's a "manchester mexican", hatton style (see the moore fight). sometimes he's a "popular irishman". and his fight with elcock went down well in birmingham, west midlands - as a local derby. macklin seems to blend in and fit in wherever he fights.

Macklin has had his fair share of crap opposition and bad performances. Matt looked good beating up on geriatrics but he has yet to be tested properly I reckon. You could argue that Macklin got both Elcock and Asikainen at a good time, it's not like either were even the best in Britain or Europe at the weight when Macklin fought them. Darren Barker is better than both in my opinion and would have been a much harder test for him. Saying that Lee is letting Macklin do all the meaningful work is a strange comment. When Macklin fought Elcock did he let him do all the meaningful work? Elcock did have the title after all

[BARNEYKX]

Lee /Duddy going nowhere Macklin maybe good luck McClosky hope u do it DD D

[gemmell]

I can see andy fighting for a title late next year.

what title's that then the wbu? andy lee is a bum who fight's bum's

[gemmell]

id like to see lee vs macklin and it will most likely happen early next year if hatton cant secure a bout with a world title holder for his man macklin.

macklin would ko him in 3

[Badass]

id like to see lee vs macklin and it will most likely happen early next year if hatton cant secure a bout with a world title holder for his man macklin.

macklin would ko him in 3

Ok Gemmell, Lee is no 35 year old Elcock or shot Asikainen. Macklin won't be able for Lee's power...wait and see 8)

[Deserter]

Yes Macklin is moving along "now" - but after his fight with Moore he faced luminaries such as Anatoliy Udalov, Darren Rhodes, Francis Cheka and Geard Ajetovic!

Ajetovic is a quality fighter, albeit one who performs below his 'true' capability on occasion. Don't think he belongs in that list to be honest.

[slapbangwhallop]

Yes Macklin is moving along "now" - but after his fight with Moore he faced luminaries such as Anatoliy Udalov, Darren Rhodes, Francis Cheka and Geard Ajetovic!

Ajetovic is a quality fighter, albeit one who performs below his 'true' capability on occasion. Don't think he belongs in that list to be honest.

decent amatuer but has never (that I have seen or read) every performed as a professional

[Deserter]

Yes Macklin is moving along "now" - but after his fight with Moore he faced luminaries such as Anatoliy Udalov, Darren Rhodes, Francis Cheka and Geard Ajetovic!

Ajetovic is a quality fighter, albeit one who performs below his 'true' capability on occasion. Don't think he belongs in that list to be honest.

decent amatuer but has never (that I have seen or read) every performed as a professional

His stoppage of Pat Maxwell had a lot of people on here purring, especially as Maxwell was regarded as a real dangerman at the time. While the stoppage over Vegas in the subsequent fight also looks impressive given Vegas had put Cleverley through such a stern test in the fight prior to that.
Don't get me wrong, Ajetovic has never fulfilled his hype (I remember 'Get in the Ring' regarding him as one of the brightest prospects on the scene when he was about 6 and 0), but I just don't believe he belongs in the bracket you're putting him in. He represented a decent opponent, particularly as he was effectively a 'tune-up' for the Elcock challenge.

[D-Nunan]

Does any1 knw if the fight is for the european union title???

[slapbangwhallop]

Does any1 knw if the fight is for the european union title???

its not - Affif wouldnt put it up for grabs

[Deno1986]

Does any1 knw if the fight is for the european union title???

its not - Affif wouldnt put it up for grabs

you would swear it was the WBC belt he had!

On another note I cant believe Peters has put this on the same night as the Ireland-France playoff, I got tickets for the match but now I'll be missing the boxing, might get to see the last few rounds in a pub if it goes the distance and if I can scamper out of Croker fast enough. I'll be home in time for Pacman-Cotto though!

[steve689]

I think he's doing a big screen job like when the Ireland rugby was on the same night as Dunne-Cordoba.

[D-Nunan]

Ya peters announced yesterday that there will be a big screen showin da ireland France match!