A blow for Hatton might be a bigger blow for British boxing
John Rawling
Monday December 27, 2004
The American television network Showtime is increasing pressure on the world's No1 light-welterweight Kostya Tszyu to accept a spring world title defence against Ricky Hatton and it is becoming evident that it is important for not only the Mancunian's career that his dream fight should be made.
The BBC has already scaled down its coverage of the professional sport, electing instead to follow the amateur code with its Olympic star Amir Khan. And now Sky has told many of the staff who have worked for years on the network's boxing output that they will be moved to other sports.
Sky's boxing magazine programme Ringside has been ditched and Saturday night Premiership action has prompted a switch for live boxing from that night to Fridays. Even Sky's leading boxing commentator Ian Darke has been told he will now also have to commentate on Premiership matches.
Meanwhile the promoter Barry Hearn has not had his boxing contract extended by Sky, leaving him to concentrate his energies on alternative attractions such as darts and poker. In such a climate of uncertainty it is no exaggeration to say it is vital for the sport that headline-grabbing bouts of genuine world significance involving leading British fighters take place sooner rather than later.
Hatton is a hugely popular figure in boxing but craves a career-defining opportunity to prove his worth among the best. So far he has made a fortune defending his lowly regarded World Boxing Union title, mainly in front of his adoring Manchester fans, but he has said repeatedly: "Money is important but there comes a time when you need to test yourself against the best, and Kostya Tszyu is that man."
Tszyu is under a supposedly bullet-proof contract with Showtime, who are keen that he accepts Warren's offer to fight Hatton in Manchester next April or May. The Russian-born Australian national would earn in the region of £2m but Tszyu seems in no hurry to comply.
Worryingly Hatton's promoter Warren is already conceding that Tszyu might end up being stripped of his International Boxing Federation title, leaving Hatton to fight for the vacant belt. For the Briton that would be a crushing disappointment and it would also be another damaging body blow for British
A blow for Hatton might be a bigger blow for British boxing
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Slapsie Maxie
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sorry to be a doomsayer, but the truth is TV coverage of boxing became terminally ill the moment it left terrestial TV for SKY.
Classic fights from huge events like The Rumble, to domestic tear ups like the Benn/Eubank/Watson era became part of a collective consciousness with even non fight fans taking part in conversations before and after.
Once the fight game began to price itself out ( are we listening Premiership football??) and went to SKY, the fights were watched, relatively speaking, by one man and a dog. Even huge fights carry little or no impact into the non fight world.
The truth is, SKY is now not getting the return for the inflated price it had to pay to get a cornerstone sport and doesn't need it so much. They can do what they like because Boxing has no where to go.
It is no use blaming the Beeb and ITV. Like a jilted lover, they have just got on with their life and the return of a shopworn old lover is neither needed nor wanted
The Hatton/Kosta fight is a good fight, but it is not about to save boxing as most people in the country ( if we like it or not ) neither know nor care who Hatton is. Harsh but true.
At best, this fight will be like putting 50,000 volts through a cadaver.
Slapsie
Classic fights from huge events like The Rumble, to domestic tear ups like the Benn/Eubank/Watson era became part of a collective consciousness with even non fight fans taking part in conversations before and after.
Once the fight game began to price itself out ( are we listening Premiership football??) and went to SKY, the fights were watched, relatively speaking, by one man and a dog. Even huge fights carry little or no impact into the non fight world.
The truth is, SKY is now not getting the return for the inflated price it had to pay to get a cornerstone sport and doesn't need it so much. They can do what they like because Boxing has no where to go.
It is no use blaming the Beeb and ITV. Like a jilted lover, they have just got on with their life and the return of a shopworn old lover is neither needed nor wanted
The Hatton/Kosta fight is a good fight, but it is not about to save boxing as most people in the country ( if we like it or not ) neither know nor care who Hatton is. Harsh but true.
At best, this fight will be like putting 50,000 volts through a cadaver.
Slapsie
Facts are the public have been given shit fights to watch and talk about , all designed to fill the pockets of a couple of greedy promoters and the public are not impressed.
There's been no new fan base coming through, the fans that are left are being conned and they know it,
The big domestic fights don't seem to happen and the punters are walking, and they are walking if they wer'nt well boxing would be given more air time not less the only good thing to come out of it, is the fact that some promoters earnings will go down.
Regarding Hatton he ain't ever gonna be the saving grace of british boxing, cos if he meets Zoo he gets ko'ed and thats a fact, people will then relize theve been conned, and bullshitted to, even more, and become even more disgruntled.
If we want boxing to boom has previous days , give the fans what they want , good even fight, put more emphasis on the domestic titles has oppossed to the bullshit Fwanky titles.
Hatton and Witter now theres a good start, they should shut the fack up about Hatton wanting big fights when he has a big fight at his doorstep ,How the fack can you call yourself champion of the world when you continually refuse to fight someone for the title champion of britain .
Last and perhaps most important the blame should go to the bbbc these people have been put in charge of british boxing , part of there duties are to promote the sport of boxing and how do they do that easy
They allow promoters to have things there own way and put on continual mismatches, which not only rip of the public , but bring the sport into disrepute, not to mention the risk of serios injury and death to the poor overweight or underweight passed his prime fighter generally with no ko's on his reume.
Theres a lot of reasons for the demise of boxing , but a good start to geting it back on track would be to get people in charge who have the balls and the intestinal fortitude to say , get stuffed , stick your champagne lunches and caviar up your arse , you ain't getting any more uneven fights on this soil. From now on its even fights or nothing, and tell the promoters we don't want your bullshit title fights here we want to see your man become champion of Britain, not champion of fwanky's stable.
The BBBC They have the power to put things right but do they have the balls, cos lets have it right they don't mind weilding the stick at the small time hall promoter, but they continually refuse to weild the stick with the big time promoters who continually rip of joe public.
There's been no new fan base coming through, the fans that are left are being conned and they know it,
The big domestic fights don't seem to happen and the punters are walking, and they are walking if they wer'nt well boxing would be given more air time not less the only good thing to come out of it, is the fact that some promoters earnings will go down.
Regarding Hatton he ain't ever gonna be the saving grace of british boxing, cos if he meets Zoo he gets ko'ed and thats a fact, people will then relize theve been conned, and bullshitted to, even more, and become even more disgruntled.
If we want boxing to boom has previous days , give the fans what they want , good even fight, put more emphasis on the domestic titles has oppossed to the bullshit Fwanky titles.
Hatton and Witter now theres a good start, they should shut the fack up about Hatton wanting big fights when he has a big fight at his doorstep ,How the fack can you call yourself champion of the world when you continually refuse to fight someone for the title champion of britain .
Last and perhaps most important the blame should go to the bbbc these people have been put in charge of british boxing , part of there duties are to promote the sport of boxing and how do they do that easy
They allow promoters to have things there own way and put on continual mismatches, which not only rip of the public , but bring the sport into disrepute, not to mention the risk of serios injury and death to the poor overweight or underweight passed his prime fighter generally with no ko's on his reume.
Theres a lot of reasons for the demise of boxing , but a good start to geting it back on track would be to get people in charge who have the balls and the intestinal fortitude to say , get stuffed , stick your champagne lunches and caviar up your arse , you ain't getting any more uneven fights on this soil. From now on its even fights or nothing, and tell the promoters we don't want your bullshit title fights here we want to see your man become champion of Britain, not champion of fwanky's stable.
The BBBC They have the power to put things right but do they have the balls, cos lets have it right they don't mind weilding the stick at the small time hall promoter, but they continually refuse to weild the stick with the big time promoters who continually rip of joe public.
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lirva33
- Heavyweight
Agreed.coneye wrote:Facts are the public have been given shit fights to watch and talk about , all designed to fill the pockets of a couple of greedy promoters and the public are not impressed.
There's been no new fan base coming through, the fans that are left are being conned and they know it,
The big domestic fights don't seem to happen and the punters are walking, and they are walking if they wer'nt well boxing would be given more air time not less the only good thing to come out of it, is the fact that some promoters earnings will go down.
Regarding Hatton he ain't ever gonna be the saving grace of british boxing, cos if he meets Zoo he gets ko'ed and thats a fact, people will then relize theve been conned, and bullshitted to, even more, and become even more disgruntled.
If we want boxing to boom has previous days , give the fans what they want , good even fight, put more emphasis on the domestic titles has oppossed to the bullshit Fwanky titles.
Hatton and Witter now theres a good start, they should shut the fack up about Hatton wanting big fights when he has a big fight at his doorstep ,How the fack can you call yourself champion of the world when you continually refuse to fight someone for the title champion of britain .
Last and perhaps most important the blame should go to the bbbc these people have been put in charge of british boxing , part of there duties are to promote the sport of boxing and how do they do that easy
They allow promoters to have things there own way and put on continual mismatches, which not only rip of the public , but bring the sport into disrepute, not to mention the risk of serios injury and death to the poor overweight or underweight passed his prime fighter generally with no ko's on his reume.
Theres a lot of reasons for the demise of boxing , but a good start to geting it back on track would be to get people in charge who have the balls and the intestinal fortitude to say , get stuffed , stick your champagne lunches and caviar up your arse , you ain't getting any more uneven fights on this soil. From now on its even fights or nothing, and tell the promoters we don't want your bullshit title fights here we want to see your man become champion of Britain, not champion of fwanky's stable.
The BBBC They have the power to put things right but do they have the balls, cos lets have it right they don't mind weilding the stick at the small time hall promoter, but they continually refuse to weild the stick with the big time promoters who continually rip of joe public.
The simple fct is that british boxing is a joke nowadays Gone are the competitive, exciting times of Eubank, Benn, Watson, collins etc. and now we get the likes of Hatton, and calzaghe stuffed in our faces. It's all about money and the fans are being taken for a ride, plain and simple. Well, I'm done with that and I'm done with British boxing. I'm only going to watch fights worth watching (not too many of them) from now on. I'd rather watch Spongebob Squarepants than Macrinelli vs 35 year old bum. Enzo is terrible too.
Im not altoghter sure that the public as a whole do realise they are being conned. Fact of the matter si that people such as us may moan, belittle or complain about the quality of fighters or 'top' fighters face bout after bout. But what remains true is that fight after fight Uncle Frank consistently sells out the MEN in manchester.
Sadly thats what counts. In the grand scheme of things the opinions of a few dozen hardcore boxing fans such as us count for little when Sports Network are counting the pound notes and selecting the next walkover for their golden goose. Its seems that theres enough punters out there beliveing what thier seeng is the real thing enough to sell out the MEN 4-5 times a year and thats what matters. In a sense the Jam were right when they sung "the public want what the public get". Money talks, bullshit titles sell seats and seats make money. and forget what fights the real boxing fans want to see.
Your right about the BBBC, but what is difficult is that the same BBBC are in part funded by the input and fees paid by promoters. If one promoter is bigger than the rest and thus inputs more into their coffers then the BBBC ae always going to be hesitiant about biting the hand that feeds, by ordering fights that the genine boxing fan wants to see. (I suppose this is the bit where i shuld mention that I am in no way suggesting that any promoter exerts any undue influence of them, just before the legal eagles start their letter writing) But is a case of simple economics.
Im not altogether convinced that Hatton fighting Tszyu is a bad thing. Hatton wins, he's a hero. Bankrolled for the rest of his career with big money outdoor bouts that will earn him millions. He loses? no big deal. he goes away, licks his wounds and comes back again. Us brits traditionally love a beaten hero. He'll still sell out the MEN maybe not earning as much as he would do as a recognised world class fighter, but still earning a living that will set him up for life if he ever retires.
If he fights Witter, then thats different. He'll dodge him for 2 reasons. 1. He could lose and 2. Theres the local bragging rights. Witter is probably the only domestic fighter who could possibly effect Hattons popularity in Manchester. Loses to Witter then his kudos goes, no more can the Hatton fans turn round and say Witter isnt good enough to fight their man and bang goes the ilusion. Having Hatton avoid witter frustrates us but appeals to the Mancs who buy this rubbish and make Hatton a fortune. And if Hatton makes a fortune..... well you can work the rest out for yourself.
Sadly thats what counts. In the grand scheme of things the opinions of a few dozen hardcore boxing fans such as us count for little when Sports Network are counting the pound notes and selecting the next walkover for their golden goose. Its seems that theres enough punters out there beliveing what thier seeng is the real thing enough to sell out the MEN 4-5 times a year and thats what matters. In a sense the Jam were right when they sung "the public want what the public get". Money talks, bullshit titles sell seats and seats make money. and forget what fights the real boxing fans want to see.
Your right about the BBBC, but what is difficult is that the same BBBC are in part funded by the input and fees paid by promoters. If one promoter is bigger than the rest and thus inputs more into their coffers then the BBBC ae always going to be hesitiant about biting the hand that feeds, by ordering fights that the genine boxing fan wants to see. (I suppose this is the bit where i shuld mention that I am in no way suggesting that any promoter exerts any undue influence of them, just before the legal eagles start their letter writing) But is a case of simple economics.
Im not altogether convinced that Hatton fighting Tszyu is a bad thing. Hatton wins, he's a hero. Bankrolled for the rest of his career with big money outdoor bouts that will earn him millions. He loses? no big deal. he goes away, licks his wounds and comes back again. Us brits traditionally love a beaten hero. He'll still sell out the MEN maybe not earning as much as he would do as a recognised world class fighter, but still earning a living that will set him up for life if he ever retires.
If he fights Witter, then thats different. He'll dodge him for 2 reasons. 1. He could lose and 2. Theres the local bragging rights. Witter is probably the only domestic fighter who could possibly effect Hattons popularity in Manchester. Loses to Witter then his kudos goes, no more can the Hatton fans turn round and say Witter isnt good enough to fight their man and bang goes the ilusion. Having Hatton avoid witter frustrates us but appeals to the Mancs who buy this rubbish and make Hatton a fortune. And if Hatton makes a fortune..... well you can work the rest out for yourself.
See your point but by the same rule a big bunch of man city fans turning up for a good night on the piss to support there local hero, does'nt excatly pay the bills for the tv excecutives does it.
Facts still remain if they would rather put a game of poker on the box than a good old fashioned boxing match, something must be going wrong, and people must be turning off, The very thing about tv and such is simple if the show makes people stay home and watch it will not get canned ,.Hatton and the like are obviously turning the punters away they are sick of the bullshit and lies.
Now the BBBofC they have a duty to all the boxers , managers , trainers , promoters , and FANS not just the ones who fill there coffers, otherwise change its name to the BBBof PWM
TRANSLATED
British boxing board of PROMOTERS WITH MONEY.
oH AND BY THE WAY THERE LEGAL EAGLES CAN SEND ME ALL THE LETTERS THEY LIKE
Facts still remain if they would rather put a game of poker on the box than a good old fashioned boxing match, something must be going wrong, and people must be turning off, The very thing about tv and such is simple if the show makes people stay home and watch it will not get canned ,.Hatton and the like are obviously turning the punters away they are sick of the bullshit and lies.
Now the BBBofC they have a duty to all the boxers , managers , trainers , promoters , and FANS not just the ones who fill there coffers, otherwise change its name to the BBBof PWM
TRANSLATED
British boxing board of PROMOTERS WITH MONEY.
oH AND BY THE WAY THERE LEGAL EAGLES CAN SEND ME ALL THE LETTERS THEY LIKE
John Rawling is an excellent journalist, and that was an nicely written (if depressing) article. John is probably one of the most qualified people to talk about the TV side of things, given his long standing role on BBC television and radio, and if he says its not looking, then its not looking good.
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Also with this crappy 10pm Friday Night Fight 'Live' show, it's often only the main event that is live. Then we just get highlights of the undercard.REAL_DEAL wrote:John Rawling
Monday December 27, 2004
Sky's boxing magazine programme Ringside has been ditched and Saturday night Premiership action has prompted a switch for live boxing from that night to Fridays. Even Sky's leading boxing commentator Ian Darke has been told he will now also have to commentate on Premiership matches.
Such as some UK prospect KO'ing some 5-12-1 journeyman from two divisions below them. It's not looking good.
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Max Molyneux
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Just read the boxing central article about Tsyzu wanting more money if he fights Hatton in Manchester. Why the hell should it have to on at four in the morning if does happen anyway just to please the Americans? Why don't they stay up late or change there sleeping schedle for once. Didn't mind when I did to watch Danny fight Vitali cause he went to fight in America and different time zones. But if happens and it's staged in Manchester why not have it on at at a earlier time here? It would only be on in the afternoon in their time.
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but isnt that the main event of a Hatton show?KOJOE90 wrote:Such as some UK prospect KO'ing some 5-12-1 journeyman from two divisions below them.
It's not looking good.
I've said it before, I'll say it again, boxing coverage on Sky has been getting gradually worse and worse as time goes by. At no point in recent years has coverage of boxing picked up in this country, it's all a downward spiral. The only fight I've been genuinely excited about on Sky in the last year or so was De La Hoya vs Hopkins.
To start with, the British scene is an absolute joke. It's in a terrible state. I was looking forward to September of this year, the so called 'new season' of boxing. But it started with an overrated (by Sky pundits) Welsh cruiserweight widely beating a bum and week after week it's been the same story. I will be honest now and say that after one of the push over jobs (it was so un-memorable I can't remember which one) I haven't watched Sky boxing since. I didn't watch Calzaghe's last fight, I didn't watch Skelton either. The only British fights I've seen recently are the ones from the Klitschko/Williams card which I regretted buying afterwards.
Sky have also totally forgotten about the American scene. Okay, we've seen Morales about 100 times this year on a Sunday morning at 9am but where are the big fights? Corrales vs Freitas? Mayorga vs Trinidad? Tarver vs Johnson? The list goes on. What is going on? Boxing is truly dying in this country and soon the only way we'll get to see any is by either downloading it or watching people like Corrie Sanders destroy Russian bums on Eurosport. It's a disgrace to be honest, and hearing that Sky are telling all the boxing people they will be doing different projects soon is a kick in the teeth.
Who to blame? Well I firstly blame the promoters for putting on such poor shows, matching their fighters against lacklustre opposition and being totally motivated by money. Then I blame the fighters for going along with it. Finally I blame Sky TV for ruining the sport with their awful coverage.
To start with, the British scene is an absolute joke. It's in a terrible state. I was looking forward to September of this year, the so called 'new season' of boxing. But it started with an overrated (by Sky pundits) Welsh cruiserweight widely beating a bum and week after week it's been the same story. I will be honest now and say that after one of the push over jobs (it was so un-memorable I can't remember which one) I haven't watched Sky boxing since. I didn't watch Calzaghe's last fight, I didn't watch Skelton either. The only British fights I've seen recently are the ones from the Klitschko/Williams card which I regretted buying afterwards.
Sky have also totally forgotten about the American scene. Okay, we've seen Morales about 100 times this year on a Sunday morning at 9am but where are the big fights? Corrales vs Freitas? Mayorga vs Trinidad? Tarver vs Johnson? The list goes on. What is going on? Boxing is truly dying in this country and soon the only way we'll get to see any is by either downloading it or watching people like Corrie Sanders destroy Russian bums on Eurosport. It's a disgrace to be honest, and hearing that Sky are telling all the boxing people they will be doing different projects soon is a kick in the teeth.
Who to blame? Well I firstly blame the promoters for putting on such poor shows, matching their fighters against lacklustre opposition and being totally motivated by money. Then I blame the fighters for going along with it. Finally I blame Sky TV for ruining the sport with their awful coverage.
Lots of reasons its going to pot...
The promoters have been getting away with putting on mismatches for way too long. Sky are also to blame as they have been demanding 'championship' boxing from the promoters which has led the fighters down the WBU/WBF/IBO/intercontinental route as most of the guys on Sky are not good enough to win a genuine title. And any prospects on Sky are often being fed so many easy fights on the way up its ridiculous. Mitchell for instance his career has been pointless to date.
Sky could easily generate more interest by firstly demanding better matches but also reviving Boxing Gold where they televise some of the classic fights that Sky already have the rights to... Eubank, Benn, Hamed and some US action - Holyfield v Bowe was on Sky. That might stir the hornets nest a little....
The promoters have been getting away with putting on mismatches for way too long. Sky are also to blame as they have been demanding 'championship' boxing from the promoters which has led the fighters down the WBU/WBF/IBO/intercontinental route as most of the guys on Sky are not good enough to win a genuine title. And any prospects on Sky are often being fed so many easy fights on the way up its ridiculous. Mitchell for instance his career has been pointless to date.
Sky could easily generate more interest by firstly demanding better matches but also reviving Boxing Gold where they televise some of the classic fights that Sky already have the rights to... Eubank, Benn, Hamed and some US action - Holyfield v Bowe was on Sky. That might stir the hornets nest a little....
most annoying thing is,that any hardcore fans would and have seen this coming for maybe 3 years,if us,the hardcore fans,have become disillusioned with the standard of matches,supposedly world class uk fighters being totally over protected and under matched,false (bulls**t) promises etc then you can"t blame tv companies for following us out of the sport.
certain promoters seem to be operating british boxing as a get rich quick scheme,interesting to see what happens with no tv rights/money coming in,back to small hall evenly matched crowd pleasers,hmm thought not.
its like biting the hand that feeds you,and the tv companies have bitten back much harder.i know we"re not supposed to mention names,i"m sure most of you know who this is aimed at.
certain promoters seem to be operating british boxing as a get rich quick scheme,interesting to see what happens with no tv rights/money coming in,back to small hall evenly matched crowd pleasers,hmm thought not.
its like biting the hand that feeds you,and the tv companies have bitten back much harder.i know we"re not supposed to mention names,i"m sure most of you know who this is aimed at.
At the end of the day if the Tysu fights doen't come off which I think it won't Hatton and Warren only have themselves to blame as Hatton has hardly made himself the biggest attraction around outside of Manchester fighting the diet of Lightweights and over 35s like he has!.
Lets face it if we were Kostya who would we rather face?... Hatton or Maywaether or Gatti?.... Hatton is actually prob the easiest fight for Kostya but also the smallest... personally I'd much rather see him fight Gatti or Mayweather.... both these fighters deserve a shot at Kostya more than Hatton!... and what arrogance on the part of Hattons camp to expect Kostya to come to Manchester!!!.
Take it from me Warren and HATTON do not even want Kostya themselves and are praying that Kostya takes the bigger fights on offer and is stripped of the IBF title!... damn shame that we arte seeing the end of big time boxing in Britain now and those to blame are the greedy promoters who have filled our screens with mickeymouse titles and mickeymouse fights and sucked the blood and credibility out of our sport!.
Lets face it if we were Kostya who would we rather face?... Hatton or Maywaether or Gatti?.... Hatton is actually prob the easiest fight for Kostya but also the smallest... personally I'd much rather see him fight Gatti or Mayweather.... both these fighters deserve a shot at Kostya more than Hatton!... and what arrogance on the part of Hattons camp to expect Kostya to come to Manchester!!!.
Take it from me Warren and HATTON do not even want Kostya themselves and are praying that Kostya takes the bigger fights on offer and is stripped of the IBF title!... damn shame that we arte seeing the end of big time boxing in Britain now and those to blame are the greedy promoters who have filled our screens with mickeymouse titles and mickeymouse fights and sucked the blood and credibility out of our sport!.
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OUCH!!!neil r wrote:but isnt that the main event of a Hatton show?KOJOE90 wrote:Such as some UK prospect KO'ing some 5-12-1 journeyman from two divisions below them.
It's not looking good.
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Twinkle Toes
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I lay the blame squarely at the door of SKY. They have the power to impose better match ups, but have let themselves be dictated to by the people they are paying - What a strange situation, and I hope they have a firmer contract next time around (if there is a next time)
It is easy to blame the promoters and managers, but they are just doing their job, and looking out for their boxers and at the same time lining their own pockets.
What is a shame is that these same people are too far up their own arseholes to see that they are ruining boxing in this country.
It's a sad state of affairs.
It is easy to blame the promoters and managers, but they are just doing their job, and looking out for their boxers and at the same time lining their own pockets.
What is a shame is that these same people are too far up their own arseholes to see that they are ruining boxing in this country.
It's a sad state of affairs.
wouldnt the security guys not let them in? 4am is a wank time anyway zoo not that popular in the states so i dont think the viewing figures will make much differences.FlawedGenius wrote:If a Tszyu - Hatton fight does happen at 0400 in Manchester, will alot of the fans not be seriously leathered?
PUB - CLUB - M.E.N - RICKY SMASHED UP - RIOT.....
REAL_DEAL wrote:wouldnt the security guys not let them in? 4am is a wank time anyway zoo not that popular in the states so i dont think the viewing figures will make much differences.FlawedGenius wrote:If a Tszyu - Hatton fight does happen at 0400 in Manchester, will alot of the fans not be seriously leathered?
PUB - CLUB - M.E.N - RICKY SMASHED UP - RIOT.....
What makes you say he's not popular in the states?