Top 5 Heavyweight results I CAN'T believe!!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 28 Dec 2004, 14:11

When looking through fighters records sometimes you come across a result that really stands out and you think to yourself "How on earth did he lose to that guy????". Sometimes the reasons are obvious such as age, inactivity etc. Sometimes with a bit of research you find other reasons such as drink and drug addiction.

Even taking these factors into account here are my top 5 modern Heavyweight I CAN'T BELIEVE HE LOST TO HIM list.

(1) Leon Spink LKO1 John Carlo. 22/10/94. Ok Spinks was old and shot, but even so a former Olympic Champion and former Heavyweight Champion losing to a club fighter making his Pro debut is still a mad result.

(2) Jimmy Young LPTS8 Chuck Gardner. 15/10/86. Young was one of the most skilled heavyweights of the 1970's but by 1986 drink and drugs had taken the fight out of him. But losing on points to a poor club fighter who got KO'd early by every other fighter he fought with a pulse is a sad result.

(3) Razor Rudduck LTKO7 David Jaco. 30/04/94. Big punching Heavweight prospect retires on his stool against constant loser Jaco. Razor said he had breathing problems. But this is still an embarrising result.

(4) Ron Lyle LKO2 Lynn Ball. 12/12/79. Big punching heavyweight contender Lyle may have been on the slide at this point in his career but getting KO'd by a journeyman like Ball is still a shock result.

(5) Earnie Shavers LKO2 Brian Yates. 24/11/95. Shavers was an all time KO puncher but on this comeback he was an old man trying to get a big money showdown with fellow puncher Foreman. But getting KO'd by one of the world poorest Heavyweight of the 1990's was a terrible way to end a glorious career.

Anyone see any of these fights? Any other information, thoughts opinions etc?

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 28 Dec 2004, 15:52

Ive seen the Ruddock-Jaco fight. Ruddock was nailing Jaco with his best shots and Jaco just kept coming and giving better than he was taking. He was beating the hell out of Ruddock on the ropes when the round ended and Ruddock quit.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 28 Dec 2004, 16:30

klompton wrote:Ive seen the Ruddock-Jaco fight. Ruddock was nailing Jaco with his best shots and Jaco just kept coming and giving better than he was taking. He was beating the hell out of Ruddock on the ropes when the round ended and Ruddock quit.

Ruddock has always suffered from a very serious asthma affliction - he suffered an attack in this fight.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 29 Dec 2004, 03:11

That was the story anyway....

Athsma doesnt makes you winded, it doesnt make your punches have no effect on your opponent or inhibit your ability to slip punches or absorb their effects. He just got his ass kicked and his management needed a story quick.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 29 Dec 2004, 13:54

It doesn`t make you winded????? That`s news.

An asthma attack doesn`t make your punches lose their sting????? That is also news.

Apparently you don`t know anybody with asthma.

Anyway, Whatever.

I forgot that you`re the one who`s right even when you`re wrong.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 30 Dec 2004, 00:10

Everybody has an excuse when they lose and this was Ruddocks. He was getting his ass beat by a guy who he was supposed to smash and he quit. Period.

zurdo · Post by **zurdo** » 30 Dec 2004, 03:11

klompton wrote:Everybody has an excuse when they lose and this was Ruddocks. He was getting his ass beat by a guy who he was supposed to smash and he quit. Period.

True enough perhaps but Ruddock came back from that embarassing debacle to have a pretty decent career.

A lot of top fighters have had hiccups like Ruddock did early on..

Earnie Shavers was like 55 years old at the time..

Leon was hitting the bottle and the pipe a little too much, perhaps

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Dec 2004, 13:02

zurdo wrote:Earnie Shavers was like 55 years old at the time..

Leon was hitting the bottle and the pipe a little too much, perhaps

Your right I am sure, but I am sure you agree that results still look strange on such fine fighters records.

How the mighty have fallen etc.

neil r · Post by **neil r** » 30 Dec 2004, 13:14

klompton wrote:That was the story anyway....

Athsma doesnt makes you winded, it doesnt make your punches have no effect on your opponent or inhibit your ability to slip punches or absorb their effects.

this is true, but then not being able to breathe correctly, does!

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 30 Dec 2004, 13:50

klompton wrote:Everybody has an excuse when they lose and this was Ruddocks. He was getting his ass beat by a guy who he was supposed to smash and he quit. Period.

Everybody has an excuse - or a reason. There is a difference.

Ruddock has had a history or asthma , which, despite your belief does make you winded and does take considerable sting off your punches.

Besides, he was in his 12 or 13 pro fight - there is never guarantee that a novice is "supposed to smash" anybody.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 30 Dec 2004, 16:00

This novice was a fighting a guy with a terrible losing record and this novice had been one of the best amateur heavyweights in the world.

As for his documented asthma: show me documentation. Just because he uses asthma as an excuse for his losses or bad performances doesnt mean its "documented". So show me the documentation, particularly BEFORE this bout.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 30 Dec 2004, 16:20

Now you need documentation. You said you saw the fight - who was winning?

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 30 Dec 2004, 16:21

Besides, didn`t you just deny that asthma would effect a fighter???? If that`s the case then why would documentation even be necessary.

Why don`t you show me documenation that an asthma attack would not have any adverse effects on a fighter.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 30 Dec 2004, 16:27

As for Jaco`s record. I just check. He has only three losses at the time that he faced the novice, Ruddock.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 30 Dec 2004, 16:39

An asthma attack would of course effect a fighter in the ring-severe shortness of breath affects any physical activity, esp. one when your body tenses up from the fear of getting hit.

Now with all that said, I don't buy that Ruddock had any serious case of asthma. If it was that severe, he would've had other instances of it later on, and to my knowledge that never happened.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 30 Dec 2004, 20:28

jimbob wrote:I dunno, asthma is pretty unpredictable. Its also very managable. If you do the right excercise and things, to increase your lung capacity and keep your airways nice and healthy, within a few years, you can reach a point where you hardly suffer any ill effects at all.

It's very possible he was a sickly child with very bad asthma, but learnt to cope with it. It's always still going to be there, so the occasional relapse may happen.

Perhaps. I had a good case of asthma when I was a kid but by the time I was 13-14, I never got any more attacks. I ran high school track with no problem but the first time I sparred I had a short relapse b/c I got too tense. A few more sessions and that problem went away as well. So with the experience Ruddock already had, it would seem odd for him to have a relapse in that fight, esp. against such an 'unintimidating' guy such as Jaco. If what Klomp says is right, when he realised the guy wouldn't go down from his best shots he maybe had a panic attack (in accordence with asthma) al la Wladimir Klit vs Brewster . . .

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 31 Dec 2004, 02:51

Im not the one saying he suffered an asthma attack. It was said that he suffered from a well documented asthma problem. I said show me this documentation. It wasnt documented before the Jaco fight and I dont remember it causing him any problems AFTER. Excuses are like assholes, everybody has one.

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 03 Jan 2005, 10:38

Just a case of somebody that doesn't like Ruddock and never saw him fight prior to Tyson and another who thinks he is an expert on asthma because he thinks he had it once. Just ignore these boobs, they pop up everywhere.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 03 Jan 2005, 13:58

Cap wrote:Just a case of somebody that doesn't like Ruddock and never saw him fight prior to Tyson and another who thinks he is an expert on asthma because he thinks he had it once. Just ignore these boobs, they pop up everywhere.

Thank you.

Bottomline: Klompton thinks he`s an expert on everything. He`s lack of knowledge is evident on this particular topic just as it was on the thread where he was implying that Jack Johnson was a criminal without acknowledging the fact that the laws of the time were geared make Blacks and other people who were not White Christians act out in order to elevate themselves to third class status. Those laws were designed to keep the oppressed down and were unjust.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 03 Jan 2005, 16:12

Hey robot show me one instance where it was mentioned Ruddock had asthma BEFORE he lost to Jaco. The man had a long and distinguished amateur career it shouldnt be that tough. If you cant post it then Ill assume your excuse is just that. Ive seen the fight he got his ass kicked plain and simple.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 03 Jan 2005, 16:55

klompton wrote:Hey robot show me one instance where it was mentioned Ruddock had asthma BEFORE he lost to Jaco. The man had a long and distinguished amateur career it shouldnt be that tough. If you cant post it then Ill assume your excuse is just that. Ive seen the fight he got his ass kicked plain and simple.

Yeah , yeah , yeah. I guess everybody who has been sick or had a bout of an ailment act up on them in the ring is making excuse simply because it suits some, not so secret agenda that you`ve got.

Let`s just forget the fact you said that the novice Ruddock was fighting a guy with a losing record. Let`s forget that you said that Asthma doesn`t effect a fighters wind and let`s forget that you have ignored the fact that I asked you who was winning the fight before it was stopped.

The fact that there are no documents on the internet to prove that Ruddock had asthma just means that , I personally am not privvy to that information. It doens`t mean that it his asthma was not effecting him. You`re making an ass of yourself.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 03 Jan 2005, 18:11

You said it was documented now back it up, thats a simple way to prove your point.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 04 Jan 2005, 14:02

klompton wrote:You said it was documented now back it up, thats a simple way to prove your point.

You said that Ruddock "quit, period." why don`t you pack up yours?

Stop acting like a know-it-all.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 04 Jan 2005, 15:42

The film of the fight and the record backs me up. Unless you have proof otherwise then we have to accept it at face value. Ill be waiting for your non existent proof of his non existent asthma.

humanrobot · Post by **humanrobot** » 04 Jan 2005, 17:33

No. The film of the fight does not back you up. And the record proves that he doesn`t have asthma? This I have to see.