Lennox Lewis V

[ThatOne]

Sonny Liston

Floyd Patterson

Muhammad Ali

Joe Frazier

Ron Lyle

Ken Norton

Earnie Shavers

[Goodnight, Irene]

Liston KO5 Lewis

Lewis KO4 Patterson

Ali UD15 Lewis

Frazier TKO11 Lewis

Lewis TKO9 Lyle

Lewis MD12 Norton

Lewis KO2 Shavers

The toughest decision was with the Norton fight. I can see either man winning on a close decision, & I think it possible Lewis gets Norton out of there inside the distance. I'm going with Lewis' reach, weight & power advantage in that one.

[Roars Like Me]

I would have thought Lewis would have kept Frazier off fairly easily...

[Goodnight, Irene]

I would have thought Lewis would have kept Frazier off fairly easily...

His size, & jab (when Lewis was throwing thirty-plus jabs a round, i.e. when the best Lewis showed up) would be hell on Frazier. What would be hell on Lewis was the fact his conditioning wasn't up to what Frazier would attempt to put him through. He'd be dependent on size, reach, power, & a lot of clinching to avoid being out-worked & plain old driven to exhaustion by Frazier's work-rate (Hell, an overweight Mercer left a near-prime Lewis absolutely gasping for air --- he looked at times like a fish on the floor).

I think Frazier gets through eventually, & Lewis just can't keep pace.

[Ezzard]

I would have thought Lewis would have kept Frazier off fairly easily...

His size, & jab (when Lewis was throwing thirty-plus jabs a round, i.e. when the best Lewis showed up) would be hell on Frazier. What would be hell on Lewis was the fact his conditioning wasn't up to what Frazier would attempt to put him through. He'd be dependent on size, reach, power, & a lot of clinching to avoid being out-worked & plain old driven to exhaustion by Frazier's work-rate (Hell, an overweight Mercer left a near-prime Lewis absolutely gasping for air --- he looked at times like a fish on the floor).

I think Frazier gets through eventually, & Lewis just can't keep pace.

Lewis could catch him early, in fact he has a good chance of doing so, but even so I think Irene is right. Few HW's from the past 20 could live with the pace Frazier would set.

[Ezzard]

Lots of intabgibles in Liston-Lewis. Not sure how Sonny would react to taking on such a big man and not having such great physical advantages.

Lewis could be out-jabbed and I can see this happening in many rounds.

I'd have to say Liston wins TKO 11.

Lewis KOs Paterson within the first 5-6 rounds.

Ali should win a decision 144-141

Frazier WTKO 14

Lewis KO's Lyle and Shavers in the mid rounds.

Lewis either stops Norton in 2 OR they engage in a 15 round thriller. Norton has Lewis out on his feet at the end but Lewis holds on for the decision.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Liston KO 4 Lewis

Lewis KO1 Patterson

Lewis SD15 Ali

Frazier KO13 Lewis

Lewis UD 15 Lyle

Lewis SD15 Norton

Shavers KO2 Lewis

The only picks I would be real confident with are Liston & Patterson. The others could easily flip flop.

[The Great John L]

Sonny Liston has problems with Lewis size and reach but is able to take charge in the mid rounds as Lewis tires. Lewis hangs on but loses a UD.

Floyd Patterson gets stopped before the 4th.

Muhammad Ali gets rocked a few times, but is able to control the action in most wins to win a competitive UD.

Joe Frazier gets dropped in the first, but is able to survive the round, but still has problems and loses most of the early rounds before taking charge and making Lewis suffer in the late rounds. Frazier by SD.

Ron Lyle can't handle Lewi's jab and reach in the first half of the fight, but assumes control in the later rounds but can't quite pull it out. Lewis by close UD.

Ken Norton gets caught with a straight right and dropped at the end of the first, and then dropped twice in the second before the referee saves him. Lewis is a very bad style matchup for Norton.

Earnie Shavers has a real punchers chance, but I think Lewis would have fought Shavers similar to how he fought Tua. Shavers has his moments, but runs out of gas and is topped in the 9th round.

[BoxBuzz]

Sonny Liston has problems with Lewis size and reach but is able to take charge in the mid rounds as Lewis tires. Lewis hangs on but loses a UD.

Floyd Patterson gets stopped before the 4th.

Muhammad Ali gets rocked a few times, but is able to control the action in most wins to win a competitive UD.

Joe Frazier gets dropped in the first, but is able to survive the round, but still has problems and loses most of the early rounds before taking charge and making Lewis suffer in the late rounds. Frazier by SD.

Ron Lyle can't handle Lewi's jab and reach in the first half of the fight, but assumes control in the later rounds but can't quite pull it out. Lewis by close UD.

Ken Norton gets caught with a straight right and dropped at the end of the first, and then dropped twice in the second before the referee saves him. Lewis is a very bad style matchup for Norton.



Earnie Shavers has a real punchers chance, but I think Lewis would have fought Shavers similar to how he fought Tua. Shavers has his moments, but runs out of gas and is topped in the 9th round.

Based on how Rahman KO's this "specialist" 50% of the time and McCall KO's him 40% of the time,

I think Sonny KO's him 100% of the time. But the more skilled fighters here with the better right hands probably do pretty well. Ali has a chance of stopping him but more likely UD. Frazier probably gets it done as well though his left might be somewhat negated. I generally like your calls on this one John L.

Could you elaborate more on your Norton analysis?

[The Great John L]

Could you elaborate more on your Norton analysis?

IMO Norton's cross armed defense made him susceptible to right hands, and Lewis certainly had a huge right hand when he was well prepared.

[jezzamundo]

Sonny Liston TKO7 Lewis - I think Liston beats Lewis 7 times out of 10.

Lewis TKO4 Floyd Patterson - Lewis beats Patterson 9 times out of 10.

Muhammad Ali UD15 Lewis - Ali beats Lewis 8 times out of 10.

Lewis TKO9 Joe Frazier - Lewis beats Frazier 7 times out of 10.

Lewis UD15 Ron Lyle - Lewis beats Lyle 7 times out of 10.

Lewis TKO7 Ken Norton - Lewis beats Norton 7 times out of 10.

Lewis TKO4 Earnie Shavers - Lewis beats Shavers 8 times out of 10.

[Roars Like Me]

I would have thought Lewis would have kept Frazier off fairly easily...

His size, & jab (when Lewis was throwing thirty-plus jabs a round, i.e. when the best Lewis showed up) would be hell on Frazier. What would be hell on Lewis was the fact his conditioning wasn't up to what Frazier would attempt to put him through. He'd be dependent on size, reach, power, & a lot of clinching to avoid being out-worked & plain old driven to exhaustion by Frazier's work-rate (Hell, an overweight Mercer left a near-prime Lewis absolutely gasping for air --- he looked at times like a fish on the floor).

I think Frazier gets through eventually, & Lewis just can't keep pace.

Lewis could catch him early, in fact he has a good chance of doing so, but even so I think Irene is right. Few HW's from the past 20 could live with the pace Frazier would set.

You both may be right and don't shoot me for the comparison but Big George didn't have much gas but he didn't really need it against Joe. Although not quite as hard hitting, Lewis's punch power is comparable and his skills are better in my opionion.
As you say Frazier could run Lewis down but equally he could knock Joe out just as devastantingly as Goerge did.

[Goodnight, Irene]

He doesn't have Foreman's killer instinct.

[Roars Like Me]

He doesn't have Foreman's killer instinct.

But you can surely entertain the fact that Lewis has the tools to see him off though?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's plausible, but not very likely. Lennox hit as hard as anybody, but in the face of aggression like Frazier's his gameplan would more than likely be fighting off of his back foot behind the jab and trying to hold on the inside. Both of those things make Frazier's eyes wide with glee.

[dempseyfire]

Norton was vulnerable to Ali's straight right, but I don't see the slower Lennox landing nearly as much. To the contrary I think Ken's style and overhand right along with his body work and conditioning would be hell on Lennox. Lewis of course has a puncher's chance early but I'd favor Norton to take 2 out of 3.

[The Great John L]

Lewis was hardly susceptible to an over hand right, and Norton seldom threw a straight punch. I think Norton's jab might cause him some problems, but I don't think Lewis would have had too many problems with Norton.

[Robinson]

Lewis vs.. prime for prime

Sonny Liston
Lewis gets the decison, it has good moments and alot of jab exchanges
at range. Lewis muscles Liston on the inside and it is in the later rounds
that Liston slows up. In the end the decision goes to Lewis.

Lewis UD

Floyd Patterson
I dont want to say it, but Patterson no doubt gets KOd as quick as his
fighter, Ruddock did in 1991. Sorry Floyd.

Muhammad Ali
I think this would be a good fight. Ali needs to move, and with his movement
he frustrates Lewis. Both guys fight a tentative bout, trying to establish the
jab. Lewis's jab slows up as the fight goes on, Ali does go to the ropes, and it
is here that he takes punishment.

Ali MD

Joe Frazier
Frazier gets on the inside and lands well, but Lewis smothers him, leans on
him and over powers him often. In the 3rd round Lewis is able to land some
hard shots behind his jab and while Frazier is able to go to the body well,
though most landing on Lewis high groin guard.... an aggressive and KO
hungry Frazier is dropped twice before the ref stops in in the 6th.

Lewis Ko/

Ron Lyle
This would be a good match, I can see it in some ways playing out much
like Lewis vs Tucker in 1994. Lyle makes it to the end or is TKOd late.

Ken Norton
I think Lewis stops Ken after Norton himself lands some hard shots as counters.
I see either Norton landing the money shot and KOing Lewis....or...,. most likely
Lewis stops Norton.

Earnie Shavers
Either Lewis stops Shavers in 5 or so rounds, with his hard thumping shots,
or Shavers lands that big one that mcCall and Rahman found on Lewis' chin.
The right hand that Shavers throws is tailor made for a Lewis ko.

[thunderfromdownunder]

i think GI was spot on in regrads to lewis v frazier.
i do think tho that lewis beats the 70,s version of ali and losses a close one to the 60,s version. i think styleswise lewis matches up well with ali.
the norton fight is a tough one but i lean towards lewis by decsion or maybe late tko after a real war

[Goodnight, Irene]

He doesn't have Foreman's killer instinct.

But you can surely entertain the fact that Lewis has the tools to see him off though?

Yes, I can. I don't think it's unreasonable to argue Lewis beats Frazier. I don't think it'd be easy if he did, however.

[Roars Like Me]

He doesn't have Foreman's killer instinct.

But you can surely entertain the fact that Lewis has the tools to see him off though?

Yes, I can. I don't think it's unreasonable to argue Lewis beats Frazier. I don't think it'd be easy if he did, however.

I can see the argument for Frazier to as Lewis can be very cautious when it comes to knocking someone out when he has them reeling -Tyson being a prime example. If he had Frazier going and didn't finish it, he could be in trouble during the later rounds.