COLIN HART ONCE AGAIN

[jamesmcdonnell]

Colin Hart needs to get with the times, we are now living in the present and David Haye is the future.

Ali was a great fighter but his time has been and Boxing has moved on.

Well Haye is certainly the present - in the sense he is a belt holder - it's yet to be seen whether he represents any kind of future for the division.

[landon]

the british public love to see people fail and as soon as we hav a winner we critise them to the hilt, haye box the correct fight and won, ok it was a stinker but he did the job so lets applaud him. colin hart is a ball bag naz was right wat he said b 4 mcculloch fight, hart needs to get with the programme talking bollocks all the time i dont even read his crap

[gobbles]

I think that as much as Hart might get criticised, he has a fair point. James Lawton made similar points.

It was a dreadful fight, and a terrible performance from both men - and it represents one of the low points in the history of heavyweight title fights.

Yes, it's nice to have a british fighter holding one of the heavyweight belts - but lets not be effusive here - it wasn't a great performance and Haye has to beat one of the Klitchskos if he wants to be considered one of the main men at heavyweight.

The heavyweight division is appalling at the moment - worse even than the late 80's before Tyson came along, Vitali and Wlad are so far ahead of all the leading contenders it's ridiculous, and neither man would have have dominated anything 10-15 years ago. They are merely the best in mediocre era.

James Lawton is an old fool with the boxing knowledge. Here is a line from his column which shows how naive he is:
"Promoter allegedly, who has no vested interest in Haye's suddenly high-earning capacity, on this occasion found himself able to take a more detached look at a fight situation."

Last year Lawton put down Joe Calzaghe in similar style, essentially saying that his performances were nothing compared to Tommy Farr's campaigns in America. Farr's record in America? Five fights, five defeats.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like shit himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

[Carbo]

Carbo, my mistake, should have said in terms of quality I think the lit field is weak now. Come one now, sales etc are a bit too concrete for me to deal with.

Well, on the literary front, I'm not exactly ready for the panel of that late night review program on BBC2 with Tony Parsons and Mark Lawson, so I might be completely wrong when I say this, but I would argue that there's plenty of excellent literature around these days. Some of the work done by Indian and Pakistani authors in the English language is fabulous, and I just read On Chesil Beach, by Ian McEwan, with which I was very impressed. I've also read some Cormack McCarthy of late, who seems to me to write magical (and violent) fables about America in the stoic-realism style of Hemmingway.

I think you just need to look beyond the boxing autobiographies...

In terms of sales, I haven't a clue.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

[Carbo]

Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

You think he's wrong?

I don't.

A young Tyson might have had some success because of his style, but he wouldn't have been able to keep the pace going for 15 rounds the way Frazier did.

[Carbo]

Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

Grrr, I knew I should have waited for someone to say it better.

[stujones]

Doesn't Eurosport have a gap to fill with Gutteridge gone?

Whining and naysaying in relative obscurity would be a perfect fit for Hart.

???? Not sure I understand. Gutteridge never commentated on Eurosport. Hart did very breifly.

[leforge]

He an old fart end of story! Also other publications said the fight had about 800,000 buys hes ays half. The sun have two out of touch boxing writers!

[charlieb]

Doesn't Eurosport have a gap to fill with Gutteridge gone?

Whining and naysaying in relative obscurity would be a perfect fit for Hart.

???? Not sure I understand. Gutteridge never commentated on Eurosport. Hart did very breifly.

Steve Holdsworth? Is that the one I'm thinking of? Rarely has a good word to say about what he sees.

[Matt W]

Carbo, my mistake, should have said in terms of quality I think the lit field is weak now. Come one now, sales etc are a bit too concrete for me to deal with.

Well, on the literary front, I'm not exactly ready for the panel of that late night review program on BBC2 with Tony Parsons and Mark Lawson, so I might be completely wrong when I say this, but I would argue that there's plenty of excellent literature around these days. Some of the work done by Indian and Pakistani authors in the English language is fabulous, and I just read On Chesil Beach, by Ian McEwan, with which I was very impressed. I've also read some Cormack McCarthy of late, who seems to me to write magical (and violent) fables about America in the stoic-realism style of Hemmingway.

I think you just need to look beyond the boxing autobiographies...

In terms of sales, I haven't a clue.

I'm not blown away by McEwan, McCarthy also, though my girlfriend is a big fan. The general level has gone down. Our best, the names mention, cannot hold a candle to some of the stuff that preceded them. Peace's quintet was amazing but nothing else really grabs me by the ghoulies. Consequently, I'm ready The Castle for the third time and have whirled through The Trial again. A lot of new literature leaves a lot to be desired.

On McEwan I was underwhelmed by Saturday but on a friends recommendation was impressed with On Chesil Beach and may explore some of his other stuff.

[Carbo]

Carbo, my mistake, should have said in terms of quality I think the lit field is weak now. Come one now, sales etc are a bit too concrete for me to deal with.

Well, on the literary front, I'm not exactly ready for the panel of that late night review program on BBC2 with Tony Parsons and Mark Lawson, so I might be completely wrong when I say this, but I would argue that there's plenty of excellent literature around these days. Some of the work done by Indian and Pakistani authors in the English language is fabulous, and I just read On Chesil Beach, by Ian McEwan, with which I was very impressed. I've also read some Cormack McCarthy of late, who seems to me to write magical (and violent) fables about America in the stoic-realism style of Hemmingway.

I think you just need to look beyond the boxing autobiographies...

In terms of sales, I haven't a clue.

I'm not blown away by McEwan, McCarthy also, though my girlfriend is a big fan. The general level has gone down. Our best, the names mention, cannot hold a candle to some of the stuff that preceded them. Peace's quintet was amazing but nothing else really grabs me by the ghoulies. Consequently, I'm ready The Castle for the third time and have whirled through The Trial again. A lot of new literature leaves a lot to be desired.

I'll have to beg to differ on McEwan, then. I think he writes beautifully.

Not qualified to make a judgement of the quality through the ages, I'm afraid.

[Deserter]

The general level has gone down. Our best, the names mention, cannot hold a candle to some of the stuff that preceded them... A lot of new literature leaves a lot to be desired.

Terry, absolutely no offence meant, but I did find this dreadfully ironic given the thrust of the thread.... you're sounding like a literary equivalent of Colin Hart

[Top Dog]

Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

Tyson was in no kinda shape when he fought Douglas, FACT. A prime Tyson would have torn into Ali BIG time, if Our 'Enry could come within a whisker of ko'ing Ali then tyson would have obliterated him.

[Top Dog]

Colin Hart claimed that Ali would have toyed with Tyson when he was commentating on the Tyson V Douglas fight.

Hart looks at things through rose tinted glasses.

Naz was horrid to Darke in Altlantic City...............but Naz is a hypocrite - he treated people like poop himself

First Warren and then Enzo Calzaghe and Enzo Macc and now Colin Hart - refusing to give Haye credit for big wins.

Whats so silly about saying Ali would have toyed with Tyson? It's quite possible. Tyson never faced anyone with Ali's speed, toughness and overall skill level.

Ali did have speed but done most of his work on the back foot, almost like DIRRELL, cluster of quick soft punches then clinch, now that is FACT, most of the heavyweights he fought were really small in comparison, most of them wouldnt make heavyweight now, and would struggle to make Cruiser! He had tons of trouble with Frazer, and prime Tyson was a lot faster and harder hitting than Joe

[FLINT ISLAND]

Ali would have been in a whole world of trouble against Tyson

Tyson was alot smarter a fighter than a clueless Foreman who just punched himself out hitting arms.

[TerribleTerry]

Frazier was no slouch. He'd have given Tyson tons of problems. His hooking was shorter than Mike's and in his pomp Joe would have been on Tyson's chest. I think Frazier would have been in with a shot against Tyson.

With his tenacity, resilience and unquenchable thirst for combat, Frazier would have had more than a shot at Iron Mike. He would have beaten the snot out of him.

[states]

Ali did have speed but done most of his work on the back foot, almost like DIRRELL, cluster of quick soft punches then clinch, now that is FACT, most of the heavyweights he fought were really small in comparison, most of them wouldnt make heavyweight now, and would struggle to make Cruiser! He had tons of trouble with Frazer, and prime Tyson was a lot faster and harder hitting than Joe

It takes some skill to be so wrong, in so few sentences. Well done sir.

[Goz]

I never had much respect for Hart's ramblings to be honest. People told me he was 'old school' but I never saw much in what he wrote other than tabloid headline-grabbing attention-seeking rubbish.

I've browsed his stuff and heard him on the radio and thought "I know more than you" many a time and I honestly think myself humble in that respect.

As previously mentioned and naming no names there are several guys that we are lucky enough to have posting on here who piss all over the likes of Colin Hart.

[oliverfennell]

Persoanlly think Vitali would've held his own in any era, on the other hand wladamir is far too fragile. Really surprises me more opponents dont try and jump on him, like sanders did. Easier said than done when you're having a left jab down the throat, but you get the idea.

Based on losing to Fat and Old Lewis and beating that murderer's row of devout professionals;

Fat Kirk Johnson
Fat and Old Corrie Sanders
Fat Danny Williams
Fat Sam Peter
Fat Chris Arreola

Someone illuminate me to his great moments?

Vitaly is a good heavyweight, but he's not great.

Herbie Hide was in good shape though!

[oliverfennell]

Vitaly would cause problems for any heavyweight in history, but that doesn't mean he'd be favourite to beat them. Certainly, if's doubtful that either would have been outstanding even during the 90s, which is very underrated as a heavyweight era.

The 90s is the second-best heavyweight era IMO. Consider the number of all-time or modern greats operating in it - Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, Foreman, Holmes - and the amount of times they fought each other, plus a very strong second-tier of titleholders and contenders. Furthermore a lot of diverse characters helped creare some of the biggest-selling - and best! - fights the division has seen.

[oliverfennell]

Mark kaylor lives in california, wayne mCcullough lives in vegas,
C.B.Edwards also lives in vegas..... Are they all American, you mug.
Your'e obviously a very jealous man.

Jealous of what? Did any of those guys live abroad for most of their teenage years and adult life, represent another country at the Games and fly the flag for their adopted homeland? Nope, Kaylor boxed out off London for almost his entire career you complete and utter tit. At one point an engagement in Watford would have been considered travelling abroad for a fight by Mark. Nope, Mark married an American woman, moved over there with her. He did not move there as a child, learn his trade there and represent the States at the Games.

Yes, damn that turncoat Lewis for following his single parent at the advanced age of 12 years old. Traitor.

[Carbo]

Frazier was no slouch. He'd have given Tyson tons of problems. His hooking was shorter than Mike's and in his pomp Joe would have been on Tyson's chest. I think Frazier would have been in with a shot against Tyson.

Frazier might have been knocked out in a few, but he as the fight dragged on, he would have stood a fantastic chance.

Also forgotten is that Frazier was far, far more difficult to deter than Tyson, and could maintain his workrate for 15 rounds, no problem. In fact he was more dangerous in the later rounds than the early, which is definitely not the case with Tyson.

[DavidPayne]

Frazier would have broken Tyson's heart. And stopped him in the championship rounds.

Tyson was a great fighter who fought only good opponents on the whole.