Other 'little' men that could have moved up?

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Other 'little' men that could have moved up?

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Seeing the way Pacquiao has carried his punch power up through the weights made me wonder last night if other fighters might have been able to do so but we condition them so much that "you can't do, that bloke a stone heavier than you is HUGE" when in fact he isn't really that much bigger than you?

Someone like Hamed for example, I wonder had they identified a Lightweight or even Junior-Welter who wasn't too hard to hit then it could well have been lights out. What beat someone like Hamed in the long run was getting outboxed, not someone who took his best shots and exposed his punch power. I fancy Hamed probably punched as hard as Pacquiao?

Any other fighters who could have been more ambitious in moving up a weight class or three?
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Ricardo Lopez,

Like to have seen Marquez and Vasquez move to 126 when it was hot there.

Antonio Margarito has the frame to compete at 154, but I think realises he is too limited and his strength, which is his strength, would suffer.
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Georges Carpentier went from 125lbs to heavyweight, he did turn pro 14 years of age, so that would account for the rise in weight.

He started winning championships as a welterweight, winning the EBU title. He then stepped up to middle winning the EBU title there, also claiming a version of the World title in the same bout. Probably as strong a claim to a world title as any modern boxer has.
After that Georges moved anywhere between heavy and light heavy, he haunted British heavies at the time, beating them all, usually by explosive knockouts.
In this time he won EBU titles at light heavy and heavy, then won the full version of the Light heavy world crown.
And challenged Jack Dempsey for the Heavyweight crown losing in 4 rounds.

As a light heavy Carpentier beat Ted 'kid' Lewis by KO, and Lewis had started his career as a flyweight
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Old bones Ian wrote:Georges Carpentier went from 125lbs to heavyweight, he did turn pro 14 years of age, so that would account for the rise in weight.

He started winning championships as a welterweight, winning the EBU title. He then stepped up to middle winning the EBU title there, also claiming a version of the World title in the same bout. Probably as strong a claim to a world title as any modern boxer has.
After that Georges moved anywhere between heavy and light heavy, he haunted British heavies at the time, beating them all, usually by explosive knockouts.
In this time he won EBU titles at light heavy and heavy, then won the full version of the Light heavy world crown.
And challenged Jack Dempsey for the Heavyweight crown losing in 4 rounds.

As a light heavy Carpentier beat Ted 'kid' Lewis by KO, and Lewis had started his career as a flyweight

Carpentiers career is truly astounding.
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Old bones Ian wrote:Georges Carpentier went from 125lbs to heavyweight, he did turn pro 14 years of age, so that would account for the rise in weight.

He started winning championships as a welterweight, winning the EBU title. He then stepped up to middle winning the EBU title there, also claiming a version of the World title in the same bout. Probably as strong a claim to a world title as any modern boxer has.
After that Georges moved anywhere between heavy and light heavy, he haunted British heavies at the time, beating them all, usually by explosive knockouts.
In this time he won EBU titles at light heavy and heavy, then won the full version of the Light heavy world crown.
And challenged Jack Dempsey for the Heavyweight crown losing in 4 rounds.

As a light heavy Carpentier beat Ted 'kid' Lewis by KO, and Lewis had started his career as a flyweight
I thought Carpentier turned pro at flyweight?
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Post by whicker »

Its a good point- it's surprising just how restricted some careers are, even when the difference is just a few Pounds.

the key point is that being physically bigger doesn't necessarily mean you are better able to take a big punch.
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TerribleTerry wrote:
Old bones Ian wrote:Georges Carpentier went from 125lbs to heavyweight, he did turn pro 14 years of age, so that would account for the rise in weight.

He started winning championships as a welterweight, winning the EBU title. He then stepped up to middle winning the EBU title there, also claiming a version of the World title in the same bout. Probably as strong a claim to a world title as any modern boxer has.
After that Georges moved anywhere between heavy and light heavy, he haunted British heavies at the time, beating them all, usually by explosive knockouts.
In this time he won EBU titles at light heavy and heavy, then won the full version of the Light heavy world crown.
And challenged Jack Dempsey for the Heavyweight crown losing in 4 rounds.

As a light heavy Carpentier beat Ted 'kid' Lewis by KO, and Lewis had started his career as a flyweight
I thought Carpentier turned pro at flyweight?
yea he was 14 or some stupidly young age like that he won the french flyweight title if im not mistaken
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Joan Guzman at 140 :TU:
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Tom thumb. Ronnie. corbett
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