Emile Griffith

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 28 Dec 2004, 17:34

Hello Boxing World:

Emile Griffith, Triple Crown Boxing World Champion, for sure and for certain is one of the greatest fighters of all time. I think The Ring Magazine did not ranked him high enough on the their edition of "The 80 Best Fighters of The Last 80 Years" and is a CRYING SHAME!!!

They had ranked Ike Willimas, Fighting Harada, Salvador Sanchez, Gene Tunney, George Foreman, Mickey Walker, Larry Holmes and even a guy that Griffith beat twice, the great Dick Tiger ahead of him, in which to me was a total DISBELIEF.

I compared one by one Griffith's accomplishments against these other greats and Griffith to me was better. The only thing that I can see that the MAJORITY of these guys were better than the Islander was their overall pro record, in which Griffith had a great flaw. But in terms of longevity, quality of opposition, contributions and influence, awards and accomplishments and even in world records, I saw Griffith over them.

The other thing I disagree with The Ring is that they have ranked Aaron Pryor, Felix "Tito" Trinidad, Wilfredo Gomez, Miguel Canto, Tiger Flowers, Lennox Lewis and others that I cannot remember, ahead of Tommy Hearns??? NO WAY!!!

I think The Ring did not give these 2 great men, Griffith and Hearns, any JUSTICE!!!

By the way, who would have won in a fight between Tommy Hearns and Emile Griffith???

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 31 Dec 2004, 13:58

I would pick Griffith to outpoint Hearns at Welterweight.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 31 Dec 2004, 16:02

The Ring magazine has become a joke. Whoever does their fact-checking and historical research is very lazy, as they rely on myth often over fact . That being said, I can understand Tunney, Foreman, and Walker being ranked over Griffith, but probably not the others.

Trinidad ranked ahead of Hearns? They should fire themselves.

Griffith-Hearns at 147. Griffith by late TKO in a war.

JC · Post by JC » 31 Dec 2004, 18:08

Has anyone got a copy of the list?

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 03 Jan 2005, 11:16

J-C wrote:Has anyone got a copy of the list?

Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 03 Jan 2005, 12:12

elmersalsa wrote:
J-C wrote:Has anyone got a copy of the list?
Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.

I may stand alone on this one but I would not rate Ray Leonard quite so high.

Tomato-Can · Post by **Tomato-Can** » 03 Jan 2005, 15:12

KOJOE90 wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:
J-C wrote:Has anyone got a copy of the list?
Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.
I may stand alone on this one but I would not rate Ray Leonard quite so high.

You're not alone.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 03 Jan 2005, 17:51

Tomato-Can wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
elmersalsa wrote: Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.
I may stand alone on this one but I would not rate Ray Leonard quite so high.
You're not alone.

I follow both of you too, who's next after me??

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 03 Jan 2005, 17:52

Tomato-Can wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
elmersalsa wrote: Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.
I may stand alone on this one but I would not rate Ray Leonard quite so high.
You're not alone.

I follow both of you too, who's next after me???

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 03 Jan 2005, 17:53

Tomato-Can wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
elmersalsa wrote: Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.
I may stand alone on this one but I would not rate Ray Leonard quite so high.
You're not alone.

I follow both of you too, who's next after me???

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 03 Jan 2005, 17:55

Tomato-Can wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
elmersalsa wrote: Yes, I got it... I agree in some rankings, but definately not Trinidad over Hearns or Harada, Sanchez, Tunney nor Walker over Griffith.

If I can remember the first 25 were like this:

1. Ray Robinson, 2. Henry Armstrong, 3. Muhammad Ali, 4. Joe Louis, 5. Roberto Duran, 6. Willie Pep, 7. Harry Greb, 8. Benny Leonard, 9. Ray Leonard, 10. Pernell Whitaker, 11. Carlos Monzon, 12. Rocky Marciano, 13.Ezzard Charles, 14. Archie Moore, 15. Sandy Saddler, 16. Jack Dempsey, 17. Marvelous Marvin Hagler, 18. Julio Cesar Chavez, 19. Eder Jofre, 20. Alexis Arguello, 21. Barney Ross, 22. Evander Holyfield, 23. Ike Williams, 24. Salvador Sanchez, 25. George Foreman. Tomorrow I will bring 26 to 80.
I may stand alone on this one but I would not rate Ray Leonard quite so high.
You're not alone.

I follow both of you too, who's next after me???

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 04 Jan 2005, 12:41

This is the next list of fighters by The Ring of the last 80 years:

26. Kid Gavilan, 27. Larry Holmes, 28. Mickey Walker, 29. Ruben Olivares, 30. Gene Tunney, 31. Dick Tiger, 32. Fighting Harada,

33. Emile Griffith (I COMPLETELY DISAGREE...HE SHOULD BE RANKED 10 SPOTS HIGHER)

34. Tony Canzoneri, 35. Aaron Pryor, 36. Pascual Perez, 37. Miguel Canto, 38. Manuel Ortiz, 39. Charley Burley, 40. Carmen Basilio, 41. Michael Spinks, 42. Joe Frazier, 43. Koxai Galaxy, 44. Roy Jones, Jr., 45. Tiger Flowers???, 46. Panama Al Brown, 47. Kid Chocolate,

48. Joe Brown,

49. Tommy Loughran, (I completely disagree...He shall be also ranked 10 spots higher at least)

50. Bernard Hopkins, 51. Felix "Tito" Trinidad??? NO WAY!!! HE SHOULD BE RANKED MUCH LOWER!!!, 52. Jake LaMotta??? NO WAY EITHER!!! 53. Lennox Lewis, 54. Wilfredo Gomez, 55. Bob Foster, 56. Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles, 57. Billy Conn, 58. Jimmy McLarnin, 59. Pancho Villa, 60. Carlos Ortiz, 61. Bob Montgomery,

62. Freddie Miller???...NO WAY!!! He should be at least a top 40 fighter!!!
63. Benny Lynch, 64. Beau Jack, 65. Azumah Nelson, 66. Eusebio Pedroza,

67. Thomas Hearns???...NO WAY!!! HE SHOULD BE AT LEAST IN THE TOP 40 or 50

68. Wilfred Benitez, 69. Antonio Cervantes, 70. Ricardo Lopez??? Definately he should be in the top 50

71. Sonny Liston, 72. Mike Tyson, 73. Vicente Saldivar, 74. Gene Fullmer, 75. Oscar DeLahoya, 76. Carlos Zarate, 77. Marcel Cerdan, 78. Flash Elorde, 79. Mike McCallum and 80.Harold Johnson

Boy, did they forgot Nino Benvenutti too???

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 04 Jan 2005, 13:35

I would have maybe put both Azumah Nelson and Marcel Cerdan a little higher.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 04 Jan 2005, 13:36

I've just noticed no Richardo Lopez, that's awfull.