Jimmy Ellis vs

[Robinson]

Before That One does it..

How does, in your opinions, Jimmy Ellis at his best fair against
these men, also at their best.


Harold Johnson

Chris Byrd

Jimmy Young

James Tillis

Eddie Machen

Zora Folley

James Toney

Doug Jones

Marvis Frazier

Orlin Norris

Carlos De Leon

Dwight Qawi

Leon Spinks


Sorry for having a big list...

[ThatOne]

Before That One does it..

How does, in your opinions, Jimmy Ellis at his best fair against
these men, also at their best.


Harold Johnson

Jimmy Ellis UD 15

Chris Byrd

Jimmy Ellis UD 15-Two skilled boxers. The marginally stronger one wins- Jimmy Ellis

Jimmy Young

See Above

James Tillis

Jimmy Ellis -SD 15

Eddie Machen

Jimmy Ellis -UD 15

Zora Folley

Jimmy Ellis-UD 15

James Toney-

Interesting fight between fighters who came up in weight. I will go with the more skilled Jimmy Ellis- UD 15

Doug Jones

Jimmy Ellis- UD 15

Marvis Frazier

Jimmy Ellis- TKO-7

Orlin Norris

Jimmy Ellis TKO 7

Carlos De Leon

Jimmy Ellis- UD 15

Dwight Qawi-

Jimmy Ellis-UD 15

Leon Spinks

Jimmy Ellis- TKO-4


Sorry for having a big list...



Michael Spinks

Jimmy Ellis -UD 15

[Mr E]

Jimmy Ellis:

L15 to Harold Johnson (close)

L15 to Chris Byrd (close)

L15 to Jimmy Young (close)

W15 over James Quick Tillis

W15 over Eddie Machen (close)

W15 over Zora Folley (close)

W15 over James Toney

W15 over Doug Jones

TKO 10 over Marvis Frazier

W15 over Orlin Norris

TKO 11 over Carlos Sugar De Leon

W15 over Dwight (Braxton) Muhammad Qawi

TKO7 over Leon Spinks

[dempseyfire]

Ellis loses to Chris Byrd??? Huh???

[Mr E]

Ellis loses to Chris Byrd??? Huh???

By all means, articulate your argument regarding why that result would shock you.

[dempseyfire]

Ellis loses to Chris Byrd??? Huh???

By all means, articulate your argument regarding why that result would shock you.

B/c Byrd did awful vs other fast, skilled fighters. Even Klitschko gave Byrd problems with his speed as much as his size. Byrd looked good vs slow footed Tua, Golota, McCline but vs the likes of Castillo, Oquendo, Povetkin and George he looked average at best.

Ellis on the other hand was never 'out-slicked' at heavyweight. He's just as fast and skilled as Byrd but a much harder puncher.

Sorry, just surprised at the credit Byrd is getting in these fantasy matchups. I was actually a fan but he did well b/c he was in an era of stamina-challenged big men who were not very well schooled for the most part. Vs heavyweights as fast and skilled as he is his whole gameplan to frustrate and tire guys out goes right out the window.

[Robinson]

having watched Byrd vs Mo Harris not that long ago, I am of the
opinion that Byrd would struggle with Ellis. The fight would be
boring as such, but I think Ellis would have a speed edge and
would find spots to hit on the always elusive Byrd.

Close run fight, but I think Ellis wins the decision.

[Mr E]

Ellis loses to Chris Byrd??? Huh???

By all means, articulate your argument regarding why that result would shock you.

B/c Byrd did awful vs other fast, skilled fighters. Even Klitschko gave Byrd problems with his speed as much as his size. Byrd looked good vs slow footed Tua, Golota, McCline but vs the likes of Castillo, Oquendo, Povetkin and George he looked average at best.

Ellis on the other hand was never 'out-slicked' at heavyweight. He's just as fast and skilled as Byrd but a much harder puncher.

Sorry, just surprised at the credit Byrd is getting in these fantasy matchups. I was actually a fan but he did well b/c he was in an era of stamina-challenged big men who were not very well schooled for the most part. Vs heavyweights as fast and skilled as he is his whole gameplan to frustrate and tire guys out goes right out the window.

Oh, I'm not saying it couldn't go the other way. Ellis was a darn good fighter.

Byrd filled out pretty well-- he wasn't just a blown up middleweight as a lot of people think, he was a pretty strong 220 pounder at his best and he also had some skills and speed. He looked very good against Vitaly and Tua, though those guys didn't fight anything like Ellis, obviously.

Thinking it over, I had a notion that the two of them would come off about even on the outside but that Byrd would use his superior weight and strength to bull Ellis around when they came together, maybe tire him out a little. Again, could go either way -- but I don't think it's a mismatch in Ellis's favor, that's for sure.

At the end of the day, I respect both of these guys and I think they are both a little under-rated.

[The Great John L]

Harold Johnson, Ellis close UD

Chris Byrd, Ellis UD

Jimmy Young, Young UD

James Tillis, Ellis TKO late

Eddie Machen, Machen UD

Zora Folley, Ellis mid rounds stoppage

James Toney, Ellis UD

Doug Jones, Ellis UD

Marvis Frazier, Draw

Orlin Norris, Ellis close UD

Carlos De Leon, Ellis mid rounds stoppage

Dwight Qawi, Ellis close UD

Leon Spinks, Ellis late rounds stoppage

[harrygreb]

sorry, that list is just too long and i cant be arsed

[Robinson]

It is a long list I know.... and I was tempted to add some more match ups
also ;)

[dempseyfire]

Ellis loses to Chris Byrd??? Huh???

By all means, articulate your argument regarding why that result would shock you.

B/c Byrd did awful vs other fast, skilled fighters. Even Klitschko gave Byrd problems with his speed as much as his size. Byrd looked good vs slow footed Tua, Golota, McCline but vs the likes of Castillo, Oquendo, Povetkin and George he looked average at best.

Ellis on the other hand was never 'out-slicked' at heavyweight. He's just as fast and skilled as Byrd but a much harder puncher.

Sorry, just surprised at the credit Byrd is getting in these fantasy matchups. I was actually a fan but he did well b/c he was in an era of stamina-challenged big men who were not very well schooled for the most part. Vs heavyweights as fast and skilled as he is his whole gameplan to frustrate and tire guys out goes right out the window.

Oh, I'm not saying it couldn't go the other way. Ellis was a darn good fighter.

Byrd filled out pretty well-- he wasn't just a blown up middleweight as a lot of people think, he was a pretty strong 220 pounder at his best and he also had some skills and speed. He looked very good against Vitaly and Tua, though those guys didn't fight anything like Ellis, obviously.

Thinking it over, I had a notion that the two of them would come off about even on the outside but that Byrd would use his superior weight and strength to bull Ellis around when they came together, maybe tire him out a little. Again, could go either way -- but I don't think it's a mismatch in Ellis's favor, that's for sure.

At the end of the day, I respect both of these guys and I think they are both a little under-rated.[/quote]

I dsiagree that Byrd was stronger in any way. He punches and fought like a blown-up light heavyweight, mainly bulking up by force-feeding himself. At 215 lbs he looked pudgy. His weight here if anything is a hinderence as Byrd fought flat-footed and would be given fits by Ellis who was light on his feet and had good lateral movement.

Ellis was not a big heavyweight but he grew into a strong 190 lb body, and clearly had the much stronger punch.

[Robinson]

I think Ellis is one of the more under rated HWs of most era's and
especially his. Men like Quarry and Bonavena get more credit
and praise than he does, yet he beat better men, and beat each
of them.

I do not think the size difference between Byrd and Ellis would
make much difference, Chuvalo was able to land some iron fisted
left's to Ellis in their fight, only to have Jimmy come back with some
nice crisp shots.

I think Ellis would have the speed and clean style to trouble Byrd.

[Mr E]

I dsiagree that Byrd was stronger in any way. He punches and fought like a blown-up light heavyweight, mainly bulking up by force-feeding himself. At 215 lbs he looked pudgy. His weight here if anything is a hinderence as Byrd fought flat-footed and would be given fits by Ellis who was light on his feet and had good lateral movement.

Ellis was not a big heavyweight but he grew into a strong 190 lb body, and clearly had the much stronger punch.

Ellis often came in flabby himself. I reckon his best weight would have been about 185 in tip top shape. Looking at the Byrd handled Tua I have to conclude he was definitely stronger than Ellis was.

Still a close fight either way, I think.