malignaggi accuses Pacman

[jamesmcdonnell]

Pacman has always had a good chin - I've never seen him shaken up since I've been following him.

In his first and second fights with Marquez he took some spiteful counter punches which snapped his head back, without even flinching, he was stopped in his tracks, but never hurt or wobbled.

Morales hit him with big shots in both their fights - again, he never made a dent in Pacman.

I've not seen anyone ever really hurt Pacman.

The guy has a massive head, and a very wide strong jaw - much like DLH - who again, was never really hurt whilst moving up the weights.

People seem to forget Oscar moved up all the way from Super Feather to Middlweight, and was never in my recollection seriously troubled by head shots, even against a prime Mosley who was both fast and deadly.

Being able to absorb a shot is a complicated science, nobody fully understands it, but having a thick neck, strong back and shoulders, and a thick jaw and skull, seem to be very common amongst those who can absorb a shot - Pac has alkl of these.

[black panther]

People dont realise how being at a weight thats good for you improves your chin.Cotto for example looked very shaky all the time at light welter but looked solid at welter.
If pac was boiling down from his natural lwelter/welter weight to unnatural weights hed have felt it more if hes at a good weight for his body the punches may just bounce off

Excellent point.

x3 I was amazed at how well Pacquiao tooks the punches, having been hurt by smaller fighters. But in my opinion he's simply now fighting at a weight that is more healthy. The massive "draining" he used to do would have certainly had an effect on his punch resistance, so now that he no longer needs to drain perhaps his ability to take a shot has improved. Plus at featherweight plus, he's not been hurt badly and knocked down once (the Barrera knockdown was a slip/flash knockdown - correct me if I'm wrong). I just think he is a complete fighter: speed, power, skills and a good chin. He also disguises the fact that he is hurt well - I am sure in a post-fight interview he admitted Cotto's punches "hurt" but waved Cotto in anyway to show/bluff that he wasn't hurt.

[TerribleTerry]

How many people were crying foul when the White Buffalo was meandering slothfully around the ring, all the while jacked up on roids?

Same goes for Buddah-belly James Toney. There weren't that many howls of 'cheat' prior to his flunking the test.

Appearance alone is not enough to label a fighter a steriod user.

Pac Man is a phenom - these whispers and accusations are as unwelcome as they are unfounded.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

People dont realise how being at a weight thats good for you improves your chin.Cotto for example looked very shaky all the time at light welter but looked solid at welter.
If pac was boiling down from his natural lwelter/welter weight to unnatural weights hed have felt it more if hes at a good weight for his body the punches may just bounce off

This is true he was a massive 130lber who weighed 146lbs on fight night, thats not great for the chin or many things for that matter.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

There are plenty of blood and urine tests before and after fights so if he is doing something he would have been caught out by now. Paulie, you are one of my favourite boxers but shut the fvck up for once!

Alot of people love to knock a great sportsman when they get to the top of their respectve sport..Pacman is an exceptional talent in my opinion!

You can harness the benefits of steroids by using year round and cutting out 4-6days before fight time. Or use masking agents. So urine/blood tests after the fight dont mean too much. I'm not saying he is but there are plenty of HW boxers that are blatantly using and not getting caught, Shane Mosley/Morrison/Briggs didnt get caught

[DG.]

If he is on drugs, can we call him ’CrackMan’?

Or maybe the Chris Rick Zebra in Madagascar can call him ‘Crackalakkin’!

What happened to my thread on Pacman and steroids - allegedly?

[DG.]

This is how easy it is

Crackalakin!

[U.F.O]

No different than someone like Usain Bolt,
When someone is truely great at somethig the others that are left in their wake are left to understand WHY and HOW :??

some people can not or will not except greatness

[Coco]

There are plenty of blood and urine tests before and after fights so if he is doing something he would have been caught out by now. Paulie, you are one of my favourite boxers but shut the fvck up for once!

Alot of people love to knock a great sportsman when they get to the top of their respectve sport..Pacman is an exceptional talent in my opinion!

Bullsh1t...it is incredibly easy to pass those tests....there are hundreds of ways to mask/fool the tests.

I mean pro boxingtesting is poorly regulated, but look at how all the steriod cases in athletics where it is rigorously enforced pass tests.

I mean are you telling me Ben Johnson only once ever juiced? Are expecting me to believe that Golota has never juiced because he has never failed a test?

The cheating industry is way ahead of the testing industry

Also it is not the norm to be given a test after a fight

[Wales]

isnt it every title fight is tested >?

[jamesmcdonnell]

There are plenty of blood and urine tests before and after fights so if he is doing something he would have been caught out by now. Paulie, you are one of my favourite boxers but shut the fvck up for once!

Alot of people love to knock a great sportsman when they get to the top of their respectve sport..Pacman is an exceptional talent in my opinion!

Bullsh1t...it is incredibly easy to pass those tests....there are hundreds of ways to mask/fool the tests.

I mean pro boxingtesting is poorly regulated, but look at how all the steriod cases in athletics where it is rigorously enforced pass tests.

I mean are you telling me Ben Johnson only once ever juiced? Are expecting me to believe that Golota has never juiced because he has never failed a test?

The cheating industry is way ahead of the testing industry

Also it is not the norm to be given a test after a fight

It is in Nevada state in title fights, in fact maybe all fights. It varies by commission.

In fact, according to this article, as I thought, they can test absolutely anyone who fights in Nevada borders, and mandatorily test participants in title fights.

The Sanctioning bodies should really be handling this stuff in my opinion.

"Has 615 boxers and last year held about 140 bouts. Tests every boxer after every championship and elimination bout for controlled substances, painkillers, barbiturates, steroids, amphetamines and marijuana. Strangely, does not test for alcohol. Policy posted on Web site. State commission where fight is held suspends violators, in most cases, for six months. If a boxer fails a drug test after a title fight, title is vacated."

[hitman_hatton1]

Pac Man is a phenom - these whispers and accusations are as unwelcome as they are unfounded.

definitely.

i'd never label the guy a cheat until cold hard facts were produced.

a 6 month ban is pathetic suspension time.

most fighters take that off between fights nowadays.

[Flav1]

I'd have thought that all boxers running in to a world title fight would be drugs tested now... or are they not?

[terminator]

This is a ridiculous suggestion .
Steroids don't give you a chin and they don't give you timing, acurracy, skill
Pacman always had raw talent -power and speed. Roach(skillwork) and Alex Ariza(strength and conditioning) have developed him into a great fighter. Also let's not forget Pacman trains like a machine and was knocking out welterweights in sparring when he was a superfeather!

[jamesmcdonnell]

PS Cotto had no steam on his shots after the second knockdown.

Correct.

Cotto was scared to commit after the second knockdown, and I don't think his balance ever recovered entirely.

Cotto was definitely shaking Pacman up in the first three rounds, and was boxing intelligently and effectively.

I think if he had managed to not get drawn into a brawl with Pacquaio, he could have maybe dismantled Pacquaio down the stretch, but that's not Cotto's style really - and I think he thought that if they did brawl, he'd come out on top - which you cannot blame him for.

He hit Pacquaio as hard as I've seen anyone hit him in those first few rounds.

[Carbo]

PS Cotto had no steam on his shots after the second knockdown.

Correct.

Cotto was scared to commit after the second knockdown, and I don't think his balance ever recovered entirely.

Cotto was definitely shaking Pacman up in the first three rounds, and was boxing intelligently and effectively.

I think if he had managed to not get drawn into a brawl with Pacquaio, he could have maybe dismantled Pacquaio down the stretch, but that's not Cotto's style really - and I think he thought that if they did brawl, he'd come out on top - which you cannot blame him for.

He hit Pacquaio as hard as I've seen anyone hit him in those first few rounds.

Said it once and I'll say it again: Pacquaio's improvement has been based on the improvement in his boxing skills, not his strength and power.

Cotto was certainly hurting Pacquaio in the first three. In the fourth, I thought he was going to knock Pacquaio out. He had the better of the exchanged until Manny exploded in the last 45 seconds.

[Deno1986]

This is a ridiculous suggestion .
Steroids don't give you a chin and they don't give you timing, acurracy, skill
Pacman always had raw talent -power and speed. Roach(skillwork) and Alex Ariza(strength and conditioning) have developed him into a great fighter. Also let's not forget Pacman trains like a machine and was knocking out welterweights in sparring when he was a superfeather!

[terminator]

I've not seen anyone ever really hurt Pacman.

Pacman was knocked down by a jab from Nedal Hussein

[TerribleTerry]

Pacman has always had a good chin - I've never seen him shaken up since I've been following him.

He had some early career KO losses, but a lot of the can be put down to the un-naturally low weight.

v Rustico Torrecampo (110 lbs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pa1H_T ... re=related

v Medgoen Singsurat (113 lbs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4qwBzJKrXY

v Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov (knocked down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_jzIhUZ ... re=related

v Nedal Hussein (knocked down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPVr3qvvsAg

[jamesmcdonnell]

Pacman has always had a good chin - I've never seen him shaken up since I've been following him.

He had some early career KO losses, but a lot of the can be put down to the un-naturally low weight.

v Rustico Torrecampo (110 lbs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pa1H_T ... re=related

v Medgoen Singsurat (113 lbs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4qwBzJKrXY

v Serikzhan Yeshmagambetov (knocked down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_jzIhUZ ... re=related

v Nedal Hussein (knocked down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPVr3qvvsAg

I said since I've been following him. I know he was stopped early in his career, but judging by how well hes taken shots up at 135-140-147 I think it's fair to assume those were down to boiling right down in weight.

[TerribleTerry]

I said since I've been following him. I know he was stopped early in his career, but judging by how well hes taken shots up at 135-140-147 I think it's fair to assume those were down to boiling right down in weight.

I know you said since you have been following him - that was the reason I posted the clips; so you could take a look at them in case you haven't seen them before.

I agree that the artifically low weight would have had a lot to do with it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I said since I've been following him. I know he was stopped early in his career, but judging by how well hes taken shots up at 135-140-147 I think it's fair to assume those were down to boiling right down in weight.

I know you said since you have been following him - that was the reason I posted the clips; so you could take a look at them in case you haven't seen them before.

I agree that the artifically low weight would have had a lot to do with it.

Watched them just now, christ he looked so frail at those weights, one of the body shots that put him down really didn't look very hard he has certainly taken far bigger ones since.

[Matt W]

Malignaggi really gets on my tits. If he could fight half as well as he could talk maybe he could match Pacquiao where it counts. As it is he should try keeping his mouth shut for a change. Pacquiao is doing amazing things right now and we should enjoy him while he's here. If more fighters followed his example boxing would be much the better for it. This is a real cheap shot from Paulie.

[knightster]

I think that there will always be suspicions of athletes that reach the level of Bolt and Pacquiao, people are more cynical these days, especially since Ben Johnson and more recently the drug fest that is the Tour De France. Let's try not to be cynical and enjoy them while they are competing; innocent until proven guilty I say.

Saying that, I hope to that everything is kosher. Bolt and Pacquiao are such figure heads now, that any negative publicity as a result of a positive test or any kind of cheating on their behalf would be devastating for their respective sports.

[BARNEYKX]

I doubt very much if manny is on anything its just a lot of sour grapes from his detracters arn,t boxers tested for drugs etc , we are privileged to be seeing the greatest P4P ever in modern day boxing maybe even all time greatest