off topic - football offside

[Wales]

THIS BETTER NOT GET PASSED, IM DISGUSTED THE WELSH FA WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT IT LET ALONE IT GOING TO A VOTE!

A revolutionary change to football's offside law is to be proposed by the Football Association of Wales.
Reuters news agency reports that the FAW wants to change the laws so that a player can only be offside if they are in the opponent's penalty area.

The proposal will be put before the eight-seat International Board, which meets in Cardiff on 26 February.

Any proposal needs at least six votes to become law, with Fifa holding four seats and the Home Nations the others.

The offside law has been tinkered with throughout its history.

[dondada]

THIS BETTER NOT GET PASSED, IM DISGUSTED THE WELSH FA WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT IT LET ALONE IT GOING TO A VOTE!

A revolutionary change to football's offside law is to be proposed by the Football Association of Wales.
Reuters news agency reports that the FAW wants to change the laws so that a player can only be offside if they are in the opponent's penalty area.

The proposal will be put before the eight-seat International Board, which meets in Cardiff on 26 February.

Any proposal needs at least six votes to become law, with Fifa holding four seats and the Home Nations the others.

The offside law has been tinkered with throughout its history.

They should experiment with abandoning the law altogether. It would be interesting to see what would happen. I doubt very much there would be the 12 all scores people predict.

[kevin]

They used to have a 30 yard line in the US, the NASL when it was running, you couldn't before offside outside this, bit like the line in Subbuteo the table football game, I think that could work.

Kev

[stujones]

On the topic of football, with all this discussion about the Roy Carroll incident I have suggestion that would be cheap, instant and effective way of overcoming this problem.

Like with Ice Hockey, why cannot you position a sensor in a behind the line to that when something touches the sensor a light will flash up. Obviously it would be positioned so that when a match ball touches it is means the ball is completely over the goaline. Problem solved instantly.

[dondada]

On the topic of football, with all this discussion about the Roy Carroll incident I have suggestion that would be cheap, instant and effective way of overcoming this problem.

Like with Ice Hockey, why cannot you position a sensor in a behind the line to that when something touches the sensor a light will flash up. Obviously it would be positioned so that when a match ball touches it is means the ball is completely over the goaline. Problem solved instantly.

That is what they are considering Stu. Apparently some bloke on Radio 5 was saying you would have to have a microchip in the ball and sensors in the goal. It would, according to him, cost 50 grand PER GOAL to do it. Nothing in Premiership terms I suppose.

All the slating the referees get from ex-pros and current pundits is disgusting. There is absolutely no way that linesman could have been doing the job he was supposed to be (staying with the last defender) and clearly seen that Spurs 'goal'. I've done it and refeering is a thankless task.

I can't believe, as a reality TV experiment, no one has sent the likes of that daft prick Lawrenson et al on a ref's course, got them their basic badge and then got them to ref a game which was then dissected to bits on telly. Maybe then they would be more tolerant.

No refs means no game and there is a massive shortage at grass roots level.

[stujones]

On the topic of football, with all this discussion about the Roy Carroll incident I have suggestion that would be cheap, instant and effective way of overcoming this problem.

Like with Ice Hockey, why cannot you position a sensor in a behind the line to that when something touches the sensor a light will flash up. Obviously it would be positioned so that when a match ball touches it is means the ball is completely over the goaline. Problem solved instantly.

That is what they are considering Stu. Apparently some bloke on Radio 5 was saying you would have to have a microchip in the ball and sensors in the goal. It would, according to him, cost 50 grand PER GOAL to do it. Nothing in Premiership terms I suppose.

All the slating the referees get from ex-pros and current pundits is disgusting. There is absolutely no way that linesman could have been doing the job he was supposed to be (staying with the last defender) and clearly seen that Spurs 'goal'. I've done it and refeering is a thankless task.

I can't believe, as a reality TV experiment, no one has sent the likes of that daft prick Lawrenson et al on a ref's course, got them their basic badge and then got them to ref a game which was then dissected to bits on telly. Maybe then they would be more tolerant.

No refs means no game and there is a massive shortage at grass roots level.

Surely it would be cheaper than that, you don't need to microchip the ball just an alarm type sensor. My folks have one at the top of their lane which cost about £20. Yes a defender could argue that it his foot that cross the sensor line and not the ball, but how likely is that going to happen? Invariably the defenders' foot will be connected to the ball, which will mean the ball has touched the sensor aswell.

[neil r]

On the topic of football, with all this discussion about the Roy Carroll incident I have suggestion that would be cheap, instant and effective way of overcoming this problem.

Like with Ice Hockey, why cannot you position a sensor in a behind the line to that when something touches the sensor a light will flash up. Obviously it would be positioned so that when a match ball touches it is means the ball is completely over the goaline. Problem solved instantly.

so how will the sensor be able to dirrenciate between the ball and players arms, legs, bodies etc etc?

[steve689]

THIS BETTER NOT GET PASSED, IM DISGUSTED THE WELSH FA WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT IT LET ALONE IT GOING TO A VOTE!

A revolutionary change to football's offside law is to be proposed by the Football Association of Wales.
Reuters news agency reports that the FAW wants to change the laws so that a player can only be offside if they are in the opponent's penalty area.

The proposal will be put before the eight-seat International Board, which meets in Cardiff on 26 February.

Any proposal needs at least six votes to become law, with Fifa holding four seats and the Home Nations the others.

The offside law has been tinkered with throughout its history.

This is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard, if it aint broke don't fix it. Yeah so what if we end up with 10-10 games, that won't add to the excitement IMO it will make the game dull and boring, with cynical teams dropping deeper and strikers hanging around on the goal line it will become a free for all. What a terrible idea!! The game needs offside and it worked well enough anyway before FIFA introduced this "active zones" bollocks...grrrr why cant this morons stop pissing around with the game

[stujones]

On the topic of football, with all this discussion about the Roy Carroll incident I have suggestion that would be cheap, instant and effective way of overcoming this problem.

Like with Ice Hockey, why cannot you position a sensor in a behind the line to that when something touches the sensor a light will flash up. Obviously it would be positioned so that when a match ball touches it is means the ball is completely over the goaline. Problem solved instantly.

so how will the sensor be able to dirrenciate between the ball and players arms, legs, bodies etc etc?

Good point, but it would assist with most of the situations and would give an instant reaction. If it is a goaline save, well if the Keepers hand that is striking the sensor that would mean the ball is aswell - touch the sensor means over the line.

Its not full proof, but it is instant, cheap and better than the current system.

[dondada]

THIS BETTER NOT GET PASSED, IM DISGUSTED THE WELSH FA WOULD EVEN CONSIDER THINKING ABOUT IT LET ALONE IT GOING TO A VOTE!

A revolutionary change to football's offside law is to be proposed by the Football Association of Wales.
Reuters news agency reports that the FAW wants to change the laws so that a player can only be offside if they are in the opponent's penalty area.

The proposal will be put before the eight-seat International Board, which meets in Cardiff on 26 February.

Any proposal needs at least six votes to become law, with Fifa holding four seats and the Home Nations the others.

The offside law has been tinkered with throughout its history.

This is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard, if it aint broke don't fix it. Yeah so what if we end up with 10-10 games, that won't add to the excitement IMO it will make the game dull and boring, with cynical teams dropping deeper and strikers hanging around on the goal line it will become a free for all. What a terrible idea!! The game needs offside and it worked well enough anyway before FIFA introduced this "active zones" bollocks...grrrr why cant this morons stop pissing around with the game

We all remember the Arsenal back four stepping up in unison, arms aloft. Now that was fornicating boring. I think they should try a few games with no offsides at all, or a restricted area. Surely it can't hurt to try it?

[neil r]

interesting article in the Britsh Medical Journal about this...
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ ... /1470?ehom

basically it states that...

Summary points
To apply the offside rule correctly in a football game, the referee must be able to keep in his visual field at least five objects at the same time—two players of the attacking team, the last two players of the defending team, and the ball

This is beyond the capacity of the human eye, which may explain why so many offside decisions are controversial

The use of modern technology such as freeze frame television to aid referees' decisions is necessary for the offside rule to be applied correctly

[Freiheit]

we had a no offside rule in minor/youth leagues for alot of years, works ok. at lower level league we also have a special yellow card rule were you et ejected for 10 mins.when you get a yellow card.