Boxing not missing Calzaghe

[bjermaine]

http://insidefights.com/2009/11/27/boxi ... -calzaghe/

good article on calzaghe's popularity or lack there of.

[Goodnight, Irene]

...& a limp thread serving as your vehicle of insulated hatred.

[Asterix]

...& a limp thread serving as your vehicle of insulated hatred.

I see you've read his posts before.

[Brutu]

Sounds to me like that article is a disguised taunt to lure him back into the ring so that he will lose(maybe).

[Controversial]

He retired at the right time, a few months from his 37th birthday. Plus his hand problems were a big issue. He was undefeated and had little left to prove in my opinion. There is always going to be someone else to fight, you can say that about every fighter who has ever retired but you have to hang the gloves up at some time.

Why carry on until you get beat, which is possible the older you get?

[Adamj1987]

just another joe hater thread

[gregor]

He retired at the right time, a few months from his 37th birthday. Plus his hand problems were a big issue. He was undefeated and had little left to prove in my opinion.

IMHO he still had enough to prove, but I agree it was too late for that and he retired at the right time. The problem was that he started fighting decent opponents only at the end of his career, so I can't give him as much credit for being undefeated (against who? two past time greats, roughly two decent contenders, and not much more) as I would like to.

One may blame it was not JC fault, but it was just SMW which was (most of the time) weaker than other divisions, but I do not think this was the problem as getting few pounds more (or less) is not a problem nowadays.

As to boxing missing him or not... well, although I was not his fan, I would rather see Hopkins to retire than him.

[Seamus]

He's going into the IBHOF. Guaranteed.

[Goodnight, Irene]

'Unlike Mayweather, who was a box office bonanza largely due to his ability to play the role of the villain so well, Calzaghe was never a draw.'

What? Never a draw? It was 50,000 Danish fans in Cardiff then I guess?

If it didn't happen in America, it didn't happen, to the average American fight fan.

[Adamj1987]

'Unlike Mayweather, who was a box office bonanza largely due to his ability to play the role of the villain so well, Calzaghe was never a draw.'

What? Never a draw? It was 50,000 Danish fans in Cardiff then I guess?

If it didn't happen in America, it didn't happen, to the average American fight fan.

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maywathers biggest draws have been against fighters with a bigger fan base than his own

DLH
Hatton
Marquez (since the 2nd pacquiao fight)

[Goodnight, Irene]

It has more to do with insulation than idiocy (though, the latter plays a part, LOL). I used that Omegle site the other day, & a woman said she had just come from her Soccer match. She then said, "If I use the term Soccer, it means I can only come from one country, doesn't it? ;)"

Surprise, surprise, she was American. They just aren't educated at all beyond their own shores.

[bjermaine]

so americans aren't educated because we call a game soccer that the rest of the world calls football. DD leave it to irene to make a great post like that.

i've never heard of omegle before but i guess a lonely chump like you needs websites like that. for the rest of you that don't know what that is, here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omegle


if the average american boxing fan is an idiot, that makes that average euro boxing fan a vegetable.

btw, calzaghe's career looks more crappy than before with roy getting ko'd in one by danny green a year after joe was dropped by jones and kessler getting dominated by ward.

[Goodnight, Irene]

"so americans aren't educated because we call a game soccer that the rest of the world calls football. DD leave it to irene to make a great post like that..."

Not what I said. Read first, then post, mate.

"...i've never heard of omegle before but i guess a lonely chump like you needs websites like that. for the rest of you that don't know what that is, here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omegle
..."

I learned about it from this site, dumbass. Nevertheless, you should be embarrassed making such a limp attempt at an off-point insult. You should, but doubtless, you won't be.

"...if the average american boxing fan is an idiot, that makes that average euro boxing fan a vegetable..."

No one said that, either.

"...btw, calzaghe's career looks more crappy than before with roy getting ko'd in one by danny green a year after joe was dropped by jones and kessler getting dominated by ward..."

You're superstar has just been destroyed in one by a past-prime (nowhere near as shot as Jones, though), average fighter. You're hurting. Time to go after Calzaghe again, & it of course crushes your feelings to see anyone say anything positive of him.

P.S.

Green TKO1 Jones

[bjermaine]

Not what I said. Read first, then post, mate.

it's what you implied, shithead.

I learned about it from this site, dumbass. Nevertheless, you should be embarrassed making such a limp attempt at an off-point insult. You should, but doubtless, you won't be.

that insult was good and i'm sure others will laugh at how pathetic you are for talking to people you don't know.


No one said that, either.

adamj1987 posted that american fight fans were idiots. read first, then post, mate.


You're superstar has just been destroyed in one by a past-prime (nowhere near as shot as Jones, though), average fighter. You're hurting. Time to go after Calzaghe again, & it of course crushes your feelings to see anyone say anything positive of him.

P.S.

Green TKO1 Jones

it took a 40 yr old roy jones who's a shell of his former self to come over and bring your country their biggest fight in history. danny green seems like a good dude and i was happy for him. sucked to see it at the expense of jones. i was glad that the fight was stopped in the first so roy could avoid any more punishment. i hope roy leaves the sport now. he fought on way too long like a lot of the greats. thanks for the memories roy.

and have fun on omegle irene. hope you meet someone special.

[allworld80]

It has more to do with insulation than idiocy (though, the latter plays a part, LOL). I used that Omegle site the other day, & a woman said she had just come from her Soccer match. She then said, "If I use the term Soccer, it means I can only come from one country, doesn't it? ;)"

Surprise, surprise, she was American. They just aren't educated at all beyond their own shores.

And non-americans never miss a chance to express their displeasure at that do they? I mean honestly, who cares?

[BoxBuzz]

I'm an Amercan convert to Calzagheism. I bet my mule and tractor on Jeff Lacy, I told everyone who would listen that Joe was about to have his clock cleaned and that is entire sham of a career was going to be exposed by Jeff who I felt was somewhat limited IMHO. I really didn't think much of Joe, then after the Lacy affair I went back and actually took a close look at most of his fights. I had bought into a complete american bias based on innuendos and rumors that had nothing to do with reality. Joe is a great fighter who has happened to time his opponents well perhaps. But he was underestimated by almost everyone he fought and he managed to gain every one of his opponents respect.

His match timing was pretty impeccable but his timing in the ring when the bell sounded was not bad at all. He should be given his props by anyone still holding doubts. He had himself a very good career. The only fighter he didnt' face was Michewzelski maybe?......and Tiozzo sort of put that question to rest. Timing? Yeah you can complain about it, but he didnt' truly duck anyone. So did he wait them out and let them beat themselves? Maybe but that's the way the ball bounces.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The best value with BJermaine is his whole argument against Calzaghe is about ducking & insulation (not that I entirely disagree with him, but he's so wretchedly obnoxious about it) when his hero, Jones, made almost the entire latter half of his career about just that. LOL.

Of course, Roy fought in America, so it's different

[Goodnight, Irene]

It has more to do with insulation than idiocy (though, the latter plays a part, LOL). I used that Omegle site the other day, & a woman said she had just come from her Soccer match. She then said, "If I use the term Soccer, it means I can only come from one country, doesn't it? ;)"

Surprise, surprise, she was American. They just aren't educated at all beyond their own shores.

And non-americans never miss a chance to express their displeasure at that do they? I mean honestly, who cares?

Hey, every countrys' people have their faults, & most don't want to own up to it or concede. I'm not the patriotic type & I'm the first to criticise (or, at least, express my personal dislike) for many of my countrymen, but faults exist nonetheless &, sorry to say, Americans as a whole are pretty heavily insulated.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Not what I said. Read first, then post, mate.

it's what you implied, shithead.

I learned about it from this site, dumbass. Nevertheless, you should be embarrassed making such a limp attempt at an off-point insult. You should, but doubtless, you won't be.

that insult was good and i'm sure others will laugh at how pathetic you are for talking to people you don't know.


No one said that, either.

adamj1987 posted that american fight fans were idiots. read first, then post, mate.


You're superstar has just been destroyed in one by a past-prime (nowhere near as shot as Jones, though), average fighter. You're hurting. Time to go after Calzaghe again, & it of course crushes your feelings to see anyone say anything positive of him.

P.S.

Green TKO1 Jones

it took a 40 yr old roy jones who's a shell of his former self to come over and bring your country their biggest fight in history. danny green seems like a good dude and i was happy for him. sucked to see it at the expense of jones. i was glad that the fight was stopped in the first so roy could avoid any more punishment. i hope roy leaves the sport now. he fought on way too long like a lot of the greats. thanks for the memories roy.

and have fun on omegle irene. hope you meet someone special.

Since you enjoy being glib so much, Green TKO1 Jones. Into the history books. It wasn't even a prime Green, as average a fighter as he's always been

[Goodnight, Irene]

You know what? On reflection, I'm thinking of a different tact. How about we put the petty shit aside for a minute, & reason out a half-way logical debate as to why Calzaghe's so over-rated. Your points against mine, simple & fair, BJerm. We can even include Jones in the discussion, if you like (I think he's more than relevant, anyway).

What do you say, BJerm? I'm game 8)

[BoxBuzz]

Calzaghe is not without merit, to anyone who takes an honest unbiased look at the history.

He's not Hagler or Monzon...(OK that's a bit of an understatement) but he's to be respected and I don't think he truly ducked anyone along the way.....though he may be accused of "perfect timing" isn't that an attribute most of us value?

[allworld80]

Americans as a whole are pretty heavily insulated.

You could say that about any country. Not to mention the ones who form most of their opinions on Americans from watching MTV and Access Hollywood reruns. Not saying you do, but I'd bet you be surprised at how many do.

[banjo]

Is it just me who thinks Calzaghe and the two men he's always compared to(Hopkins and Jones) are the most ridiculously overrated fighters in boxing?

[Ezzard]

Is it just me who thinks Calzaghe and the two men he's always compared to(Hopkins and Jones) are the most ridiculously overrated fighters in boxing?

Jones and Calzaghe are overrated. They have their detractors but essentially their fans make ridiculous claims about them.

Hopkins has a good resume and is taking risks. I think he's not that exciting but he is achieveing quite a lot. i think he deserves his plaudits. Definitely more so than the other 2.

[ThatOne]

I didn't realize nationality is so important.

Lennox Lewis is one of my five favorite fighters and I don't know if he's English, Canadian, or Jamiacan.