What time and channel is Green-Jones on?

[bollox]

One thing Oz boxing needs is to go back to the days when we worked our way up the Commonwealth rankings which in turn led to world rankings. As a general rule our fighters would be much better off in the long run by fighting Commonwealth fighters rather than the Asians with dubious records which too often seem to pollute the local scene, which in turn leads to dubious 'world' titles. And the 'world' champion at this point may not have faced a single genuine top 10 fighter (WBF? who mentioned the WBF)

Besides, we need to reinstitute the Oz-England boxing rivalry of days gone by

[adamheight]

One thing Oz boxing needs is to go back to the days when we worked our way up the Commonwealth rankings which in turn led to world rankings. As a general rule our fighters would be much better off in the long run by fighting Commonwealth fighters rather than the Asians with dubious records which too often seem to pollute the local scene, which in turn leads to dubious 'world' titles. And the 'world' champion at this point may not have faced a single genuine top 10 fighter (WBF? who mentioned the WBF)

Besides, we need to reinstitute the Oz-England boxing rivalry of days gone by

im hoping england and oz both get put in the same group at the football (soccer) world cup in south africa next year. we will find out next friday, thats when the draw is.

[bollox]

You're an Englishmen living over here, yes? Who you following? (say England and I'll report you to the immigration people for "un-Australian" behaviour and have you deported, son) D

Actually, it just struck me that world soccer is a good analogy of some of the posts in this thread. We beat teams such as Qatar 27 - 0 and some people start claiming we're world beaters. Then the big boys steam roll us

[adamheight]

You're an Englishmen living over here, yes? Who you following? (say England and I'll report you to the immigration people for "un-Australian" behaviour and have you deported, son) D

Actually, it just struck me that world soccer is a good analogy of some of the posts in this thread. We beat teams such as Qatar 27 - 0 and some people start claiming we're world beaters. Then the big boys steam roll us

As much ad I love my new home. I'm England thru and thru when it comes to sport.

I hope to see oz get past the knockout stages again. 2nd round or even quarters. As for England this is the best chance they have had in a while. Semi's at the very least. I expect a finals place to be honest.

[Marlin]

Marlin, when you say you enjoy the sport domestically does that include the bouts on the Mundine undercards? For every decent well-matched fight there seems to be 5 blatant mismatches involving local guys bashing up pathetic Fijians and Thais who spend the first 90 seconds picking the spot on the canvas where they are gonna flop from the first half-decent punch.

To me, that isn't doing any good for anyone.

I am genuinely interested in discussing this.

No, I do not enjoy anything Mundine related and every knows his undercards, in particular, are rubbish. There are plenty of mismatches, here and abroad, and I'm pretty sure if you care take a look we acknowledge it and are indeed frustrated by it.

[smedley]

7 eastern australia time or maybe earlier, i think the green-mundine card started at 5 or 6

[bollox]

You're an Englishmen living over here, yes? Who you following? (say England and I'll report you to the immigration people for "un-Australian" behaviour and have you deported, son) D

Actually, it just struck me that world soccer is a good analogy of some of the posts in this thread. We beat teams such as Qatar 27 - 0 and some people start claiming we're world beaters. Then the big boys steam roll us

As much ad I love my new home. I'm England thru and thru when it comes to sport.

I hope to see oz get past the knockout stages again. 2nd round or even quarters. As for England this is the best chance they have had in a while. Semi's at the very least. I expect a finals place to be honest.

Wouldn't expect anything less I was living in England for the 1990 cup and was going for you guys. Ours were nowhere to be seen

Our soccer IMO will never be up there. The big money just isn't in the sport here so the talent goes to Europe chasing the opportunities and the $$$. Can't blame them

[Collins2000]

We just enjoy a bit of fun at Oliver's expense. No harm meant.

I know. I was just giving him a bit of moral support and letting him know it's only a bit of internet banter.

Back in the days of the ten quid migrant an Englishman decided he had made a mistake in moving to Australia. The locals refused to treat him like the Duke of Kent.

He sells everything he has and goes down to a shipping office to buy a one way ticket back to Blighty. Girl in the office counts up his money and says "You are sixpence short."

Englishman goes out into the street and sees a drunk coming the other way. Bails the drunk up and says "Excuse me sir, do you think you could let me have sixpence so I can go back to England? "

Drunk suddenly brightens up and says "Shit! Is that all it takes? Here's two bob, take three of your pommy mates with you! "

[oliverfennell]

By the way, Ollie, when does Darren Barker risk his unbeaten record on a World Title challenge? Isn't it getting about that time?

As he is promoted by Mick Hennessy, I don't think anybody's going to be holding their breath on that one. Look how long it took Hennessy to get his prize charges Froch and Witter to that stage (notice also that Hennessy boys seem to wait for title vacancies, rather than go for defending champs).

[oliverfennell]

I just don't understand your infatuation with coming into the Aussie forum "sharing your balanced opinion" slagging off every Aussie fighter every chance you get. If you don't like our fight scene why bother following it? Why do you expect us not to support our fighters? We know most of them are domestic level fighters and we enoy the sport domestically.

I can only imagine you like coming in here to rile us up and bait us. That is your M O in here. Just like your M O in the other sports forum is to let everyone know how wonderful and well travelled are and how that clearly means you, and your opinion, is superior to every one else.

We've been over this before. But I suppose I'll have to go over it again.

I don't have any "infatuation" with "slagging off" Aussie fightes. I praise when I think it's due, and I criticise when I think it's due. It's the same on the Current Scene or the British board. The only difference is, if I "slag off" an American fighter on the Current Scene, I don't get a load of Yanks ripping me for it, saying I'm a troll, and so on. I could list AGAIN the Aussie fighters I like, but you don't seem to care about that, only about perpetuating the myth that I have some kind of bias.

Now, on the Jones-Green topic, you'll see I have largely been supportive of the bout and am looking forward to it (hell, I even started this very thread to find out if there's some way I can watch it). I made a simple human error of misreading a word and then criticing DERRICK GAINER, and you jumped on that! Now, as I said, Gainer is notorious the world over as a spoiler and has been involved in a couple of the acknowledge worst fights of recent years. I was criticising HIM, nothing to do with Australian boxers at all, save for the fact he is fighting an Aussie on Wednesday.

Re. If you don't like our fight scene why bother following it? Again, I have never said I don't like it. The fact I may criticise things sometimes does not mean I don't like it. I follow it because I follow boxing everywhere.

Re. Why do you expect us not to support our fighters? We know most of them are domestic level fighters and we enoy the sport domestically. Again, I have NEVER said you guys shouldn't support your own. I have only suggested you keep things in perspective. You admit yourself right there that "most of them are domestic level", yet it's somehow taboo for me to say the very same thing.

Finally, I have no MO here or on the Current Scene. The fact of me being well-travelled is only raised in relevant threads, e.g. ones ABOUT travel or places I have been to. There's no reason whatsoever that I shouldn't mention my experiences when it is relevant. The fact that you look at this as some kind of superiority complex on my part suggests it is YOU that has an agenda with me. For example, the thread "Have you ever been close to death?", when my experience came in a foreign country, should I reply "Yes, XXX happened to me in XXX", or should I hold back for fear of appearing "superior" simply because I have been somewhere and decided to talk about it?

[toppity]

Hey Ollie, is now the time i should post the laughing smilie?

[oliverfennell]

You've already posted one; don't be greedy! And besides, Marlin hasn't told me to fcuk off yet.

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

I don't see what Ollie has done wrong to be honest. Listen - this thread should be called 'we hate Anthony Mundine board' because when he retires - this board will retire along with it.

I do think however, Australian boxing, especially in the heavyweight division is at its healthiest for a long time now. The only thing missing is more commonwealth title fights which are a huge part of your boxing history. I hate it when UK fighters dominate the commonwealth straps with domestic match ups and would love to see Leapai vs Sexton for the heavyweight belt in Brisbane (for example) because Leapai would win that fight by big KO!

[Marlin]

You've already posted one; don't be greedy! And besides, Marlin hasn't told me to fcuk off yet.

fcuk off

[toppity]

so tempting.......ahhhhhhh

[toppity]

I don't see what Ollie has done wrong to be honest. Listen - this thread should be called 'we hate Anthony Mundine board' because when he retires - this board will retire along with it.

I do think however, Australian boxing, especially in the heavyweight division is at its healthiest for a long time now. The only thing missing is more commonwealth title fights which are a huge part of your boxing history. I hate it when UK fighters dominate the commonwealth straps with domestic match ups and would love to see Leapai vs Sexton for the heavyweight belt in Brisbane (for example) because Leapai would win that fight by big KO!

i agree with that. I wish the Commonwealth titles were a truly sought after belt. Anything to bring on UK v Australain rivalry.

[oliverfennell]

You've already posted one; don't be greedy! And besides, Marlin hasn't told me to fcuk off yet.

fcuk off

Ladies and gentleman, we are pleased to announce that normal service has resumed. We apologise for any inconvenience caused by our attempts to engage Marlin in an intelligent debate. Thank you and have a nice day.

[Liver Crusher]

Oliver,u meeting at the brewery..hahahaha

[toppity]

Oliver,u meeting at the brewery..hahahaha

[Brute]

Weigh in.

Jones 81.45kg.
Green 81.3kg.

Seems they had agreed to come in under 82 kg. Can't see how the IBO could do anything if one weighed over that.

[toppity]

Weigh in.

Jones 81.45kg.
Green 81.3kg.

Seems they had agreed to come in under 82 kg. Can't see how the IBO could do anything if one weighed over that.

they couldn't. That weight will work for Danny i reckon

[oliverfennell]

Was there some agreement? I guess both guys aren't natural cruisers, but 20lb below the division limit is a lot!

[oliverfennell]

I don't see what Ollie has done wrong to be honest. Listen - this thread should be called 'we hate Anthony Mundine board' because when he retires - this board will retire along with it.

I do think however, Australian boxing, especially in the heavyweight division is at its healthiest for a long time now. The only thing missing is more commonwealth title fights which are a huge part of your boxing history. I hate it when UK fighters dominate the commonwealth straps with domestic match ups and would love to see Leapai vs Sexton for the heavyweight belt in Brisbane (for example) because Leapai would win that fight by big KO!

i agree with that. I wish the Commonwealth titles were a truly sought after belt. Anything to bring on UK v Australain rivalry.

Agreed. With that in mind, here are the resukts of UK-Australia Commonwealth title fights this decade:

Matt Skelton beat Bob Mirovic
Danny Williams beat Bob Mirovic
Danny Williams beat Kali Meehan
Adam Watt beat Bruce Scott
Carl Froch beat Dale Westerman
David Starie beat Marc Bargero
David Starie beat Guy Waters
Darren Barker beat Ben Crampton
Howard Eastman beat Sam Soliman
Sam Soliman beat Neville Browne
Richard Williams beat Shannan Taylor
James Hare beat Julian Holland
Junior Witter beat Lovemore Ndou
Amir Khan beat Gairy St Clair
Alex Moon beat Mick O'Malley
Jackson Asiku* beat Jamie McKeever
Jackson Asiku* beat Marc Callaghan
Scott Harrison beat Tony Wehbee
Nedal Hussein beat Brian Carr

For those keeping count, that's 14-5 in favour of the whinging poms. Oh, and notice the asterisk next to Asiku? I'm being generous there, because at the time of those fights, he wasn't even billed out of Australia - that came later. So if I wasn't in a benevolent mood, it would be 14-3.

[Brute]

Too many organisations. Commonwealth means nothing anymore.

[oliverfennell]

Too many organisations. Commonwealth means nothing anymore.

I disagree. It's one of the few titles that actually means something, i.e. it represents a clearly defined part of the world, and limits its rankings to those parts. So therefore it's better than the hazily defined intercontinental belts, and it also means more than the various alphabet continental belts for which you can challenge even if you're not from that continent (Mundine as Latin champ, Cameron as an African champ, etc).

Commonwealth, European, PABA and OPBF are the only legit regional titles left, IMO.

The NABF and USBA used to be excellent but they have been diluted by competitors (NABA, NABO. USNBC, etc etc) and interim designations. There used to be a legit African belt but that was hijacked by the IBF. South American belt seems to have disappeared.

True to say the importance of the Commonwealth belt has devalued, due as you say to the proliferation of alternative titles, but I say at least it still means something, and the quality of titleholders tends to be pretty good - which is more than can be said for a lot of the newer regional titles.