whats the difference between unlicensed and white collar?

[damianhucker1]

above is correct from mean machine , billy when i first started i had a local rival saying i couldnt do it as i was illegal and wouldnt be covered by insurance etc etc , yet they do nothing different to me other than be with a different sanctioning body , i wont mention any names as i prefer to work with other promotors rather than against them , but as long as you keep everything well organised and think of the safetly of the fighters then its allowed , no differerent to a pub starting a football team to compete in a local league , each league just like each sanctioning body will have its own rules that if you want to take part you of course follow them , but theres no reason for them to stop you , ill assume there someone who thinks there the local top dog or something , any prob billy giz a shout .

[John]

This argument goes back to the 70's when roy Shaw came out of prison and tried to get his BBBofC license back.

What kind of license did he hold ?

[TerribleTerry]

This argument goes back to the 70's when roy Shaw came out of prison and tried to get his BBBofC license back.

What kind of license did he hold ?

It is a weird one itsnt it? Apparently he had 10 or so fights under his real name (I think it was Roy West?..) as a middleweight (I think?) professional prior to going to prison but there is no records of his fights and who he beat as far as I can tell. I heard that the BBBC removed his record from the database but that sounds a bit far fetched to me...

What about all his opponents? did they automatically have one fight wiped off their records??

[John]

The Boards don't delete records, think about it, that is just an absurd idea. Maybe ..

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

[John]

The Board don't delete records, think about it, that is just an absurd idea. Maybe ..

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

[TerribleTerry]

The Boards don't delete records, think about it, that is just an absurd idea. Maybe ..

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

That is exactly what I thought - it sounds ridiculous!

I am sure he claimed a far more extensive pro career then a single pro fight - could it be that the boxrec record is incomplete (or should I wash my mouth out for suggesting such a thing!!)

[John]

could be incomplete, could be exaggeration / imagination on the part of Shaw, I've heard that a lot of his stories are just fairy tales

[mickey1975]

could be incomplete, could be exaggeration / imagination on the part of Shaw, I've heard that a lot of his stories are just fairy tales

I think thats the case with virtually all "true crime" books

[JMac]

In the USA, any boxer older than 35 is in the master division. The age difference shall be no more than 10 years older or younger except they can not box against a boxer younger than 35. They box 3 two minute rounds and wear 12 oz gloves. All other rules apply and they are members of USA Boxing. Many master division shows are marketed as "white collar" since they are older and usually do not have prior boxing experience. In the US, any amateur show not sanctioned by USA Boxing would be illegal but they happen in some places. If the boxers were getting paid, it would be a pro show that would have to have the state athletic commission involved who oversee pro boxing in each state. There are not too many shows that would be considered unlicensed as they would not be covered by insurance.

[banger]

so nobody actually knows if you can or cant call it what you like? plus if you do call it white collar or unlicensed nobody has the right to tell people you cant call it one or the other. and what the proper definition of white collar boxing id just what they think it is. my boys get a small purse and a ticket deal just as they do on the other blokes shows. me and my friend are starting up an organisation is there anyway we can copyright it so that it comes under white collar?

bob no its not rob i get on with him

Bill you could try to get in touch with Alan Mortlock, does/did unlicensed boxing - IBA - at the Circus Tavern in Essex, maybe some other places too. Might be able to get some business done there.

alan mortlock top man...i trained with him when he ran a boxing fitness class.what a great motivator and character and his shows are a great night too.

[rob h]

Sounds like he's just trying it on. He probably has done it before and scared off other Competition.

Stand your ground and put on better shows than him and I'm sure he will go away.

[slapbangwhallop]

so nobody actually knows if you can or cant call it what you like? plus if you do call it white collar or unlicensed nobody has the right to tell people you cant call it one or the other. and what the proper definition of white collar boxing id just what they think it is. my boys get a small purse and a ticket deal just as they do on the other blokes shows. me and my friend are starting up an organisation is there anyway we can copyright it so that it comes under white collar?

bob no its not rob i get on with him

Bill I think we have been provided with all the answers above already.

"White Collar" is purely a marketing term and has no legal or official definition. "White Collar" is an American term equating approximately to what we would describe as "middle class" - with "Blue Collar" being working class.

So as outlined above, "White Collar Boxing" was dreamt up for city boys to have a pop at each other.

It is unlicenced as its not sanctioned by the BBBofC or ABA so there is no difference in "unlicenced boxing" and "white collar boxing". The reason they use the term "White Collar Boxing" is because "unlicenced boxing" sounds like it is dangerous and takes place in some disused warehouse - but its the same thing technically.