Patterson-Chuvalo

[ThatOne]

I watched the fight on ESPN Classic. What made the fight even more interesting was that Muhammad Ali was doing the commentary with Don Dunphy and there was a post fight analysis with Rocky Marciano, Floyd Patterson, and some writer whose name I forgot. Muhammad Ali started out by saying Chuvalo would win but changed his prediction after the first round. I also watched Ali do color commentary on the Foreman-Norton fight and he picked Norton. I think he picked the fighter he wanted to win. I also watched Ali do post fight commentary on the first Foreman-Frazier fight. He said that Frazier took him lightly and would win a rematch . He also said Frazier used the wrong style and he would be happy to train him for the rematch. That was hilarious.


Back to the Chuvalo-Patterson fight. Patterson fought a smart strategic fight and smartly refused to fight Chuvalo on the inside. Dunphy said Chuvalo's style was reminiscent of Marciano's style and Ali replied that the Rock would have knocked out both Patterson and Chuvalo in the first round. Ali held Rocky in incredible high esteem. In the post fight analysis they asked Rocky about Ali's remark. It was awkwad because Floyd was sitting there and Floyd was a nice, quiet man. Rocky diplomatically said "whenever you fight a man of his talent who is in good shape the results are unpredictable."

I also watched Patterson-Maxim, Ali-Miteff, Ali-Jones, Ali-Liston, and Liston- Folley. Liston reminds me of Foreman but he wasn't as big. Any good fighter who could fight him from a distance was going to give him trouble; surprised Floyd didn't do better.

[Goodnight, Irene]

In some ways, Liston was bigger than Foreman. Broader neck, longer reach, wider fist girth. Liston had some freakish measurements.

He was a few inches shorter than Foreman, & a touch lighter, which gives the immediate impression he was smaller, but that isn't completely the case. Also, Patterson was never a distance, jab-&-move fighter. Why would you expect him to do better? Liston, stylistically, had most trouble with the boxer-movers & counter-punchers. Patterson was more-or-less a come-forward boxer.

[funso banjo baby]

there was such an obvious difference in power with Liston and Patterson....it was a couple of total steam roller jobs ...and on reflection only the kind of jab and move cluster combos from Clay would ever really beat the bear.

[granberry]

on reflection only the kind of jab and move cluster combos from Clay would ever really beat the bear.

LOL

Only in a FIXED fight could Ali even dream of beating Liston.

[BoxBuzz]

I invite anyone to take a look a the first Ali Liston fight, watch it closely in it's entirety granberry even you if you will watch again without prejudice and just be honest with yourself will see a man lose his will to win during the course of the fight, it's evident that he gives up along the way because he simply didn't have the cards that night. It's absolutely clear that Liston expects to win in the beginning he's sure of it, and slowy he "discovers" he simply can not do it. You can read it clearly in his eyes, facial expressions and body language. There was no fix in that fight period.

The second time for whatever reason Liston just came to pick up his check. It was all in Liston's psyche. He was once again certain of the outcome and chose not to take his beating IMHO.

But there is nothing more entertaining than chasing and adding fuel to a good old fashion conspiracy. But that is all it is for anyone who simply takes the time to review the tapes.

[Robinson]

I watched Patterson - Chuvallo before I left for my fight last week.
Tried to get inspiration from some of Floyd's bouts. I like this one.
In this fight you can also see Patterson's character, he was always
polite and respectful to the boarish Chuvalo who always seemed
to know how to break a rule or two.

While Ali held Marciano in such high regards, I doubt very much
that Marciano would have KOd either man in one. Interestingly enough
Marciano seemed to have a soft spot for Patterson, and if I am not
mistaken took Chuvalo on as a protege ?

I like this fight, it has good action, good inside work and shows the
bravery and hard work of Patterson.

[HomicideHenry]

I loved the commentary with Ali and Marciano, where Ali says that Marciano could have beat Chuvalo and Patterson on the same night. Was the closest thing Ali ever said to compliment a fighter to be on par with himself, imo, since Ali defeated Patterson and would later Chuvalo.

[Robinson]

Ali did at times say nice things about other fighters..... on
occasion. Though you could not help but to think it was
self serving :P

[HomicideHenry]

I do have to say though, I dont care what Chuvalo said on some of the documentaries I have seen on him, that he did NOT beat Floyd Patterson in that fight. I dont see how he beat Terrell either. I do agree, though, that he did give Muhammad Ali his toughest fight up til that point.

[granberry]

Buzz the boxing expert repeats the Hauser talking points word for word.

Great stuff, buzz.

You know so much about boxing.