Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:Courtsey Rick Farris

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Proud To Be An American . . .

This past thursday, December 3rd, Monica was sworn in as an American citizen with more than 900 other immigrants.
The ceremony was held in Montebello, at the Quiet Cannon, in the same room where boxing matches are held on occasion.

This is something my wife has waited for since arriving in this country on December 4, 1995.
Monica left Brazil 1989, full of dreams that could not be realized in her country.

She first went to Portugal, then to France, and then Holland. Learning the language of each country she lived in.
Monica's true love is language, and she has always had a goal to learn to speak as many as she can fluently.
When she arived in America, her ultimate dream, she didn't speak a word of English. Today she speaks it fluently.

When we arrived at the Quiet Cannon, Monica was nervous, she had waited her entire life for this moment.
Watching the ceremony was a great experience for me, as an American. We tend to take things for granted in this country.
This was a reality check for me. Sometimes we don't appreciate just how much we have.
On this day, more than 900 new American citizens didn't need to be reminded of how great America is.

As I watched the ceremony from the guest area, I was deeply touched to see a dozen American military personnel recieve their citezenship.
Young men and women from all over the world, already in the U.S. military, were becoming citizens. This brought a tears to my eyes.
A video was played on a large screen in the front of the auditorium, a message from President Obama, welcoming the new Americans.

Monica had tears in her eyes thruout the ceremony. She had finally achieved her ultimate goal. Monica is now a proud American.
And I am proud of her. She is quite a lady. I guess I just got lucky.


-Rick Farris

Rick
That shot is priceless. :TU:You didn't get lucky. Monica wouldn't have had anything to do with you if she hadn't seen the qualities you have. :TU:
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USC had a bad year guys...Talk about depression, Charlie is depress big time, he is lookin' for the Patron (Tequil)... :OhYes: . Btw, Chata is happy about the out-come of the game... :lol:
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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:AGING GRACIOUSLY

After making a couple of early posts and went for my morning constitutional. Just came back. Made a hot tea.Sweating a little. I'm on the keyboard.

With the gimpy hip, I'm down to walking. I go ,usually,for a walk around the small shopping center near where I live. As I was passing the Home Town Buffet.,I saw an old guy wearing the Red And Yellow Cap. He was struggling to put his walker in the back of the car. A woman with a page boy cut reddish hair was watching him. She was around my age.

I stopped my walk.
"My Dad was a Marine too,"I said to him."He was at Okinawa and Pelieau."
The old timer looked up bracing himself on the walker.He studied me.
"I was Ist Division.Guadacanal through Okinawa."
My lips started to quiver.
"My Dad was Ist Division. 5 Corps,"I said stumbling over my my words.
"Yeah,"the old man said.
I gave him a quick thumbs up and shook his hand. I looked at the woman. She was smiling warmly at me.

I continued my walk around the shopping center. About half way down the parking lot I looked back over my shoulder. The red headed woman was looking at me smiling still.
Thanks for sharing that Rog, I appreciate it. Some of us guys here like to talk about our dads and when we do so we do it with pride. I can always feel the pride you have in your father , Rog, when you write or mention him. Sometimes I have to read between the lines with you. Sometimes you down play it. Sometimes the very core of your story can be read in one line or one sentence. I read your stories loud and clear.

My own father's birthday will becoming up on the 16th. he would have been 86. He died at 57 on May 7th, 1981. Sometimes when I do write about him I wonder if everyone gets tired of hearing it but I write anyway. I think when it comes to our fathers we can't but help looking at them from a young boy's eyes. I know, at times, that's how I still see my father. Our father' were regular Joe's and yet in their own ways there was nothing regular about them.

Here's to all our Dads
Randy

Thanks Randy
Being a school teacher all these years I've seen many kids that have problems. A lack of values and little proper guidance.Low self esteem. I attribute most of these problems to a lack of a good father figure in the house. Mothers will almost always give their undivided devotion to their children. Sometimes this indulgence isn't healthy if there isn't a father around. I think we've been fortunate to have had dads that also gave us their devotion,but at times had to lay down the ground rules.

The thing that I've learned being a teacher after all these years is to throw in some of the father figure techniques,especially with the kids who don't have dads. It's something that is not taught to you when taking classes on becoming a teacher. You learn those things from your dad.
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kikibalt wrote:USC had a bad year guys...Talk about depression, Charlie is depress big time, he is lookin' for the Patron (Tequil)... :OhYes: . Btw, Chata is happy about the out-come of the game... :lol:
Patron tequila? Thanks Charlie.I'm going to the liquor cabinet now. I'll have one with you. :TU:
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:USC had a bad year guys...Talk about depression, Charlie is depress big time, he is lookin' for the Patron (Tequil)... :OhYes: . Btw, Chata is happy about the out-come of the game... :lol:
Patron tequila? Thanks Charlie.I'm going to the liquor cabinet now. I'll have one with you. :TU:
Buena idea, amigo! Creo que voy a beber una botella entera. :OhYes:
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kikibalt wrote:Courtsey Rick Farris

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Proud To Be An American . . .

This past thursday, December 3rd, Monica was sworn in as an American citizen with more than 900 other immigrants.
The ceremony was held in Montebello, at the Quiet Cannon, in the same room where boxing matches are held on occasion.

This is something my wife has waited for since arriving in this country on December 4, 1995.
Monica left Brazil 1989, full of dreams that could not be realized in her country.

She first went to Portugal, then to France, and then Holland. Learning the language of each country she lived in.
Monica's true love is language, and she has always had a goal to learn to speak as many as she can fluently.
When she arived in America, her ultimate dream, she didn't speak a word of English. Today she speaks it fluently.

When we arrived at the Quiet Cannon, Monica was nervous, she had waited her entire life for this moment.
Watching the ceremony was a great experience for me, as an American. We tend to take things for granted in this country.
This was a reality check for me. Sometimes we don't appreciate just how much we have.
On this day, more than 900 new American citizens didn't need to be reminded of how great America is.

As I watched the ceremony from the guest area, I was deeply touched to see a dozen American military personnel recieve their citezenship.
Young men and women from all over the world, already in the U.S. military, were becoming citizens. This brought a tears to my eyes.
A video was played on a large screen in the front of the auditorium, a message from President Obama, welcoming the new Americans.

Monica had tears in her eyes thruout the ceremony. She had finally achieved her ultimate goal. Monica is now a proud American.
And I am proud of her. She is quite a lady. I guess I just got lucky.


-Rick Farris
Dude, this is a true feel good story. Please convey my congrats to Monica. A special lady.

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Fights on HBO at 6:30 PM, two fat boys are fighting on the first fight.... :OhYes:
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scartissue wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Courtsey Rick Farris

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Proud To Be An American . . .

This past thursday, December 3rd, Monica was sworn in as an American citizen with more than 900 other immigrants.
The ceremony was held in Montebello, at the Quiet Cannon, in the same room where boxing matches are held on occasion.

This is something my wife has waited for since arriving in this country on December 4, 1995.
Monica left Brazil 1989, full of dreams that could not be realized in her country.

She first went to Portugal, then to France, and then Holland. Learning the language of each country she lived in.
Monica's true love is language, and she has always had a goal to learn to speak as many as she can fluently.
When she arived in America, her ultimate dream, she didn't speak a word of English. Today she speaks it fluently.

When we arrived at the Quiet Cannon, Monica was nervous, she had waited her entire life for this moment.
Watching the ceremony was a great experience for me, as an American. We tend to take things for granted in this country.
This was a reality check for me. Sometimes we don't appreciate just how much we have.
On this day, more than 900 new American citizens didn't need to be reminded of how great America is.

As I watched the ceremony from the guest area, I was deeply touched to see a dozen American military personnel recieve their citezenship.
Young men and women from all over the world, already in the U.S. military, were becoming citizens. This brought a tears to my eyes.
A video was played on a large screen in the front of the auditorium, a message from President Obama, welcoming the new Americans.

Monica had tears in her eyes thruout the ceremony. She had finally achieved her ultimate goal. Monica is now a proud American.
And I am proud of her. She is quite a lady. I guess I just got lucky.


-Rick Farris
Dude, this is a true feel good story. Please convey my congrats to Monica. A special lady.

Scartissue
Ditto!
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Thanks guys. And thank you Frank for posting this for me.
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Rick, please give my congrats and best wishes to Monica.
What a great day.
One thing though, the last line in your post you said you guess you just got lucky.
I dont think it was luck my friend. You to deserve one another and thats why you are together.
Two wonderful people and thats where its at. :TU:
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Expug wrote:Rick, please give my congrats and best wishes to Monica.
What a great day.
One thing though, the last line in your post you said you guess you just got lucky.
I dont think it was luck my friend. You to deserve one another and thats why you are together.
Two wonderful people and thats where its at. :TU:

Thank you, Brian. We are good to each other, and good for each other.
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Rick,

What a proud day for Monica. Congratulations, Monica.

I can remember the day when I became an American citizen over 30 years ago. It was very special for me. There were only about 10 immigrants on that day. I remember how proud I was. Immediately after the ceremony I was interviewed by NBC and told them how I felt being a citizen of this blessed country. During this period of my life I was helping Ronald Regan with his campaign when he was running for President.(I also helped him in 1966 when he was elected as Governor of California). Vincent Thomas, legislator was like a father to me and was the one who guided me in getting my citizenship. From first coming to the United States in the trunk of a car to becoming an American citizen was a huge accomplishment and one of the greatest moments of my life.

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It's great reading your posts I have always admired the " New Americans" for their passion for the country that has taken them in so willingly sad to say here in Britain there is not the same passion the majority that come here only come for easy welfare state not to contribute to the advancement of the country.
These little Islands have reached capacity & only now are our weak politicians making some attempt to curb immigration.
I have always been proud to call myself English 1st & British 2Nd but now in what was (& I know you guys over there will dispute this) the finest country in the world I am not allowed to call myself English I can only be British or a citizen of UK we have suffered political genocide a nation has been whipped off the earth without a drop of blood being shed.
When I visit USA if when filling in the green card before arriving if I write English as nationality I will be refused entry so the land of the free is even conspiring with UK to wipe us out.
My friends never lose the love for your nation it's too late for me
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Chuck1052 wrote:In regards to Alice McGrath, I saw her speak once at Ventura College. There was a lot of coverage about her in the Ventura County Star over the last few days.

- Chuck Johnston
Chuck...I seen Alice McGrath in 1978 at the Mark Taper Theater, now Mark Taper Forum, when I went to see the play "Zoot Suit", she was young then, hell, we were all young then.... :lol:
To Alice McGrath, who changed the world
Beginning with her role in the 1940s Sleepy Lagoon trial, hers was a life lived for social justice.

By Carlos Valdez Lozano

December 6, 2009

Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson,

from "Self-Reliance"

'Imay not have changed the world," Alice McGrath once told me, "but I've lived a life I feel good about."

That's how she saw it. But the truth is, Alice did change the world.

A fighter for social justice all her life, she played a key role in one of California's first civil rights cases, coordinating efforts to overturn the wrongful convictions of 12 Mexican American men for the murder of a man found dead near a reservoir known as Sleepy Lagoon. The men were tried en masse in 1940s L.A., amid a climate of racism and open hostility that extended into the courtroom. The case, she always maintained, was about due process.

"If they lose, I lose. We all lose," said the character of Alice in Luis Valdez's celebrated play, "Zoot Suit," which was based on the trial. "I am not Lady Charity trying to help the Mexicans -- I am doing this for us."

Alice was born on April 5, 1917, the daughter of Russian Jewish immigrants who fled their country because of discrimination.

She died on Nov. 27, with the satisfaction, she told me not long ago, of having seen Barack Obama elected president.

I was lucky enough to have called Alice a friend, and I can tell you, she packed a lot of living into her 92 years. It was a life too large for a book, much less a newspaper column.

For those new to her story, here are the highlights:

She helped organize a birthday celebration in Los Angeles in 1951 for the distinguished African American author W.E.B. Du Bois, who later became a dear friend; she taught martial arts to women (because she believed it would empower them) and wrote a book about it called "Self-Defense for Cowards"; though not a lawyer herself, she developed a legal aid program for the poor in Ventura County; and she led 85 humanitarian aid trips to war-scarred Nicaragua.

She was also an invincible conversationalist, an orthodox liberal (make that radical), a great teller of jokes and an awful lot of fun to be around. Her life's work may have been about helping others, but she would be the first to tell you she was no saint.

"Never pass up the opportunity to have a good time" was one of her commandments. And she meant it

She was no pistol. She was a cannon. She had a serious mind and focused on serious things, but she also liked her vodka martinis and had a wit to match Dorothy Parker's.

Her 1950s FBI file declared that the one-time communist sympathizer had "no known weaknesses."

I once asked her if that was true. She replied, rather dismissively, "Oh, that's just because they didn't think women liked sex back then."

I first met Alice in 1995, when I was a reporter covering a political campaign in Ventura County. At her request, we met for breakfast at a local hotel to discuss some related matters.

"Do you know who I am?" she asked.

"No," I said.

When I reminded her of that tense meeting years later, she said, "I sounded so arrogant."

I told her that was OK: "I sounded so ignorant."

We remained close friends for the next 14 years. She taught me a lot about California history, about Faulkner and Mark Twain and about life and how to live it.

We traveled to England and Spain together. She introduced me to her friends. We had lunch once with Luis Valdez and Dolores Huerta in San Juan Bautista, Calif. We had dinner with Studs Terkel in Chicago. And we would have visited Harold Pinter in London if he hadn't come down with a cold.

The conversation was never dull. "Did I ever tell you about the time I took Martin Sheen and Daniel Ellsberg to Nicaragua?" she might say. "Or how about the time I was hired as a martial arts instructor on the 'I Love Lucy' show?"

She used to boast that she had never eaten a Big Mac (because everyone else did), never saw "Gone With the Wind" (because she thought it racist) and never locked her doors (because she believed it to be un-neighborly).

Her favorite toast was her own: "To kisses and journeys, the only things that last."

She was not religious. And she was not sentimental. She could be hard on people. You never wanted to be on the wrong end of her lacerating wit.

She was married three times but maintained a fierce independence. She always said her second husband, the poet Thomas McGrath, was the love of her life.

Her best friend and mentor was the California historian and activist Carey McWilliams, who persuaded the then-young community organizer to become director of the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee. Her job would include public speaking, organizing fundraisers, writing a newsletter and keeping track of court records.

"But I've never done anything like this before," she told McWilliams.

"And so, now you will," he said.

Whenever she spoke publicly about the case, Alice never failed to mention the outstanding work and dedication of defense attorneys Ben Margolis Jr. and George Shibley. For her, it was always about the law.

The last time I saw Alice was in September. I took her to lunch at a restaurant in Ventura. She was already in poor health and hard of hearing.

She talked about death. She was not afraid of it. If she were to become gravelly ill or incapacitated, she was adamant that "no heroic measures" be taken to save her life.

And so when the time came, she left this world exactly how she lived in it, with her courage and dignity intact.

[email protected]
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telboy66 wrote:It's great reading your posts I have always admired the " New Americans" for their passion for the country that has taken them in so willingly sad to say here in Britain there is not the same passion the majority that come here only come for easy welfare state not to contribute to the advancement of the country.
These little Islands have reached capacity & only now are our weak politicians making some attempt to curb immigration.
I have always been proud to call myself English 1st & British 2Nd but now in what was (& I know you guys over there will dispute this) the finest country in the world I am not allowed to call myself English I can only be British or a citizen of UK we have suffered political genocide a nation has been whipped off the earth without a drop of blood being shed.
When I visit USA if when filling in the green card before arriving if I write English as nationality I will be refused entry so the land of the free is even conspiring with UK to wipe us out.
My friends never lose the love for your nation it's too late for me

telboy

We have racial issues here too. It goes all the way back to slavery. Then the Irish came over and they were ridiculed. The Chinese were brought as a cheap labor source to build the railroads and they suffered from discrimination. At the turn of the century it was Eastern Europeans and my ancestors,Southern Italians,who were pushed around. Today it's Hispanics and Middle Easterners who are targeted.

We have a President who is half White,but considering who you listen to,he's Black and that's either a positive or a negative. Mexican immigrants are accused of "stealing"U.S. jobs here because they work cheap,yet big corporations think nothing of closing down the factory here (laying off thousands)and moving the plant to China for a cheap labor force,a break on taxes,and no pollution controls.

If an immigrant comes here he has to "assimilate".I don't know what that means anymore. I work at a school that's 90% Mexican ancestry.For example I don't see Mexicans giving up eating Mexican food. Most are bi lingual,but if they speak Spanish with each other,some people feel they are talking about them. The Whites and the Blacks have buried their prejuduces at my school with each other and resent the Mexicans. Maybe it has to do with numbers. Go to Mexico and the prejuduce is incredible,especially within their race.If you're a Chicano the cops will often give you a bad time if they know.Oscar De La Hoya is dislkied in Mexico. Never had a fight there.He's a "Chicano",an American. But a White American won't get the abuse a Mexican/American will get.

telboy,with the World's economy going in the tank,I see more and more fingers pointed at each other with racial accusations being the reason for someone not having a job or not making enough money.

Oh,I almost forgot. If you're poor,somehow you're a scape goat too. :witzend:
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kikibalt wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Chuck1052 wrote:In regards to Alice McGrath, I saw her speak once at Ventura College. There was a lot of coverage about her in the Ventura County Star over the last few days.

- Chuck Johnston
Chuck...I seen Alice McGrath in 1978 at the Mark Taper Theater, now Mark Taper Forum, when I went to see the play "Zoot Suit", she was young then, hell, we were all young then.... :lol:
To Alice McGrath, who changed the world
Beginning with her role in the 1940s Sleepy Lagoon trial, hers was a life lived for social justice.

By Carlos Valdez Lozano

December 6, 2009

Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson,

from "Self-Reliance"

'Imay not have changed the world," Alice McGrath once told me, "but I've lived a life I feel good about."

That's how she saw it. But the truth is, Alice did change the world.

A fighter for social justice all her life, she played a key role in one of California's first civil rights cases, coordinating efforts to overturn the wrongful convictions of 12 Mexican American men for the murder of a man found dead near a reservoir known as Sleepy Lagoon. The men were tried en masse in 1940s L.A., amid a climate of racism and open hostility that extended into the courtroom. The case, she always maintained, was about due process.

"If they lose, I lose. We all lose," said the character of Alice in Luis Valdez's celebrated play, "Zoot Suit," which was based on the trial. "I am not Lady Charity trying to help the Mexicans -- I am doing this for us."

Alice was born on April 5, 1917, the daughter of Russian Jewish immigrants who fled their country because of discrimination.

She died on Nov. 27, with the satisfaction, she told me not long ago, of having seen Barack Obama elected president.

I was lucky enough to have called Alice a friend, and I can tell you, she packed a lot of living into her 92 years. It was a life too large for a book, much less a newspaper column.

For those new to her story, here are the highlights:

She helped organize a birthday celebration in Los Angeles in 1951 for the distinguished African American author W.E.B. Du Bois, who later became a dear friend; she taught martial arts to women (because she believed it would empower them) and wrote a book about it called "Self-Defense for Cowards"; though not a lawyer herself, she developed a legal aid program for the poor in Ventura County; and she led 85 humanitarian aid trips to war-scarred Nicaragua.

She was also an invincible conversationalist, an orthodox liberal (make that radical), a great teller of jokes and an awful lot of fun to be around. Her life's work may have been about helping others, but she would be the first to tell you she was no saint.

"Never pass up the opportunity to have a good time" was one of her commandments. And she meant it

She was no pistol. She was a cannon. She had a serious mind and focused on serious things, but she also liked her vodka martinis and had a wit to match Dorothy Parker's.

Her 1950s FBI file declared that the one-time communist sympathizer had "no known weaknesses."

I once asked her if that was true. She replied, rather dismissively, "Oh, that's just because they didn't think women liked sex back then."

I first met Alice in 1995, when I was a reporter covering a political campaign in Ventura County. At her request, we met for breakfast at a local hotel to discuss some related matters.

"Do you know who I am?" she asked.

"No," I said.

When I reminded her of that tense meeting years later, she said, "I sounded so arrogant."

I told her that was OK: "I sounded so ignorant."

We remained close friends for the next 14 years. She taught me a lot about California history, about Faulkner and Mark Twain and about life and how to live it.

We traveled to England and Spain together. She introduced me to her friends. We had lunch once with Luis Valdez and Dolores Huerta in San Juan Bautista, Calif. We had dinner with Studs Terkel in Chicago. And we would have visited Harold Pinter in London if he hadn't come down with a cold.

The conversation was never dull. "Did I ever tell you about the time I took Martin Sheen and Daniel Ellsberg to Nicaragua?" she might say. "Or how about the time I was hired as a martial arts instructor on the 'I Love Lucy' show?"

She used to boast that she had never eaten a Big Mac (because everyone else did), never saw "Gone With the Wind" (because she thought it racist) and never locked her doors (because she believed it to be un-neighborly).

Her favorite toast was her own: "To kisses and journeys, the only things that last."

She was not religious. And she was not sentimental. She could be hard on people. You never wanted to be on the wrong end of her lacerating wit.

She was married three times but maintained a fierce independence. She always said her second husband, the poet Thomas McGrath, was the love of her life.

Her best friend and mentor was the California historian and activist Carey McWilliams, who persuaded the then-young community organizer to become director of the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee. Her job would include public speaking, organizing fundraisers, writing a newsletter and keeping track of court records.

"But I've never done anything like this before," she told McWilliams.

"And so, now you will," he said.

Whenever she spoke publicly about the case, Alice never failed to mention the outstanding work and dedication of defense attorneys Ben Margolis Jr. and George Shibley. For her, it was always about the law.

The last time I saw Alice was in September. I took her to lunch at a restaurant in Ventura. She was already in poor health and hard of hearing.

She talked about death. She was not afraid of it. If she were to become gravelly ill or incapacitated, she was adamant that "no heroic measures" be taken to save her life.

And so when the time came, she left this world exactly how she lived in it, with her courage and dignity intact.

[email protected]

Frank
PBS several years ago made a documentary of the Sleepy Lagoon murder and the Zoot Suit Riots. I bought the film and show it to my classes each year,but PBS doesn't sell it anymore. I can't find it on Ebay nor Amazon. I'm going to see if I can copy it and send you a copy,but it might be impossible to copy. I'll let you know.Rog
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Zapata photo shrouded in mystery

For years it was thought that German-born Hugo Brehme took the famous shot of the Mexican revolutionary with crisscrossed bandoleers. But technology has pointed historians in another direction.

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"It's an emblematic image in the history of Mexico," says Mayra Mendoza, deputy director of the government's photographic collection in the central state of Hidalgo. "Who gave us this photo?" (Associated Press)

By Ken Ellingwood

December 6, 2009

Reporting from Pachuca, Mexico - The famous rebel poses in full regalia, his right hand gripping an Old West carbine, his left steadying a sword that dangles from the waist. You recognize the bushy mustache, broad sombrero, crisscrossed bandoleers.

It's an icon of Mexican history: a black-and-white photograph of Emiliano Zapata believed taken in 1911, a year after the outbreak of the Mexican Revolution.

Published in a Mexican newspaper two years later and reproduced since then in history textbooks and on postcards, T-shirts and shopping bags, the Zapata image is almost as famous as that of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

With so much exposure, you'd think the photograph had little left to reveal to the world. Yet an intriguing question hovers: Who took the picture?

That mystery resurfaced last month when a researcher at Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History announced that, based on her examination of a faint inscription on the photo, the image was not the work of Hugo Brehme, the well-known German photographer who had been credited.

The finding made headlines as Mexicans were marking the 99th anniversary of the messy, decade-long fight that turned Zapata, leader of a peasant army, into an enduring folk hero. He was gunned down in 1919 in an ambush.

"It's an emblematic image in the history of Mexico, and we don't know who took it," said Mayra Mendoza, deputy director of the government's photographic collection here in the central state of Hidalgo. "Who gave us this photo?"

Mendoza's conclusion ruling out Brehme sends the issue back to square one.

Brehme had been declared the photographer 14 years earlier, when researchers at another museum said his name could be seen in the inscription near the bottom of the image. Before that, credit for the photo was given to Agustin Victor Casasola. His family's well-known photo agency dealt pictures for decades until it sold the government its collection of more than 350,000 images, including that of Zapata, in 1976.

Modern Mexican textbooks credit Brehme, who moved to Mexico in 1905 and won acclaim mainly for his landscape shots. He died in 1954.

But Mendoza, who has studied the German photographer's work for six years, said Brehme couldn't have taken the picture. For one thing, he didn't take a single other photograph of the legend.

For another, she said, the inscription is in the wrong language. Working off a negative made from a print, Mendoza and fellow researchers employed computer technology to scrub away everything but the text that is all but invisible in the lower corner, below the tip of the sword.

There, in script, is a string of words -- in English. (Brehme signed in Spanish or German.) "Zapata, Photo and Copyright by". . . . And here comes the trickiest part. The name is too faint to make out clearly, but appears to be "F. Moray" or "F. McKay," or something similar. It is not Brehme, Mendoza said.

Her conclusion: The photographer probably was an American, perhaps one of the journalists and adventurers who flocked across the border into Mexico during the chaos that erupted after the overthrow of dictator Porfirio Diaz.

She figures that the photographer never became well known in Mexico. She has found no other evidence of a "Moray" or "McKay" working as a photographer in Mexico at that time.

Could an obscure U.S. photographer have ventured to Zapata's Cuernavaca barracks, south of Mexico City, and taken a portrait of the revolutionary without leaving any other trace? If so, who?

"Someone else can investigate that," Mendoza said. "The field is open."

Already there are murmurs. One scholar of the revolutionary period, Miguel Angel Berumen, agreed that the photographer was someone other than Brehme. But Berumen was coy, telling a Mexican newspaper that he'd unveil his hypothesis in a planned book on Zapata.

For now, we just have the photograph. Zapata looks defiant at the base of a stairway, his gaze aimed slightly to the left. A few onlookers take in the scene. Around them, Mexico trembles with unrest.

A photographer frames the rebel leader, who has turned the toe of his boot toward the camera. Then, in the blink of a mechanical eye, an image is born -- one the world will remember.

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Chuck1052 wrote:In regards to Alice McGrath, I saw her speak once at Ventura College. There was a lot of coverage about her in the Ventura County Star over the last few days.

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Chuck...I seen Alice McGrath in 1978 at the Mark Taper Theater, now Mark Taper Forum, when I went to see the play "Zoot Suit", she was young then, hell, we were all young then.... :lol:
To Alice McGrath, who changed the world
Beginning with her role in the 1940s Sleepy Lagoon trial, hers was a life lived for social justice.

By Carlos Valdez Lozano

December 6, 2009

Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson,

from "Self-Reliance"

'Imay not have changed the world," Alice McGrath once told me, "but I've lived a life I feel good about."

That's how she saw it. But the truth is, Alice did change the world.

A fighter for social justice all her life, she played a key role in one of California's first civil rights cases, coordinating efforts to overturn the wrongful convictions of 12 Mexican American men for the murder of a man found dead near a reservoir known as Sleepy Lagoon. The men were tried en masse in 1940s L.A., amid a climate of racism and open hostility that extended into the courtroom. The case, she always maintained, was about due process.

"If they lose, I lose. We all lose," said the character of Alice in Luis Valdez's celebrated play, "Zoot Suit," which was based on the trial. "I am not Lady Charity trying to help the Mexicans -- I am doing this for us."

Alice was born on April 5, 1917, the daughter of Russian Jewish immigrants who fled their country because of discrimination.

She died on Nov. 27, with the satisfaction, she told me not long ago, of having seen Barack Obama elected president.

I was lucky enough to have called Alice a friend, and I can tell you, she packed a lot of living into her 92 years. It was a life too large for a book, much less a newspaper column.

For those new to her story, here are the highlights:

She helped organize a birthday celebration in Los Angeles in 1951 for the distinguished African American author W.E.B. Du Bois, who later became a dear friend; she taught martial arts to women (because she believed it would empower them) and wrote a book about it called "Self-Defense for Cowards"; though not a lawyer herself, she developed a legal aid program for the poor in Ventura County; and she led 85 humanitarian aid trips to war-scarred Nicaragua.

She was also an invincible conversationalist, an orthodox liberal (make that radical), a great teller of jokes and an awful lot of fun to be around. Her life's work may have been about helping others, but she would be the first to tell you she was no saint.

"Never pass up the opportunity to have a good time" was one of her commandments. And she meant it

She was no pistol. She was a cannon. She had a serious mind and focused on serious things, but she also liked her vodka martinis and had a wit to match Dorothy Parker's.

Her 1950s FBI file declared that the one-time communist sympathizer had "no known weaknesses."

I once asked her if that was true. She replied, rather dismissively, "Oh, that's just because they didn't think women liked sex back then."

I first met Alice in 1995, when I was a reporter covering a political campaign in Ventura County. At her request, we met for breakfast at a local hotel to discuss some related matters.

"Do you know who I am?" she asked.

"No," I said.

When I reminded her of that tense meeting years later, she said, "I sounded so arrogant."

I told her that was OK: "I sounded so ignorant."

We remained close friends for the next 14 years. She taught me a lot about California history, about Faulkner and Mark Twain and about life and how to live it.

We traveled to England and Spain together. She introduced me to her friends. We had lunch once with Luis Valdez and Dolores Huerta in San Juan Bautista, Calif. We had dinner with Studs Terkel in Chicago. And we would have visited Harold Pinter in London if he hadn't come down with a cold.

The conversation was never dull. "Did I ever tell you about the time I took Martin Sheen and Daniel Ellsberg to Nicaragua?" she might say. "Or how about the time I was hired as a martial arts instructor on the 'I Love Lucy' show?"

She used to boast that she had never eaten a Big Mac (because everyone else did), never saw "Gone With the Wind" (because she thought it racist) and never locked her doors (because she believed it to be un-neighborly).

Her favorite toast was her own: "To kisses and journeys, the only things that last."

She was not religious. And she was not sentimental. She could be hard on people. You never wanted to be on the wrong end of her lacerating wit.

She was married three times but maintained a fierce independence. She always said her second husband, the poet Thomas McGrath, was the love of her life.

Her best friend and mentor was the California historian and activist Carey McWilliams, who persuaded the then-young community organizer to become director of the Sleepy Lagoon Defense Committee. Her job would include public speaking, organizing fundraisers, writing a newsletter and keeping track of court records.

"But I've never done anything like this before," she told McWilliams.

"And so, now you will," he said.

Whenever she spoke publicly about the case, Alice never failed to mention the outstanding work and dedication of defense attorneys Ben Margolis Jr. and George Shibley. For her, it was always about the law.

The last time I saw Alice was in September. I took her to lunch at a restaurant in Ventura. She was already in poor health and hard of hearing.

She talked about death. She was not afraid of it. If she were to become gravelly ill or incapacitated, she was adamant that "no heroic measures" be taken to save her life.

And so when the time came, she left this world exactly how she lived in it, with her courage and dignity intact.

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PBS several years ago made a documentary of the Sleepy Lagoon murder and the Zoot Suit Riots. I bought the film and show it to my classes each year,but PBS doesn't sell it anymore. I can't find it on Ebay nor Amazon. I'm going to see if I can copy it and send you a copy,but it might be impossible to copy. I'll let you know.Rog
Thanks, Roger, its great if you could copy it...
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I could probably copy it to a disk.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
I could probably copy it to a disk.
That would be fine Roger
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Fritzie Zivic(for Brian)
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Fritzie Zivic(for Brian)

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Fritzie Zivic(for Brian)

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Wow!
Thanks Rog. Fantastic portrait of Fritzie.
Hes a favorite of mine for sure.
A guy could learn more in ten rounds with Zivic then these guys nowadays could learn in a career.
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Fritzie Zivic

Birth Name: Ferdinand Zivic
Born: 1913-05-08
Birthplace: Lawrenceville, Pennsylvania, USA
Died: 1984-05-17 (Age:71)
Nationality: US American
Hometown: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA

Record- 231 bouts/ 157-65-9 (82 KO's)

Height: 5′ 10″ / 178cm
Reach: 70″ / 178cm
Managers: Luke Carney (1931-1942), Louis Stokan (1942-1949)
Trainer: Bobby Quinn

World Welterweight Champion 1941-1942
One of the five fighting Zivic brothers: including Joe, Eddie, Pete and Jack
Joined the United States Army April 14, 1944 at the New Cumberland, PA army reception center, after being inducted in Pittsburgh.

Inducted into:
World Boxing Hall of Fame in 1987
International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1993.
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