Bubis Heavyweight Ranking Dezember 2004

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 13 Jan 2005, 14:05

BubiScholz wrote:guys like Barret, Whitaker, Guinn, Beck, Ainwande are totally overranked and by far not better than Sam or Krasniqi.

but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 13 Jan 2005, 14:22

knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:guys like Barret, Whitaker, Guinn, Beck, Ainwande are totally overranked and by far not better than Sam or Krasniqi.
but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.

Stop feeding the Troll he will not respond to logical and well founded arguments, if he wants to make his rediculouse statement let him, it has to be a wind up.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Jan 2005, 14:52

knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:guys like Barret, Whitaker, Guinn, Beck, Ainwande are totally overranked and by far not better than Sam or Krasniqi.
but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.

it would be gomez v sam all over again, except that akinwande is a natural heavyweight with even more advantages who hits harder.

Akinwande doesn't deserve to be rated though either, he's not won a significant fight in a long while. Actually maybe he does, after all the hoffman fight was only last year. Akinwande could conceivably get a title shot, if he signed with Don king of course.

jameswilson · Post by **jameswilson** » 13 Jan 2005, 15:17

BubiScholz wrote:
jameswilson wrote:That was the most biased load of tosh I have ever read.
you would rank Audley Harrsion and Danny Williams in a top ten. so what? we live in a free land

No I wouldnt. When have I ever said that Audley is a top10 Heavyweight right now. Sinan Samil Samm is not top10 Samm will not fight for a WBC, IBF or WBA title this year, I dont think Valuev will win a WT this year altho he may end up getting a shot because he is handily placed by the WBA (forget the WBO.)

Ruslan Chagaev will not fight for a WT nor will he fight in an eliminator for one. I dont even think he will fight for the European title this year.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:04

josh fg wrote:
knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:guys like Barret, Whitaker, Guinn, Beck, Ainwande are totally overranked and by far not better than Sam or Krasniqi.
but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.
Stop feeding the Troll he will not respond to logical and well founded arguments, if he wants to make his rediculouse statement let him, it has to be a wind up.

if you have a problem with me you can piss off!!!! your dad is a troll. it would have been better he jerked off....

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:08

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
knockout wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:guys like Barret, Whitaker, Guinn, Beck, Ainwande are totally overranked and by far not better than Sam or Krasniqi.
but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.
it would be gomez v sam all over again, except that akinwande is a natural heavyweight with even more advantages who hits harder.

Akinwande doesn't deserve to be rated though either, he's not won a significant fight in a long while. Actually maybe he does, after all the hoffman fight was only last year. Akinwande could conceivably get a title shot, if he signed with Don king of course.

Sam and Krasniqi would have no problem with Akinwande. he is one class behind them. Schulz and Hoffmann are by far not that skilled. The Hoffmann-Krasniqi-verdict was a political one between the two TV stations and Hoffmann made the fight of his life.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:16

BubiScholz wrote:
josh fg wrote:
knockout wrote: but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.
Stop feeding the Troll he will not respond to logical and well founded arguments, if he wants to make his rediculouse statement let him, it has to be a wind up.
if you have a problem with me you can piss off!!!! your dad is a troll. it would have been better he jerked off....

I think the idiocy of that comment pretty much sums you up Bubi....

Raff The Frenchman · Post by **Raff The Frenchman** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:19

in fact i would rate Golota in the top 5 HW...he beat Ruiz imo and drew (won?) with Byrd...that makes him even a top 3 HW

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:34

BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
knockout wrote: but akinwande beat Hoffman fairly comfortably... beat Axel Schultz second time comfortably so you can compare him favourably to Sam and Krasniqi. Styles wise i would Sam no chance of beating Akinwande and Krasniqi a slim chance.
it would be gomez v sam all over again, except that akinwande is a natural heavyweight with even more advantages who hits harder.

Akinwande doesn't deserve to be rated though either, he's not won a significant fight in a long while. Actually maybe he does, after all the hoffman fight was only last year. Akinwande could conceivably get a title shot, if he signed with Don king of course.
Sam and Krasniqi would have no problem with Akinwande. he is one class behind them. Schulz and Hoffmann are by far not that skilled. The Hoffmann-Krasniqi-verdict was a political one between the two TV stations and Hoffmann made the fight of his life.

What the fornicate are you on about, the only men to have beaten Akinwande are former world champions.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:36

Sam is a big lumbering ape, who has yet to fight beyond European level competition. He was absolutely raped by Gomez, and Akinwande in his prime was a better fighter than Gomez, at heavyweight.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 07:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Sam is a big lumbering ape, who has yet to fight beyond European level competition. He was absolutely raped by Gomez, and Akinwande in his prime was a better fighter than Gomez, at heavyweight.

Sam schooled a guy who was for 4 months britains hope for a world title and is now #6 WBC and has lost a lot of fat since he has been working with Ottkes coach. if you are not blind, please watch his fight vs Bakhtov and compare this fight to any heavy fight in the US. Sam would kill Toney who is a joke. his last fight was a farce.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 08:01

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: it would be gomez v sam all over again, except that akinwande is a natural heavyweight with even more advantages who hits harder.

Akinwande doesn't deserve to be rated though either, he's not won a significant fight in a long while. Actually maybe he does, after all the hoffman fight was only last year. Akinwande could conceivably get a title shot, if he signed with Don king of course.
Sam and Krasniqi would have no problem with Akinwande. he is one class behind them. Schulz and Hoffmann are by far not that skilled. The Hoffmann-Krasniqi-verdict was a political one between the two TV stations and Hoffmann made the fight of his life.
What the fornicate are you on about, the only men to have beaten Akinwande are former world champions.

you are so funny, james. the biggest names on his winning-list are Axel Schulz and Jonny Nelson........

Sam would send him into retirement.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 08:09

BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Sam is a big lumbering ape, who has yet to fight beyond European level competition. He was absolutely raped by Gomez, and Akinwande in his prime was a better fighter than Gomez, at heavyweight.
Sam schooled a guy who was for 4 months britains hope for a world title and is now #6 WBC and has lost a lot of fat since he has been working with Ottkes coach. if you are not blind, please watch his fight vs Bakhtov and compare this fight to any heavy fight in the US. Sam would kill Toney who is a joke. his last fight was a farce.

I will admit to not having seen his fight with Bakhtov, but I never rated Bakhtov highly anyhow.

No way on god's earth would Sam kill Toney, he might beat him, but nobody is going to destroy Toney, he's too skilfull and doesn't take many shots flush. Toney isn't going to be the saviour of the division, he's too old and carrying too much weight for his frame, but he's a force if he can get back into shape.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 08:20

james, watch the fight, then you will have another point of view. you´re such an expert.

If Sam would beat Clay-Bey he would be ranked top 3 in the WBC so a fight vs Vitali would be possible. but Vitali fears Sam most because he got some beatings when they sparred in the past at Universum....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 08:28

As I said, I've never really rated Bakhtov too highly though, so I don't know how much it's going to change my opinion Bubi. If Sam has got himself in better shape and developed some movement then I will be impressed, the thing that has always counted against him is he is so slow.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 08:41

aha, so you it´s better for you to pretend Sam is fat, wobbly, can´t move, is nothing special without watching his last fights. maybe you have just seen the Williams- and the Gomez-fight........ so you buil your opinion on things that happened in 2003...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 08:53

Well, it would be hard to base my opinion of a fighter on a fight I haven't seen. Are you trying to tell me that since the Gomez fight, Samil Sam has become the second coming of Ali?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 09:04

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Well, it would be hard to base my opinion of a fighter on a fight I haven't seen. Are you trying to tell me that since the Gomez fight, Samil Sam has become the second coming of Ali?

no, the "White George Foreman"

watch some more heavyweight fights, James where no english boxers are involved....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 09:08

Most of the fights I watch don't have English fighters involved, I've always been more interested in international and world scene fights than the domestic scene. So don't play that card with me pal. However, up until recently, due to Sky taking 3 months to come and install their fornicating dish, I didn't have access to international boxing unless I went to a mates to watch it, and most of my mates weren't really too interested in watching European fights.

If Sam has turned into the 'white george foreman' I'll eat my own scrotum.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 09:30

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Most of the fights I watch don't have English fighters involved, I've always been more interested in international and world scene fights than the domestic scene. So don't play that card with me pal. However, up until recently, due to Sky taking 3 months to come and install their fornicating dish, I didn't have access to international boxing unless I went to a mates to watch it, and most of my mates weren't really too interested in watching European fights.

If Sam has turned into the 'white george foreman' I'll eat my own scrotum.

good appetite

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 14 Jan 2005, 09:47

Thats obviously a joke, Sam is not fit to hold Foreman's jockstrap!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 09:54

BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Most of the fights I watch don't have English fighters involved, I've always been more interested in international and world scene fights than the domestic scene. So don't play that card with me pal. However, up until recently, due to Sky taking 3 months to come and install their fornicating dish, I didn't have access to international boxing unless I went to a mates to watch it, and most of my mates weren't really too interested in watching European fights.

If Sam has turned into the 'white george foreman' I'll eat my own scrotum.
good appetite

I'd need one with space hoppers like mine.

I think Bubi means Foreman as he is now, not in his prime.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 11:36

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Most of the fights I watch don't have English fighters involved, I've always been more interested in international and world scene fights than the domestic scene. So don't play that card with me pal. However, up until recently, due to Sky taking 3 months to come and install their fornicating dish, I didn't have access to international boxing unless I went to a mates to watch it, and most of my mates weren't really too interested in watching European fights.

If Sam has turned into the 'white george foreman' I'll eat my own scrotum.
good appetite
I'd need one with space hoppers like mine.

I think Bubi means Foreman as he is now, not in his prime.

no, that´s your British Hero Sir Julius Francis, the moving punching bag

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jan 2005, 11:46

I hardly think Julius Francis is anyone's hero. He's a nice guy, and has paid his dues, but hardly a hero.

If Samil Sam is the white foreman, I'm fornicating Mahatma Ghandi.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Jan 2005, 12:39

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I hardly think Julius Francis is anyone's hero. He's a nice guy, and has paid his dues, but hardly a hero.

If Samil Sam is the white foreman, I'm fornicating Mahatma Ghandi.

I´d prefer Angelina Jolie