Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Enough of this. I've got to get back to the Lawrence Welk Special on PBS. Then I'll watch the fight. :TU:
Where's Bob Satterfield when you need him?

Rog, after falling asleep during the Diaz fight, I attempted to keep my eyes open during the Vitali Klitschko fight that followed.
Three rounds and I was out! Monica wakes me, asks if she can change the channel.
I see the olderst Lurch brother false moving in front of his overmatched opponent.
Vitali's chin was held high, right over a lowered left hand that grows older and heavier by the moment.
A target rich environment for a real heavyweight.
"Yeah baby, change the channel."

You write of Chicago, Rog. What about Bob Satterfield?
Satterfield was just a contender in his day, but can you imagine how he'd drop one on the chin of a Lurch Bro?
I watched him do it to Bob Baker this morning. I played a DVD that Frank sent me last year.
We watched Willie Pep, Ike Williams, Clarence Henry, Tony DeMarco, Satterfield and Napoles.
This is part of how I teach somebody about boxing. I try to give them an idea how a real boxer fights.

I have never seen a better pure boxer than Willie Pep. We are lucky to have footage of him, and everybody else I watched today.
After watching this early in the day, the HBO and K bro events were anti-climatic.


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dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Pops Hanley
Damn, Rog, I can't wait to show him. You did capture him. He looks pensive or pissed off. Probably at me for bitching at him, "Walk, you old bastard! Do you want to end up in a walker or wheelchair?" That's the look I get when I harp on to him about staying fit. Thanks again, dude.

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dagosd2000 wrote:Hey Pops.They don't allow no ball kickin' at the fights :bag: :lol:
The UIC Pavilion is on Harrison and Racine, Rog. Pretty much anything goes at that locale.

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Randyman wrote:Image

Juan “Baby Bull” Diaz and Paul Malignaggi will be fighting tomorrow night. It is a rematch of their August 22 fight of this year. Diaz won a highly disputed (by Malignaggi) 12 UD. After the decision was given Malignaggi went on a tirade against the State of Texas, Boxing and judges and just about anything remotely related to boxing. The fight was close and while it might have gone either way or possibly a draw I don’t think it was a robbery.

The rematch will take place in neutral territory at the UC Pavillion in Chicago. Both men have something to prove; Malignaggi feels he was robbed in the first fight and intends to prove it with a victory over Diaz. Diaz on the other hand feels he truly deserved the victory and intends to prove it with a clear cut victory. It should be an interesting fight.

Also on the undercard will be Victor Ortiz and Antonio Diaz. I don’t expect Ortiz to have enough to hold off Antonio Diaz, who at 33 years of age is 11 years older than Ortiz, and still has some fight left in him.

They are fighting here in Chicago.
This used to be a great fight town. Robinson, Lamotta,Zale, Graziano,Basilio, etc etc.
The Old Chicago Stadium was a great great venue. We had a great history here.
Truth is, that might as well have been a thousand years ago. Nobody cares anymore about boxing here.
Societies walking dead are more interested in reality tv and what Tiger Woods is doing with his nine iron.
A kid gets in an argument with somebody at school and they wanna put him in some anger management class.
Being a candy ass is the in thing these days.
Brian, you're absolutely right, dude. There was absolutely nothing in the Times about this massive fight card. I don't know if the Trib carried anything, but man, what has anyone to do to get some publicity in this town? Of course, they always seem to have ink for UFC or wrestling. Gone are the days where Chicago was the mecca of boxing.

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Rick Farris wrote:Harold Ledderman & Scartissue . . .

Our Dan Hanley is one of the most liked individuals I have met thru boxing. This isn't just my opinion, but that of those who are truly a part of boxing today, such as former ref and HBO commentator, Harold Ledderman.

Thursday evening, as I worked on my TV production, I get a call from Dan. His timing was perfect as I had just finished a big lighting set-up and had a moment to visit.
"Hey dude, you won't believe who just called me." The call had come from Ledderman, who told Dan he'd be working tonight's HBO card in Chicago, and he invited Dan and his Pops to join him at ringside to enjoy the action.

I was impressed, not to mention a little envious, however I'm going to enjoy the fights on TV on this rainy Southern Cal evening.
The problem is I won't be watching the fighters, I'll be looking for Dan and Pops outside the ring.

Have a great time amigo! Be sure to give Pop my love and then give him a swift kick in the balls for me :o


-Ricardo
Ricardo, thanks for the kind words, dude. We got there for the last 5 fights. The 10 fight card started at 3:00 in the afternoon Central time. I thought Victor Ortiz boxed very neatly, but like Randy said about adversity, what's going to happen at the next step up in class? He's going to have that label of quitter around his neck for awhile. The main event was excellent. I had it much closer than the 116-111, and like Randy I am a Diaz man, but I want to see it again on replay and rescore it. Somtimes when fans are jumping in front of you you lose perception on the fight and I want to be sure I saw what I saw. Even the weigh-in was cool. Harold called me on Thursday and said the weigh-in was at the ESPN zone. I said, "Harold, I work across the street, I'll be there." Got talking with Bernard Hopkins. Man, talk about chip on his shoulder/axe to grind. Heard alot of "F**k HBO!" He told me he was going to Australia to fight Danny Green. I said, "Yeah, but you've got to be pissed, the big money was the rematch with Roy Jones not Green." He followed that up with, "F**k Roy Jones!" One of these days you and I have got to get this guy in an interview. God only knows what can of worms we're going to open.

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Carmen Basilio(revised)
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I think that Marco Maidana took all the viciousness out of Vicious.... :roll:
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Rick, Randy Shields fought Cuevas at the Old Ampitheatre here in Chicago.
Its gone now, but THAT was a fun outstanding venue. It permenantley smelled of livestock as it used to host livestock/cattle auctions etc.
Boxing, wrestling,roller derby and concerts were the main events at that place. It was great. Tough neighborhood too. Right near the old union stockyards and on the edge of blue collar Irish "Canaryville". A great area for brawling no doubt.
Every corner tavern was a blue collar heaven for the beer and a shot crowd. In the "City of Broad shoulders",the Ampitheatre had to be the arena of broad shoulders and Canaryville the neighborhood of broad shoulders.You guys would have loved it.
It was the way Chicago used to be.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Carmen Basilio


The Onion Farmer . . .

The date was June 4, 1971. I was nineteen, and had been fighting professionally for exactly one year to the day.
On this warm evening I would have my 13th pro fight, a six-rounder on the undercard of a major world title card at the Forum.
This would be my first fight for legendary promoter George Parnassus, but I'd just be an opening act.

The main event was a big one, fifteen rounds for the world Welterweight championship, a rematch of an upset.
One of the greatest welterweights to ever hold the crown, Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles was once again the challenger.
The great Napoles had lost his crown just a few months previous to a heavy underdog, Billy Backus, in upstate New York.
The most noteable thing about Billy Backus was his trainer, who was also his uncle, former world champ, Carmen Basilio.

Carmen Basilio knew a thing or two about great welterweights, having held the 147 pound title himself.
He also knew about great champions, having stepped up and whipped Sugar Ray Robinson for the middleweight title.
He would bring into his nephew's corner a lot of experience, but unfortunatly he couldn't do the fighting for him.
Like the great Sugar Ray, Jose Napoles was more than just a champion, he was marked for all-time legend status himself.

The weigh-in was held in the ballroom of the Elks Building where Parnassus' office was located.
In those days, weigh-ins were held at 11am on the morning of a match, not the day before like today.
As usual, my friend Karl Nelson drove me to the weigh-in. The Elks building was located across the street from MacArthur Park.
As Karl and I enetered the Elks building, he looked across the lobby and spotted a very unique face.
Karl tapped me on the shoulder. "Look over there, that's Carmen Basilio."
I turned around and sure enough, there was the onion farmer from Canestota, one of the roughest men in boxing history.

Now with Basilio in my sights, I forgot about everything else. I'd grown up reading stories about Carmen Basilio.
This was the man who had beaten the great Sugar Ray, and had ended the ring career of L.A. "Golden Boy", Art Aragon.
The Onion Farmer wasn't the best looking man on the planet, that's for sure, but man could he fight.
Too bad he couldn't have done some of the fighting for his nephew that night.

Billy Backus was no match for the great Napoles, who stopped Billy, regaining his title.
I'd scored a close decision win in the opener that night. Later, after the title fight, I'd introduce myself to Carmen Basilio.
"You had a good fight kid, but you gotta stay off the ropes, or you'll end up looking like me."
I smiled, but he was serious. I was honored just to be talking to him.

When I became involved with the World Boxing Hall of Fame, I was hoping Dan Hanley and I could interview him.
Carmen Basilio would make the trip to California each year to attend the WBHOF banquet.
Dan and I planned to interview both Basilio and Gene Fullmer, who had fought each other back in the day.
Sadly, poor health has kept both Carmen Basilio and Fullmer from attending the last few WBHOF events.

Another great portrait by the "Painter of Champions", Roger Esty.


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kikibalt wrote:I think that Marco Maidana took all the viciousness out of Vicious.... :roll:
Frank, I thought I was watching a shadow boxing exhibition during the first few rounds.
Neither Ortiz or Diaz seemed interested in fighting.
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I think that Marco Maidana took all the viciousness out of Vicious.... :roll:
Frank, I thought I was watching a shadow boxing exhibition during the first few rounds.
Neither Ortiz or Diaz seemed interested in fighting.
Rick...It doesn't say much for Ortiz when he can't take a guy like A.Diaz, who at his best days was nothing more then a club fighter, out by clean ko/tko.
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scartissue wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Pops Hanley
Damn, Rog, I can't wait to show him. You did capture him. He looks pensive or pissed off. Probably at me for bitching at him, "Walk, you old bastard! Do you want to end up in a walker or wheelchair?" That's the look I get when I harp on to him about staying fit. Thanks again, dude.

Scartissue

This year I was able to add Pops name to the WBHOF "Honor Roll".
Now I'm wondering how we can slip this portrait into next year's program?
You guys should know that I'm not joking. :OhYes:
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kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I think that Marco Maidana took all the viciousness out of Vicious.... :roll:
Frank, I thought I was watching a shadow boxing exhibition during the first few rounds.
Neither Ortiz or Diaz seemed interested in fighting.
Rick...It doesn't say much for Ortiz when he can't take a guy like A.Diaz, who at his best days was nothing more then a club fighter, out by clean ko/tko.

Frank . . . I remember thinking how great it would be to see Ortiz matched with either Frankie Jr. or Tony, at any weight and at anytime in the boy's careers. That would put an end to any BS about this guy being a valid prospect. Oh well, I can dream, can't I?
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:I think that Marco Maidana took all the viciousness out of Vicious.... :roll:
Frank, I thought I was watching a shadow boxing exhibition during the first few rounds.
Neither Ortiz or Diaz seemed interested in fighting.
Compared to Klitschko-Johnson either fight looked like a fight of the year. I watched the first two rounds and then I handed the remote to Jeri and said "Here, you can watch what you want". I don't think the heavyweight division has ever had a lower period than the current one. It's painful to watch.

Randy :witzend:
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Happy birthday Frank, and congratulations to you and Connie on your anniversary.
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Expug wrote:Rick, Randy Shields fought Cuevas at the Old Ampitheatre here in Chicago.
Its gone now, but THAT was a fun outstanding venue. It permenantley smelled of livestock as it used to host livestock/cattle auctions etc.
Boxing, wrestling,roller derby and concerts were the main events at that place. It was great. Tough neighborhood too. Right near the old union stockyards and on the edge of blue collar Irish "Canaryville". A great area for brawling no doubt.
Every corner tavern was a blue collar heaven for the beer and a shot crowd. In the "City of Broad shoulders",the Ampitheatre had to be the arena of broad shoulders and Canaryville the neighborhood of broad shoulders.You guys would have loved it.
It was the way Chicago used to be.
Starbucks? fu.k Fugedaboddit!
Thanks Brian. Appreciate the info and the history. We have a new member of the WBHOF board of directors, and that is Ken Green. Ken is an attorney working for the D.A. Office here in L.A. However he is a Chicago guy who grew up there, even wrote a book about his neighborhood. Ken still maintains a condo in Chicago and visits often. Ken is a good guy for boxing and boxing people. He has helped a number of boxing people with their legal issues, such as Freddie Roach. In fact, the day we met, Roger was there. He and Rog shared a few Chicago tales. Ken quizzed me one day, checking my Chicago boxing knowledge. I answered correctly, naming Bob Satterfield to answer the question. I always love to read stories related to Chicago and boxing in Chicago. As you mentioned, it was once a major fight town. So was NY and LA. No mas. :witzend:


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raylawpc wrote:Happy birthday Frank, and congratulations to you and Connie on your anniversary.
Have a good day, Frank. Happy B.D. and congratulations to you & Connie.
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Frank, Happy Anniversary to you and Connie and Happy Birthday to you. Big plans for today?

Randy :TU:
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Rick Farris wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Happy birthday Frank, and congratulations to you and Connie on your anniversary.
Have a good day, Frank. Happy B.D. and congratulations to you & Connie.
Thanks Rick....
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Randyman wrote:Frank, Happy Anniversary to you and Connie and Happy Birthday to you. Big plans for today?

Randy :TU:
No, no big plans, by now it get to be like just another day, Connie can't believe that she has put up with me for 55 years... :wink: , I tell her, you have because you love me... :lol: , she ask me, who told you that fib....as you can see we banter easily..... :TU:
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raylawpc wrote:Happy birthday Frank, and congratulations to you and Connie on your anniversary.
Thank you Tom, where have you been keeping youself?
Btw, how is your dad?, fine I hope.
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kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Happy birthday Frank, and congratulations to you and Connie on your anniversary.
Thank you Tom, where have you been keeping youself?
Btw, how is your dad?, fine I hope.
Hi Frank. My Dad's situation is not good. He is currently in a nursing home receiving hospice care. Linda and I have been spending every weekend with him, which is about 4 hours away by car. Between those trips and trying to practice law, there isn't a whole lot of time to post. (This week, however, I had to teach three-days in Chicago, so I was able to spend some time in the forum when I saw some knuckleheads dissing my fellow Swede - Ingemar Johansson!!)

I don't think I ever told you guys that my Dad was trained back in the 40s by Lou Ambers and Jack Dempsey. :wink: :TU: :bag: :wink: :TU: :bag:
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Ray,sorry to hear about your Dad.My thoughts are with you. Rog. BTW.I thought Ingo had one of the best right hands in the history of the division. :bag:
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