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raylawpc wrote:I think it is a real tragedy that one of the greatest fighters in Japanese history - 3 time junior middleweight champion Koichi Wajima - continues to be ignored. . .

With all due respect to Spider Webb and Bennie Briscoe, neither won a world championship . . . much less three in the very competitive division that was the junior middleweights of the 1970s.
Not Ignored . . .

Tom . . . Wajima isn't being ignored, in fact, he is one who will also likely make the ballot once we have cleared away some of names who haven't gained a vote since nominated. I didn't name all who are being considered as potential nominees, but Wajima is high on the list. One of our selection committee members is Marty Denkin. Marty is tight with the Japanese boxing community and he campaigns for Oriental boxers during our selection process. I know this, no matter who makes the ballot, somebody will feel slighted or ignored. The truth is we only have so much room. The max number of names you'll see on the ballot on any given year is twenty-eight. Four will replace those inducted the previous year, in order to include more, we have to start trimming down unsuccessful candidates from past ballots. This is something that has not been done until now. I fully support the nomination of both Bennie Briscoe and Spider Webb, despite their lack of a title. Not every candidate suggested will make the ballot, however, you should feel secure in the knowledge that I do listen to your input (i.e. George Dixon, etc.) I know that Tyson and Chavez will be voted in. I expect the same true of Jose Legra. As far as Briscoe, Webb, Wajima, etc. is concerned, who knows? I will do my best to see them make the ballot (as I expressed to you last year about Wajima). My position yields me a lot of influence in this regard, however, the voters will have the final word. Wajima may make the ballot, but sadly, he, Briscoe and company will be at the mercy of voters who really should not be making such choices. I believe the entire "Voting" membership of the WBHOF should be scrapped and replaced by truly knowledgeable boxing afficianados.

My gig with the WBHOF will come to an end after the votes have been counted for this year's event. I choose to devote my time to a project that Dan Hanley and I have started that will forever honor the true greats of boxing history. We will film interviews with legends in a studio situation, and this year the banquet will leave California for the first time. Armando Muniz has made arrangments with the Orleans Hotel in Las Vegas for the 2010 banquet. I hope our Boxrec group will be able to join Dan & I in Las Vegas next year for the event. We would like to make "our group" a part of our film production.

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Useless information :confused: , but what the Hell:
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Jimmy "Red" Elby . . .

Elby handed Spider Webb his first loss in Chicago.
Elby was once promoted by Mel Epstein, and in the 1960's-70's owned a popular Ventura Blvd. tavern in Sherman Oaks, Cal.
Mel introduced me to Red after a bout I had in Woodland Hills in 1972.


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kikibalt wrote:Spider Webb

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Good call, Pug! :TU:
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Hey Tom . . .

Did you know that Spider Webb was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma?
You can't dis an Okie. :lol:
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kikibalt wrote:Roger, after you read this article give us your take.

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Sachi Cunningham / Los Angeles Times / October 29, 2009

Bob and Carol Dawson moved to Baja California in 1999, lured by the ease of early retirement, the idyllic views and the low cost of living. But friends and relatives have been reluctant to visit, scared away by reports of drug violence.

One man's war zone is another's paradise

From the insulated safety of Baja's luxurious seaside gated communities, American expatriates say reports of kidnappings and violent drug cartels seem a world away.

By Richard Marosi

December 14, 2009

Reporting from Rosarito Beach, Mexico - Bob and Carol Dawson love living in Baja California, but the region's violent reputation has put them on the defensive. They have been called delusional and reckless -- all because they choose to live in an oceanfront gated community about 30 or 40 miles and a world away from the U.S. border.

Americans living in this part of Mexico are often grilled, half-jokingly, about their sanity. They get asked whether they've seen decapitated heads rolling down the street. Friends wonder whether they wear bulletproof vests or drive around in armored cars.

When the Dawsons moved here in 1999 to retire, they were enticed by the area's charm and peacefulness. They bought an expansive home with ocean views for $175,000. "Live like a millionaire without a million bucks" is the local real estate mantra.

In recent years, the tranquillity has been eclipsed by the mayhem of battles between the Mexican government and organized crime. Military trucks brimming with heavily armed soldiers have rumbled through the manicured grounds of luxury developments; gunmen pepper local police stations with automatic-weapon fire; and Baja California's most notorious crime boss once eluded authorities by running through a beach popular among American retirees.

Since 2008, more than 1,000 Mexicans in the northern Baja California area have died in the drug violence. Rarely does a week go by without news of another person being beheaded or dissolved in acid or chopped up and left in a parked car.

But for most expatriates the violence seems as distant as headlines from Iraq. Along the 70-mile stretch of coastline from Tijuana to Ensenada, 14,000 Americans live in a bubble of relative security, many in gated developments or high-rise condominiums where they run a greater risk of being sideswiped by a golf cart or a wave-tossed surfer than staring down an AK-47-toting drug trafficker.

Not that expatriates are oblivious to the drug war. Bill Kirchhoff, the former city manager of Redondo Beach, said he suspects that some of the boaters speeding by his seaside house at Playa La Mision are drug traffickers. He's not moving back to the States any time soon, though, saying a few precautions can keep people out of harm's way.

"A lot of people simply don't understand the level of danger that exists in this kind of environment," he said. "But if you're aware of it, you can manage it to a great extent."

Bob Dawson, 66, said the dangers are exaggerated, but shares a pioneer attitude. "We're a different kind of breed even to try this," he said.

From the balcony of their home one row back from the ocean, the Dawsons can see dolphins dancing in the waves and pelicans gliding low over the surf break. Carol keeps watch for the first signs of migrating whales; Bob pours his locally famous margarita mix -- dubbed Bobby-Ritas -- for neighbors.

They just don't get many visitors.

Loved ones beg them to move and many won't visit, including their son-in-law, who for much of the last few years has refused to bring their grandsons to visit. "He thinks we live in a dream world," said Carol, 65. "But if I feared danger to my life, I wouldn't be here."

The curving, craggy coastline of northern Baja California, a one-hour drive from San Diego, was once a popular getaway for Southern California residents. They came for the solitude and the surf. They would unwind at gringo bars and spend weekends at funky beachfront hotels.

In recent years, the coastal stretch has taken on an upscale look with condominiums, spacious homes, bed-and-breakfasts, and spas rising on bluffs. In the nearby Guadalupe Valley, hacienda-style inns and wineries sit amid vineyards blanketing the tawny hills.

The area attracts a range of Americans. Young telecommuters and Internet entrepreneurs live alongside artists and urban refugees in hillside villages. Retirees enjoy five-star luxury resorts with vanishing-edge pools, private beaches and shuttle service to the border.

For less than $300,000, people can buy a spacious home on an 18-hole golf course at Baja Mar. Ocean-view houses with balconies and gardens can be had for $400,000.

"Look at this. I can't live in La Jolla like this," Richard Cargill, 66, said as he took in the ocean views from his deck at the Palacio Del Mar resort. The retired mortgage banker paid $490,000 for the 2,300-square-foot condominium one year ago. "I call this the smart man's San Diego."

For the Dawsons, the appeal was an early retirement. Bob, who used to own a paper packaging company, and Carol, a former flight attendant, cut their expenses 30% when they moved down from Santa Ana. They live in the Las Gaviotas development about six miles south of Rosarito Beach, where 298 homes sit behind high walls and visitors must pass through a gate manned 24 hours a day by security guards. There's a clubhouse, a pool, tennis courts and a promenade lined with mini-mansions that overlook the palapa-dotted beach.

After the Dawsons bought their home as a weekend getaway in 1996 they passed out keys to relatives, and their two daughters brought friends down on weekends. "This was a party house," Bob Dawson said.

In those days the beach and pool at Las Gaviotas teemed with families and children on weekends. "It was filled with laughter and noise," Carol Dawson said. "It was fun."

Five years ago, anticipating more visitors, the Dawsons expanded their house, adding two bedrooms, a bathroom and an elevator. They started a property management business catering to Americans who owned second homes in the area.

Then the troubles started.

The Mexican government's crackdown against organized crime struck Baja California in 2007. A few Americans fell victim to the upheaval late that year, when heavily armed men dressed as police pulled over a San Diego-area family on the coastal road. They pointed guns at their heads, pocketed cash and jewelry, and stole their truck and trailer.

That attack, along with the robbery of a surfer and the rape of his girlfriend on an isolated beach, was repeated in media accounts of Baja California violence. Though the situation has calmed considerably, some media outlets continue mentioning the incidents, angering residents and Mexican officials.

To the Dawsons, the recycled reports give the distorted impression that Americans are constantly under siege. Media coverage of "a shootout in the States lasts one day," Bob said. "We have a shootout here, and it lasts for years."

The negative publicity has taken its toll. At Las Gaviotas, dozens of houses sit empty, many with "For Sale" signs. Of the 11 homes managed by the Dawsons, not one was rented in September and only a few have been leased since.

Passing through the development's tall gates for a quick trip down the road to Rosarito Beach, the Dawsons encounter a somewhat shabby landscape of roadside coconut stands and shanties. They drive by construction-supply and appliance stores, restaurants and other businesses where owners have downsized or closed down because the expected influx of baby boomers never materialized.

The Dawsons point to the fancy Las Rocas resort, where their nephew's wedding was nearly spoiled in April when the maid of honor considered canceling because she was worried about crime. Security concerns have contributed to a shutdown of filmmaking at nearby Baja Studios; entertainment-industry workers on movies such as "Titanic" and "Master and Commander" once injected millions of dollars into the local economy.

Outside the studio gates, where a replica of a tall ship is docked, the Mexican military runs a northbound checkpoint. Masked marines with assault weapons question drivers. In the distance, another marine mans a .50-caliber machine gun.

A marine quickly waves the Dawsons through. "It makes me feel safe," Bob said as he passed the military's sign: "Welcome to Baja California. This is a routine military checkpoint."

Kirchhoff, the retired Redondo Beach city manager, feels uneasy whenever he comes to a checkpoint. "They're there for a reason and it's not a good one," he said.

Earlier this year, Baja California crime boss Teodoro Garcia Simental was believed to be at a party at an oceanfront resort a few miles from Kirchhoff's property, but he escaped onto the beach, according to officials and media reports.

Kirchhoff said federal police and soldiers scoured the area in helicopters, boats and trucks, and walked up the sand to search neighboring properties. "They were chasing some of the most heinous criminals in Baja. That ought to give anybody cause for concern," said Kirchhoff, 67.

But it's not enough to get him to leave his sprawling home perched over the beach and his four-acre ranch near- by. Kirchhoff and other expatriates who have been touched by crime -- usually home break-ins or petty theft -- have adapted to the risks. They drive junky cars, avoid late-night trips and stay away from crime hot spots like eastern Tijuana.

The Dawsons also have their own rules. They never carry large amounts of cash, and they keep a stash hidden in the car just in case they're robbed. The couple says they use the kind of common-sense rules that people follow in any community affected by serious crime, like Los Angeles or their former hometown. Carol says she feels safer in Las Gaviotas, where she leaves her front door unlocked.

"I heard gunfire in Santa Ana. I've never heard gunfire here," she said.

It's a point she's made countless times to her son-in-law, without success. "He was very hard-nosed about coming down here," she said. "He thought people were putting their children in danger."

A few weeks ago, Carol was returning from an errand when she was greeted at the front door by squeals of excitement. "Surprise, Grammy," yelled her two grandsons. Her son-in-law, seeing that crime has declined significantly from two years ago, made the trip from Laguna Niguel with his family.

It was like old times. The boys batted a Wiffle ball on the putting green, took walks on the beach with their three golden retrievers and played in the pool. Carol's daughter and son-in-law got side-by-side massages at a spa, played golf at Baja Mar, and the family dined at the La Fonda restaurant down the coast.

Carol Dawson and other expatriates see signs that things may be turning around. Some hotels are selling out on weekends and there are more surfers trickling down south of the border. Then there's her son-in-law's change of heart.

"I think he finally realized," she said, "that it can't be all that bad."

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Bob and Carol sound like real nice people(I guess),but they can have that kind of life.American colonies are growing in popularity in Mexico. There's a big one north of Cabo San Lucas called Todos Santos. It's an artsy community.All the art hung around town is American art. More Mexicans lived outside their perimeter,but I've never seen a Mexican painting hanging anywhere except in the barrio. The Hotel California is in Todos Santos.I gues that's where they got that song "Hotel California." An Australian couple owns it.Ther'e wind surfing and wave surfing and bars loaded with Americans.



There's another big American colony near where we are in Jiquilpan at Lago Chapala.It's the same scenario.Gated communities. Golf courses.All the amenities.And plenty of gringos. All inside their gate. Everything outside their community is no mans land. I often wonder why they want to live in Mexico when they lived like that in the U.S.

They make it sound that once you step outside the gate you're going to get kidnapped and raped. The knuckleheads that are getting bumped off down there are the drug dealers and the crooked cops that are competing to work for the Mexican Mafia. Throw in the D.A's and the honest cops that want to correct the situation and their heads will probably wash ashore with incoming tide on those gated beaches.

The Americans who relocate to Mexico are mostly rich dudes.They don't speak Spanish. Their hired help must speak English though. They had Mexican maids in Newport Beach and now they have Mexican maids in Rosarito Beach.Bob and Carol look like a couple of patronizing snobs. They love Mexico as long as they can get a condo for 400 hundred grand. A big swimming pool. The golf course.The Mexicams to wait on them hand and foot. Of course they don't want to live with Mexicans.They want to co habitate with their own kind. A bunch of aristcratic a-- holes. Every American colony I've been to is like going to some posh beach community on the West Coast.They talk about their stocks and eat prime rib and sip champagne cocktails.Then it's off to play four handed bridge. The Mexicans pick up after them and listen to them complain that the guy who can fix their satellite TV can't come over until next Tuesaday.

They're a bunch of smug pricks and I stay away from them. I think they screw up Mexico as much as the drug traffickers.If they had to live outside those gates they'd leave.

Maria and me built our home for 50 thousand. We live in a little town that still is unspoiled. It hasn't changed in appearance in 40 years. There's no shopping centers or even a strip mall. No franchise places. I've never seen an American.I've got plenty of family there that treats me swell. Those gringos don't have family where they are,just neighbors like themselves. There's no kids running around. No mariachis singing at a party. No chiles.No birria. No carnitas. No mezcal. No Vicente Fernandez. They don't want to know Mexican culture. They think they live in a Shangri La. They live in a phony bubble that's as sanitized as their souls. As far as I'm concerned they're dead already.

I sometimes think of the old days that I never understood because I was either too young or wasn't born yet. I joke about yearning for a time machine. Don't let me kid you. I found my time machine 40 years ago. It's called Jiquilpan.
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Chuck1052 wrote:If Spider Webb isn't in the California Boxing Hall of Fame, he deserves to be. Besides being a top middleweight in the pro ranks, he may have been one of the best college boxers ever. I think that he was on the Compton Junior College boxing team and then was on a boxing team at a four-year college in Idaho.

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He was also on the US Olympic team in 1952, losing to Laszlo Papp.

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scartissue wrote:
Chuck1052 wrote:If Spider Webb isn't in the California Boxing Hall of Fame, he deserves to be. Besides being a top middleweight in the pro ranks, he may have been one of the best college boxers ever. I think that he was on the Compton Junior College boxing team and then was on a boxing team at a four-year college in Idaho.

- Chuck Johnston
He was also on the US Olympic team in 1952, losing to Laszlo Papp.

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Same team as Floyd Patterson and Davey Moore.
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Miguel Espino is one boxer a mother could love

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Miguel Espino, who will fight for Kelly Pavlik’s middleweight titles Saturday, lives with his legally blind mother, Ana Garcia. (Don Bartletti / Los Angeles Times)

The 29-year-old from North Hollywood is a good story not just because he is fighting for Kelly Pavlik's middleweight titles, but because he is literally fighting for his family, especially his legally

By Bill Dwyre

December 15, 2009

Nobody would fault middleweight boxing champion Kelly Pavlik for being a bit overconfident going into his match Saturday night. He might think, after all, that he is fighting a mama's boy.

At least that could be one perception of his opponent, Miguel (Mike) Espino, the boxer from North Hollywood, who has been given the chance of a lifetime.

The fight, an HBO pay-per-view event, will be in Youngstown, Ohio, Pavlik's home. The winner will carry off title belts for both the WBC and WBO, belts currently owned by Pavlik.

"If I win, I'll sleep with the belts," Espino says.

He knows his chances of that are slim. He knows he is an "opponent," boxing-speak for somebody who has been set up to lose, who is there for a nice paycheck and for the enhancement of the record and public appeal of the bigger-name fighter in the other corner. Espino, 29, knows that nothing is impossible, but that beating the skilled and popular Pavlik in his hometown is about as close as it gets.

"I know what they did," Espino says, pointing out that Pavlik needed an opponent quickly when an injury postponed his scheduled fight with Paul Williams and Williams decided to fight elsewhere. "They looked at the top 10 (Espino is No. 3 in the WBC rankings). Then they looked at my knockout rate, said I'm not a big puncher, and gave me a call."

Espino is 20-2-1, with nine knockouts. If he is merely an "opponent," then he can at least enter the ring knowing he hasn't lost in four years and 11 fights. He got the call, once Pavlik's hand injury had healed, because Williams had opted out and Pavlik needed a fight to keep his belts.

"I was in Mexico, working in the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. camp for his fight on the [Miguel] Cotto-[Manny] Pacquiao undercard," Espino says. "I was just sitting down to eat. Plate of tacos and a Coke. The phone rings. It's [Top Rank promoter] Bob Arum. He asks if I want to fight Pavlik on Dec. 19. I say, of course."

So, Espino signed on for his 15 minutes of fame, and the $100,000 purse he will be paid as the "opponent."

But this time, boxing got a little more than a one-shot-and-see-ya fighter. This time, boxing fans got a new story, and a heartwarming one.

Espino lives with his mother, Ana Garcia, in a less-than-swank apartment complex in North Hollywood. He moved back in four years ago, after she split with her husband in a divorce. Espino did so, partly, because Ana is legally blind. Also partly as a show of support, both emotionally and financially. He had been out on his own and had some money earned from fights and an appearance as part of the TV boxing show "The Contender."

Espino is young, single, obviously athletic and now just one great punch away from the kind of wealth and fame he could never imagine. He has had many girlfriends, including Marlene Nandrino, who will be in Youngstown with him.

"I tell them all," Espino says, "with me, comes my mother. They need to know that up front."

Ana Garcia is 49. Her first signs of retinitis pigmentosa, a genetic disease of progressive vision loss that often includes tunnel vision, occurred at age 15. She has an older brother and a younger sister who also have the disease.

She walks with a cane, but appears to get around better than somebody with a limo. When rides are not available, she uses the train or the bus. She goes to L.A. City College three days a week, working toward a degree as a counselor in human services. She goes to the Braille Institute, where she has books read to her for her studies and tapes them. She goes twice a week to an occupational center in East L.A., and she volunteers at various area churches on Sundays, where she cooks for the parishioners.

"She's out of the house more than I am," Espino says, proudly.

Espino's younger sister, Kathy, also came home to support her mother during the divorce process. Kathy was attending Carleton College in Northfield, Minn., a prestigious, private liberal arts school about as easy to get into as Harvard. Kathy now shares the other bedroom in the tiny apartment with her mother. She lost a year of school credits from Carleton when Cal State Northridge wouldn't transfer them, and she continues at CSUN, working toward an eventual goal of a doctorate in psychology.

Ana says she is proud of her children and doesn't mind that her son is in such a dangerous sport. "I like it that he is happy," she says.

She also should like it that he is so well-grounded and sensible.

"I am hoping this fight leads to some more, and I can increase our income," Espino says. "We come from modest circumstances. All I really want is a little house or a cool little condo, maybe a nice Camry. Then get out of this career with my speech OK and my brain intact."

Espino's mother has seen him fight only once, back in his days as a top amateur. She will not travel to Youngstown and won't have the fight on TV. She wouldn't be able to tell her son from Pavlik. Or, for that matter, from the referee.

When it is over, no matter the outcome, and when he is back in the locker room with longtime friend and trainer John Bray, Espino will make a phone call. He will let his mother know he is all right. They may not even talk about whether or not he won.

"It'll be about two minutes," he says. "That's all she needs."

With a son like Espino, it is, indeed.

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dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
Bob and Carol sound like real nice people(I guess),but they can have that kind of life.American colonies are growing in popularity in Mexico. There's a big one north of Cabo San Lucas called Todos Santos. It's an artsy community.All the art hung around town is American art. More Mexicans lived outside their perimeter,but I've never seen a Mexican painting hanging anywhere except in the barrio. The Hotel California is in Todos Santos.I gues that's where they got that song "Hotel California." An Australian couple owns it.Ther'e wind surfing and wave surfing and bars loaded with Americans.



There's another big American colony near where we are in Jiquilpan at Lago Chapala.It's the same scenario.Gated communities. Golf courses.All the amenities.And plenty of gringos. All inside their gate. Everything outside their community is no mans land. I often wonder why they want to live in Mexico when they lived like that in the U.S.

They make it sound that once you step outside the gate you're going to get kidnapped and raped. The knuckleheads that are getting bumped off down there are the drug dealers and the crooked cops that are competing to work for the Mexican Mafia. Throw in the D.A's and the honest cops that want to correct the situation and their heads will probably wash ashore with incoming tide on those gated beaches.

The Americans who relocate to Mexico are mostly rich dudes.They don't speak Spanish. Their hired help must speak English though. They had Mexican maids in Newport Beach and now they have Mexican maids in Rosarito Beach.Bob and Carol look like a couple of patronizing snobs. They love Mexico as long as they can get a condo for 400 hundred grand. A big swimming pool. The golf course.The Mexicams to wait on them hand and foot. Of course they don't want to live with Mexicans.They want to co habitate with their own kind. A bunch of aristcratic a-- holes. Every American colony I've been to is like going to some posh beach community on the West Coast.They talk about their stocks and eat prime rib and sip champagne cocktails.Then it's off to play four handed bridge. The Mexicans pick up after them and listen to them complain that the guy who can fix their satellite TV can't come over until next Tuesaday.

They're a bunch of smug pricks and I stay away from them. I think they screw up Mexico as much as the drug traffickers.If they had to live outside those gates they'd leave.

Maria and me built our home for 50 thousand. We live in a little town that still is unspoiled. It hasn't changed in appearance in 40 years. There's no shopping centers or even a strip mall. No franchise places. I've never seen an American.I've got plenty of family there that treats me swell. Those gringos don't have family where they are,just neighbors like themselves. There's no kids running around. No mariachis singing at a party. No chiles.No birria. No carnitas. No mezcal. No Vicente Fernandez. They don't want to know Mexican culture. They think they live in a Shangri La. They live in a phony bubble that's as sanitized as their souls. As far as I'm concerned they're dead already.

I sometimes think of the old days that I never understood because I was either too young or wasn't born yet. I joke about yearning for a time machine. Don't let me kid you. I found my time machine 40 years ago. It's called Jiquilpan.
Its that bad?
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Frank
What it comes down to is that me and Maria can't stand to be away from family. The people that live in those gated communities lived in glorified rest homes. Could you imagine being far away from your sons and daughter and the grandkids? I don't want to start a new life with people I don't know.

You once said that you're used to living in the barrio. You don't have a yearning to go any where too far.Living in one of those communities would be living on the moon. At least for me. :witzend:
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dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
What it comes down to is that me and Maria can't stand to be away from family. The people that live in those gated communities lived in glorified rest homes. Could you imagine being far away from your sons and daughter and the grandkids? I don't want to start a new life with people I don't know.

You once said that you're used to living in the barrio. You don't have a yearning to go any where too far.Living in one of those communities would be living on the moon. At least for me. :witzend:
Roger....I'm a man of the barrio, born and rise in the barrio, (Simon Brickyard). The barrios have aways been my digs, I feel at home in what ever barrio I visit, especially E.L.A.... :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
What it comes down to is that me and Maria can't stand to be away from family. The people that live in those gated communities lived in glorified rest homes. Could you imagine being far away from your sons and daughter and the grandkids? I don't want to start a new life with people I don't know.

You once said that you're used to living in the barrio. You don't have a yearning to go any where too far.Living in one of those communities would be living on the moon. At least for me. :witzend:
Roger....I'm a man of the barrio, born and rise in the barrio, (Simon Brickyard). The barrios have aways been my digs, I feel at home in what ever barrio I visit, especially E.L.A.... :TU:
Sometimes I go to South East San Diego or National City(San Diego's barrios) to cruise around. I get a reality check and feel more natural. Tj does the same for me. Jiquilpan is just about perfect.

When my family left the Italian neighborhood in Chicago,I didn't realize how it would affect me. I didn't fit in socially with the Anglo kids. Being a jock made me popular,but I never felt comfortable. I'd hang around the Portugese kids. There was a small community of fishermen near were I lived.Our customs and habits were the same. Strong family ties. The lifestyle was similar.

I remember in the Godfather when Michael asked his mother about family. She said family is all you have. Then he went out and had Fredo killed. :lol:
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Rick Farris wrote:Hey Tom . . .

Did you know that Spider Webb was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma?
You can't dis an Okie. :lol:
Yes, I knew that. I'm not dissing him; I just think that Wajima deserves to be in the Hall of fame before him.

I do think he deserves to be in any Halls of Fame (boxing or sports generally) honoring Illinois athletes.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
What it comes down to is that me and Maria can't stand to be away from family. The people that live in those gated communities lived in glorified rest homes. Could you imagine being far away from your sons and daughter and the grandkids? I don't want to start a new life with people I don't know.

You once said that you're used to living in the barrio. You don't have a yearning to go any where too far.Living in one of those communities would be living on the moon. At least for me. :witzend:
Roger....I'm a man of the barrio, born and rise in the barrio, (Simon Brickyard). The barrios have aways been my digs, I feel at home in what ever barrio I visit, especially E.L.A.... :TU:
Sometimes I go to South East San Diego or National City(San Diego's barrios) to cruise around. I get a reality check and feel more natural. Tj does the same for me. Jiquilpan is just about perfect.

When my family left the Italian neighborhood in Chicago,I didn't realize how it would affect me. I didn't fit in socially with the Anglo kids. Being a jock made me popular,but I never felt comfortable. I'd hang around the Portugese kids. There was a small community of fishermen near were I lived.Our customs and habits were the same. Strong family ties. The lifestyle was similar.

I remember in the Godfather when Michael asked his mother about family. She said family is all you have. Then he went out and had Fredo killed. :lol:
I'll be taking a ride to the barrio today, (E.L.A) for the Golden State Boxers' Association Xmas luncheon (Steven Steakhouse) Steven's is in Commerce which is next door to E.L.A.... :TU:
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Rick Farris wrote:
scartissue wrote:
Chuck1052 wrote:If Spider Webb isn't in the California Boxing Hall of Fame, he deserves to be. Besides being a top middleweight in the pro ranks, he may have been one of the best college boxers ever. I think that he was on the Compton Junior College boxing team and then was on a boxing team at a four-year college in Idaho.

- Chuck Johnston
He was also on the US Olympic team in 1952, losing to Laszlo Papp.

Scartissue
Same team as Floyd Patterson and Davey Moore.
What is his connection with California boxing? I think he only fought out there two or three times, didn't he?
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Tom, I have read that Spider Webb was on the boxing team at Compton Junior College in Compton, California. If this is true, it means that an important part of Webb's amateur boxing career took place in the Los Angeles area. Moreover, I can't think of another boxer from the junior college ranks with such a sterling resume.

- Chuck Johnston
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Chuck1052 wrote:Tom, I have read that Spider Webb was on the boxing team at Compton Junior College in Compton, California. If this is true, it means that an important part of Webb's amateur boxing career took place in the Los Angeles area. Moreover, I can't think of another boxer from the junior college ranks with such a sterling resume.

- Chuck Johnston
Thanks, Chuck. I was not aware that Webb had any connection with California other than fighting there two or three times.

However, if that is the criteria, I would suggest that the CBHOF consider my friend Sean O'Grady for induction. Sean lived in Southern California as a child, and had four fights in Southern California - not to mention the dozens of California fights in which Sean was a broadcaster.
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Chuck1052 wrote:Tom, I have read that Spider Webb was on the boxing team at Compton Junior College in Compton, California. If this is true, it means that an important part of Webb's amateur boxing career took place in the Los Angeles area. Moreover, I can't think of another boxer from the junior college ranks with such a sterling resume.

- Chuck Johnston
Thanks, Chuck. I was not aware that Webb had any connection with California other than fighting there two or three times.

However, if that is the criteria, I would suggest that the CBHOF consider my friend Sean O'Grady for induction. Sean lived in Southern California as a child, and had four fights in Southern California - not to mention the dozens of California fights in which Sean was a broadcaster.
Sean O'Grady? something to think about, never gave him a thought Tom, I'll see what I can do.

The criteria for a boxer to get inducted into the CBHOF is that the boxer had to have fought at least once in the state...
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Frank
Did you say that Junior Robles is not in the CBHOF? If not,he should be. :TU:
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Chuck1052 wrote:Tom, I have read that Spider Webb was on the boxing team at Compton Junior College in Compton, California. If this is true, it means that an important part of Webb's amateur boxing career took place in the Los Angeles area. Moreover, I can't think of another boxer from the junior college ranks with such a sterling resume.

- Chuck Johnston
Thanks, Chuck. I was not aware that Webb had any connection with California other than fighting there two or three times.

However, if that is the criteria, I would suggest that the CBHOF consider my friend Sean O'Grady for induction. Sean lived in Southern California as a child, and had four fights in Southern California - not to mention the dozens of California fights in which Sean was a broadcaster.
Sean O'Grady? something to think about, never gave him a thought Tom, I'll see what I can do.

The criteria for a boxer to get inducted into the CBHOF is that the boxer had to have fought at least once in the state...
Sean certainly had qualifications equal to those of Spider Webb. He formerly lived in California and had more fights than Webb in LA. Also, he fought a number of guys from California. And, I'm sure he broadcast dozens of fights from California.
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Bobby Chacon at the GSBA Xmas luncheon
12-15-2009
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kikibalt wrote:Image

Bobby Chacon at the GSBA Xmas luncheon
12-15-2009
Thanks for posting the photo of Bobby. Do you have any with Rosie in them? :TU: :wink: :TU: :wink:
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I do, now all I have to do is find'em.... :lol:
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Tom...here is Bobby Chacon with Rosie and Danny "Li'l Red" Lopez.
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You once said that you're used to living in the barrio. You don't have a yearning to go any where too far.Living in one of those communities would be living on the moon. At least for me. :witzend:[/quote]
Roger....I'm a man of the barrio, born and rise in the barrio, (Simon Brickyard). The barrios have aways been my digs, I feel at home in what ever barrio I visit, especially E.L.A.... :TU:[/quote][/quote]


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I'll be taking a ride to the barrio today, (E.L.A) for the Golden State Boxers' Association Xmas luncheon (Steven Steakhouse) Steven's is in Commerce which is next door to E.L.A.... :TU:
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I talked to Don Fraser about an hour ago. He told me it was a good turnout in a small room.
He said it was a nice event. How was it Frank? Sorry I couldn't attend.


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