Henry Cooper Interview

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 27 Dec 2009, 01:29

Henry Cooper Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RNuLL5i ... re=related

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 27 Dec 2009, 12:23

So to recap...

1. that was one nasty cut Clay Imposed on Henry....And then Ali did the same thing later. Good calls by the refs both times, Saved Henry more bloodletting. The knockdown was historic but not so serious wouldn't you agree granberry?

2. Henry really believes it was 2 minutes? Or did he say two days? Either way I think he actually knows better and so do you granberry.

3. Ali and Cooper both have great expressed regard for Robinson

4. They also both surely thought Sonny was ugly.

I love how the English Media and Cooper himself described Cooper as "undefeated" when he faced Bugner. I know why they did it, but it does seem a bit overly patronizing to "catagorize" his losses in a way that are not brought to discussion when they are sitting and knitting by the fireside. But he suffered losses to all of these folks before his fight with Bugner.

Uber Bacilieri
Joe Erskine X2
Peter Bates
Joe Bygraves
Ingemar Johansson
Erich Schoppner
Zora Folley
Muhammad Ali X2
Roger Rischer
Amos Johnson
Floyd Patterson

Yes I know it's “undefeated within a certain context” but that context is not mentioned within the interview. (from the other thread posted below for context) I’ll post if you like. He just gets a lot of respect don't he? And you know what? I like the old persimmon. I agree he's one of the greats especially in that "never say die" attitude of his. But losses? Yes he suffered a few, and it never dented his mental toughness. And damned if he didn't almost pull it off against Bugner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jd9Xj2tzVI

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 27 Dec 2009, 14:20

The mention of Henry Cooper stirs up a frantic reaction in Ali shills , as buz demonstrates above.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 27 Dec 2009, 14:50

granberry, I look at this contribution of yours with some lament. IF I were the shill you espouse, I would be happy to make a great issue over the "undefeated" status of Henry....as it would make the fella you don't like look even better I suppose.

So reflect upon your own absurdity and strive for excellence in future contributions. More like that 66% accuracy factor that you achieved in the Tommy Burns/Jack Johnson thread. That was some of the finest examples of critical thinking you have championed here in some time! I'm looking forward to your 2010 edition if that becomes the benchmark you set for yourself!

By the way I thought the topic was Henry Cooper, not "the guy you don't like". Sorry for my own error in judgment in this case.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 27 Dec 2009, 14:53

Mention of Henry Cooper brings out an absolutely FRANTIC reaction from pandering Ali shills like buz.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 27 Dec 2009, 14:56

Do you actually read what you respond to? Better yet do you reflect on what you write? I like Henry....He's kept his wits about him rather well, along with his imagination.

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 27 Dec 2009, 15:14

Nice interview. Its a shame Henry still thinks it was a 2 minute break between rounds, the BBC have timed the break and it was only 5 seconds longer. However if he landed that punch 60 seconds earlier who knows what the outcome would have been......

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 27 Dec 2009, 15:36

Controversial wrote:Nice interview. Its a shame Henry still thinks it was a 2 minute break between rounds, the BBC have timed the break and it was only 5 seconds longer. However if he landed that punch 60 seconds earlier who knows what the outcome would have been......

Now these words are laced with both reason and sensibility. Henry was obviously traveling that day without Lady Luck at his side. A fickle girl who seemed to spend a lot of time with the future champion.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 27 Dec 2009, 16:22

Res ipsa loquitur

With Wembley Stadium filled to the rafter with fans cheering for Cooper the stage was set. Clay entered the ring with a red robe and crown, and he began regally, For the first three rounds he destroyed Cooper who was fit and game , but simply outclassed. Clay began clowning around, every time Cooper was on the verge of falling he would step back and start dancing. Bill Faversham shouted at Angelo Dundee to stop him, but to no avail.

http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/biocooper1.htm

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mult ... 60529c.jpg

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 27 Dec 2009, 17:27

A mention of Henry Cooper brings out the Ali shills in full force.

Henry Cooper was not Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis

but a single left hook from Henry Cooper dropped Ali.

In his very next fight Ali was able to "beat" Sonny Liston?

No thank you.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 27 Dec 2009, 17:28

granberry wrote:A mention of Henry Cooper brings out the Ali shills in full force.

Henry Cooper was not Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis

but a single left hook from Henry Cooper dropped Ali.

In his very next fight Ali was able to "beat" Sonny Liston?

No thank you.

Res ipsa loquitur:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mult ... 60529c.jpg

raylawpc · Post by **raylawpc** » 27 Dec 2009, 17:53

Ingemar Johansson schooled Cooper for four rounds and then dropped him for a 10 count in the 5th.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 27 Dec 2009, 19:23

Cooper never knocked down Floyd Patterson, Johansson, Zora Folley,

And each of them knocked Cooper out for a ten count.

Meanwhile our hero Ali never scored a knockdown against Cooper in two fights.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 Dec 2009, 19:47

Henry Cooper always looked like he needed a good feeding.
Why didnt they ever try and bulk him up even on a diet of steaks?

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 Dec 2009, 20:14

granberry wrote:The mention of Henry Cooper stirs up a frantic reaction in Ali shills , as buz demonstrates above.

Btw How many different photographs are know to exist of Clay going down from "Enry's ammer"?
I saw another photo taken from a different side of the ring I had never seen before in a boxing magazine from 1964.
Wasnt as good as a photo as this,but interesting angle,as Clay was on the canvas and more strechted out.
There must be a number of photos of the feat just gathering dust last 45 years.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 Dec 2009, 20:31

This is the only other photo I could find on-line but is not the photograph I was speaking of.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=11157&more=1

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 27 Dec 2009, 20:45

Clay/Ali was playing with Cooper and almost paid the price. It reminds me of this knockdown at the 10 second or so mark by another fighter granberry must hate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAdniPgu6o

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 27 Dec 2009, 20:57

granner....Henry don't look like he almost KO'd Ali in this pic, in fact he looks a little beaten and battered, but looks aren't everything I suppose.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 27 Dec 2009, 21:06

BoxBuzz wrote:

granner....Henry don't look like he almost KO'd Ali in this pic, in fact he looks a little beaten and battered, but looks aren't everything I suppose.

The irony is that Ali was carrying him and got caught. That is the account of every impartial observer.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 27 Dec 2009, 22:26

The irony is that Ali couldn't defend himself against a left hook.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 Dec 2009, 22:32

vid-caps from the known filmed fight footage dont count as photographs

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 27 Dec 2009, 22:38

I was looking at the photo I mentioned earlier.
Havent seen it in years.
Funny it isnt how I rememered it.
Similar to the other photo.
It was taken from the left side of the ring apron close up.
Cooper's back to the camera.
Clay's right arm is drapped on the rope and his bum is about 2 inches from the canvas.

Brutu · Post by **Brutu** » 28 Dec 2009, 04:27

Here are some rounds from the first Zora Folley /Henry Cooper fight in 1958.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIGXJNxahxY

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 28 Dec 2009, 06:03

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mult ... 60529c.jpg

If that's the look of a winner I'm Brad Pitt.

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 28 Dec 2009, 06:29

As if from the smell of blood, the ring became chaotic. Photographers and television interviewers swarmed through the ropes. From back on the grass and up in the stands came a dozen or more drunken young toughs. While the bobbies stood with their arms folded, the toughs clambered over the press rows and a few climbed onto the ring apron. One ginger-haired fellow was shouting, "Black person," and "Dirty Yanks" and "Kill the person.

His friends echoed him, but the ginger-haired fellow showed a serious lack of intelligence by doing his shouting near Cleveland Brown Fullback Jim Brown, who is in London for an acting role in a movie called The Dirty Dozen, and Brown's white friend and fellow actor, Bob Phillips, a former professional football player. Phillips promptly knocked down the ginger-hair, saving Brown the trouble and possibly preventing a full riot, as by then more white toughs had converged and Negroes were climbing over the seats to get to the scene. There were a few more scattered blows in the general milling and more shouts of, "Kill the person," and "Dirty Yanks," and someone tried to rap Clay on the head with a cane as he left the ring, but the bobbies woke up somewhat and got the champion out safely.

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