George Foreman Circa 1973 V Joe Louis Circa 1941

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 21 Dec 2009, 09:41

Who wins and why?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 21 Dec 2009, 09:44

Another near-swing battle. IMO, Louis wins. Why? Similar power, & absolutely drastic advantages in handspeed &, more significantly, accuracy. Louis makes Foreman pay for his wilder swings dearly.

Of course, the chances Foreman steamrolls a smart, patient (but not elusive) fighter like Louis early remain considerable. Just a feeling precision wins the day --- Louis was a terribly dangerous puncher, & has the arsenal & delivery system to put Foreman away. Louis by stoppage in about four of the fastest & most furious rounds you'll ever see. Foreman narrowly beats the ref's count, having arisen for the second time in the fight (with Louis also down once), dazed & unable to hold up his gloves. Waved off...sensational.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 21 Dec 2009, 10:38

I think George gets him out of there early, but i would never rule Louis out against a fighter so open to his pinpoint combos.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 21 Dec 2009, 12:01

Foreman by KO

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 26 Dec 2009, 21:44

ThatOne wrote:Who wins and why?

Who would you be backing, anyway?

TigerMoth · Post by **TigerMoth** » 26 Dec 2009, 22:28

[quote="Goodnight, Irene"]Another near-swing battle. IMO, Louis wins. Why? Similar power, & absolutely [i]drastic[/i] advantages in handspeed &, more significantly, accuracy. Louis makes Foreman pay for his wilder swings dearly.

Of course, the chances Foreman steamrolls a smart, patient (but not elusive) fighter like Louis early remain considerable. Just a feeling precision wins the day --- Louis was a terribly dangerous puncher, & has the arsenal & delivery system to put Foreman away. Louis by stoppage in about four of the fastest & most furious rounds you'll ever see. Foreman narrowly beats the ref's count, having arisen for the second time in the fight (with Louis also down once), dazed & unable to hold up his gloves. Waved off...sensational.[/quote]

Due to the size differential, it's possible that George might overwhelm Joe. But, I tend to think that Joe would get inside George's very wide punches and would have the precision and punching power to KO George.

Needless to say, since they each has so much power, on any given night it could to either way.

Joe by KO.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 27 Dec 2009, 00:33

Louis by TKO.

I'd be fairly confident in this fight. Louis would step inside his long swings and destroy Foreman with FAST quick combos.

dajuggernaut · Post by **dajuggernaut** » 27 Dec 2009, 00:38

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Another near-swing battle. IMO, Louis wins. Why? Similar power, & absolutely drastic advantages in handspeed &, more significantly, accuracy. Louis makes Foreman pay for his wilder swings dearly.

Of course, the chances Foreman steamrolls a smart, patient (but not elusive) fighter like Louis early remain considerable. Just a feeling precision wins the day --- Louis was a terribly dangerous puncher, & has the arsenal & delivery system to put Foreman away. Louis by stoppage in about four of the fastest & most furious rounds you'll ever see. Foreman narrowly beats the ref's count, having arisen for the second time in the fight (with Louis also down once), dazed & unable to hold up his gloves. Waved off...sensational.

Name all the fighters that you see beating a prime Foreman. I see you are a big Foreman fan and would like to see what to think. By no means am I saying you are a fan boy or biased, actually it's the opposite I see you have a vast knowledge of the sport and want your opinion.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 27 Dec 2009, 00:57

dempseyfire wrote:Louis by TKO.

I'd be fairly confident in this fight. Louis would step inside his long swings and destroy Foreman with FAST quick combos.

I agree

ThatOne · Post by **ThatOne** » 27 Dec 2009, 07:49

Goodnight, Irene wrote:
ThatOne wrote:Who wins and why?
Who would you be backing, anyway?

IMHO, he has to come to Big George and he's going to get walloped.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 27 Dec 2009, 09:01

"Name all the fighters that you see beating a prime Foreman. I see you are a big Foreman fan and would like to see what to think. By no means am I saying you are a fan boy or biased, actually it's the opposite I see you have a vast knowledge of the sport and want your opinion." - Juggernaut

If you're talking about who I would favour to beat Foreman (i.e. better than 50-50 shot against him), I would go with the following...

Louis
Liston
Ali

I would give him an outside shot at the peak, faster (but less durable) version of Ali, & he would be a starting underdog in my book against Louis & Liston, but not by much, in either case. More than just a live underdog. There are a few darkhorses amongst the legendary Heavyweights I would consider live underdogs against Foreman --- Jeffries, Dempsey & Tunney being those. I'd make all three fairly big underdogs, but, amongst those most would write off against Foreman, they (especially Tunney) have the best shot at an upset. There's also one bout I favour Foreman in, but it's virtually a 50-50 call...& that's against Holmes.

marchegiano007 · Post by **marchegiano007** » 30 Dec 2009, 17:10

Joe is one of the best punchers of all time and the accuracy of his punches was remarkable. But he never faced and opponent intimidating like foreman or liston in their primes. Big thunderous punchers. I will said if foreman can not take louis out in 5 rounds. Louis by tko in 8 rounds like Ali.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 30 Dec 2009, 17:20

Foreman never faced anyone like Louis, either. I often see people make your point, but not the reverse one I just did.

marchegiano007 · Post by **marchegiano007** » 31 Dec 2009, 02:20

Sure the other way the same, but Ali has better quality of competition than Louis. You can not compare Ali's opponents. Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Norton, etc.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 31 Dec 2009, 12:31

marchegiano007 wrote:Sure the other way the same, but Ali has better quality of competition than Louis. You can not compare Ali's opponents. Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, Norton, etc.

What does Ali have to do with this?

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 01 Jan 2010, 13:37

marchegiano007 wrote:Joe is one of the best punchers of all time and the accuracy of his punches was remarkable. But he never faced and opponent intimidating like foreman or liston in their primes. Big thunderous punchers. .

Louis fought the Foreman of his day in Max Baer, an iron-jawed knockout artist, and destroyed him in 4 rounds.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 01 Jan 2010, 14:09

dempseyfire wrote:
marchegiano007 wrote:Joe is one of the best punchers of all time and the accuracy of his punches was remarkable. But he never faced and opponent intimidating like foreman or liston in their primes. Big thunderous punchers. .

Louis fought the Foreman of his day in Max Baer, an iron-jawed knockout artist, and destroyed him in 4 rounds.

I believe Louis knocks out Foreman, but comparing Foreman to Baer is one of the biggest insults I ever heard.

George Foreman might hunt you down if he saw this.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 01 Jan 2010, 17:20

Of course Foreman>Baer but they do have some notable similarities, and I was reacting to the previous comment that Louis never fought a puncher-destoryer like a Foreman/Liston. I definitely believe that Baer's power was on the same level as George's (although not as strong in total) and like George he demonstrated a concrete chin throughout his career. They also were both critiqued for not using their boxing skills enough and being too free-swinging in their punches, but both also showed on several occasions that they were much better boxers than given credit for.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 01 Jan 2010, 18:21

Foreman is absolutely leagues more threatening than Baer, but Louis did at least best him easily --- & before he had really hit his peak, to boot.

Still, it's no serious comparison between the two.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 02 Jan 2010, 03:50

Leagues more threatening? Based on what? Baer's power led to the deaths of two men in the ring, that's about as threatening as it gets. After the Campbell death Baer toned down the aggression for several bouts and yes he did clown away the title to Braddock who he thought would be a complete pushover, but a focused Baer was one of the most dangerous heavyweight punchers of all time.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 02 Jan 2010, 10:29

The intensity & opening swiftness with which Foreman struck was dramatically better, &, unlike Baer, he always came to fight (destroy, was more like it). He was also a much better two-fisted hitter than was Baer. His chin was at least as sturdy --- probably moreso. Certainly a more sharpened killer instinct. Advantages in height, weight, reach.

Foreman would have pounded Baer into the canvas like a tentpole. He is leagues more threatening than Baer.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 02 Jan 2010, 11:20

Baer was about a half inch shorter than Foreman, with a LONGER reach and weighed anywhere from 210-220 in peak shape, compared to Foreman's 215-225 . . .not a notable size differential at all. As for Foreman having some sort of real speed advantage, I completly disagree.

More consistent . . .sure. No-one's going to argue that. But at their best, both definitely on the same playing field as far as danger is concerned.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 02 Jan 2010, 13:20

The Brown Bomber TKOs The Mummy IMO.

Louis is too fast & accurate for the slower & wild swinging Foreman IMHO.

Foreman does have the advantage in physical strength & size, but Louis is the better technician & he had the best short punches in the business & they would have been crucial in stopping Foreman bullying him in close & using his massive strength to try & tire Louis out.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 05 Feb 2010, 00:53

Louis has twelve votes, & Foreman, eleven.

Maybe that's how a long-running series might turn out. Twelve wins for Louis, eleven for Foreman (though someone might've died before so many rematches could eventuate!).

Very close. Very hairy for either man.

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 05 Feb 2010, 01:39

Well, I just made it 12 and 12.

It is close, but I just see GF getting Louis out. Especially if he is allowed to shove Louis away.

Another case of a fight that could well swing the other way IF it got to the early middle rounds.