The British & Irish forum members voted in a poll that they considered Afolabi to be British, so I decided to include him.diggler wrote:was surprised after all the fuss about you not thinking he was english,
Probably.diggler wrote:if froch wins kessler he should be number 1
As far as opposition level goes, he is.diggler wrote:munroe is no where near the 5th best boxer in britan
The quiet man 2004 wrote:Is Enzo worthy of inclusion?
I don't think Maccarinelli's claim to a place in the list is much weaker than the claim of anyone who is not currently in the list. So, I think his position on the list at No.29 is okay.The quiet man 2004 wrote:I mean Enzo shouldnt be in there at all.
Booth is the current British Super Bantamweight champion, not the current British Bantamweight champion (just saying).G0mez wrote:I think Jason Booth should be higher.
Former British & commonwealth flyweight champion.
IBO super flyweight champion
current British & commonwealth bantam champion
Yet languishes behind wbogus challengers and prospects.
He's not.Horse wrote:As far as opposition level goes, he is.diggler wrote:munroe is no where near the 5th best boxer in britan
Booth was in 19th place in November, after his win over Hunter, which I think was a fair ranking. Since then he has fallen 6 places in two months, as other fighters have overtaken him.GazMan85 wrote:Booth should be higher IMO.
His recent opposition has been fairly poor though, and I wouldn't say that he has beaten anyone World class, yet.stujones wrote:I think as a EBU champion, McCloskey should be higher. Passed every test so far, including some world ranked fighters.
Prescott is decent, but I would favour almost all of the British top 30 to beat him in a P4P fight. Prescott could possibly be European class, but he is not European, and I don't think a win over him makes a fighter European class.Des1 wrote:Are you seriousHorse wrote:Munroe has been fighting at a significantly higher level than Mitchell, Cleverly and Brook for about two years, so I think he belongs above those fighters for now. Neither Mitchell, Cleverly or Brook have reached European level yet.Mitchell has not reached European level yet?? Are we talking about the same man who has just clearly out boxed Prescott who holds a KO 1 win over Khan, the WBA 'World' Champion in a World title eliminator.
I consider the Arthur that Cook beat to be better than Prescott. Mitchell has not achieved close to as much as Cook has achieved at this stage of his career.Des1 wrote:And so what that Cook is a former WBO Champion? The calibure of opponent he beat closely on points in Arthur is not above Prescott. How you can have Cook above Mitchell at this point of their careers is laughable.
Form, and momentum, prior to fights is more important than form after fights, imo.FLINT ISLAND wrote:I question Hayes position as number 1 on the thread starters list.
He knocked out Mormeck - who since has just decsioned a journeyman and been inactive ever since.
He stopped Maccarenelli - who since has knocked out a couple of journeymen - but was knocked out / stopped when he fought fringe world level fighters in Alfloabi and Lebdev.
He knocked out Monte Barret - who since then has just found his role in the sport as a journeymen giving rising fighters a good work out.
He questionably decsioned Valeuv in a unconvincing performance - who despite his immense size is considered the worst heavyweight champion of modern times (maybe ever) and since that fight he plans to quit the sport and open up a hot dog stand !!!!
Haye is a good fighter - dont get me wrong.
BUT - his legacy since he became Crsuierweight / Heavyweight Champion is weak because none of the last 4 fighters he has beaten to stake his claim as the World best have done anything since to boost Hayes wins.
I was not impressed with Smith's performance against Quigley. If Smith had beaten Quigley in more impressive fashion then he probably would have entered the top 30.Deno1986 wrote:whats the reason for Paul Smith not being included Horse?
Cook's inactivity would not serve him well if he had to fight those fighters in P4P fights anytime soon, which is why I plan to move him down the list at the next reasonable opportunity. I think he would give any of them a decent fight, but he would probably be an underdog against most of them at the moment.Asterix wrote:[*]Nicky Cook is too high, imo. I think, pound for pound, the 7 boxers below (12-18) would beat him.
Maybe he should be a few places higher, but I didn't feel like entering a fighter coming off a loss particularly high on the list.Asterix wrote:[*]Afolabi is far too low. He beat Maccarinelli for the interim WBO World title and and then a close to decision to Huck in Germany. He's the 4th best cruiser in the World according to Boxrec.
His performance against McDonagh was very poor, so I didn't feel I could push him too many places up the list after that performance.Asterix wrote:[*]Anthony Small should be a bit higher, imo.
Dunne has had a win over a top 10 World ranked fighter in the last 12 months. I don't think that should be ignored, so that fighters who have never fought at that level can overtake him, just because they are on a winning streak against inferior opposition.Asterix wrote:[*]Bernard Dunne should be a bit lower, imo.
Who should be above him then?Asterix wrote:He's not.
http://boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=U ... &SUBMIT=Go
Munroe hasn't really beaten very good opposition. His best opposition are bottom feeders (Simone Maludrottu, Kiko Martinez).
Who should be above Haye? Hatton? Froch? Anyone else?FLINT ISLAND wrote:I question Hayes position as number 1 on the thread starters list.
He knocked out Mormeck - who since has just decsioned a journeyman and been inactive ever since.
He stopped Maccarenelli - who since has knocked out a couple of journeymen - but was knocked out / stopped when he fought fringe world level fighters in Alfloabi and Lebdev.
He knocked out Monte Barret - who since then has just found his role in the sport as a journeymen giving rising fighters a good work out.
He questionably decsioned Valeuv in a unconvincing performance - who despite his immense size is considered the worst heavyweight champion of modern times (maybe ever) and since that fight he plans to quit the sport and open up a hot dog stand !!!!
Haye is a good fighter - dont get me wrong.
BUT - his legacy since he became Crsuierweight / Heavyweight Champion is weak because none of the last 4 fighters he has beaten to stake his claim as the World best have done anything since to boost Hayes wins.
The list is mostly based on achievement, yes.Captain Hook wrote:So basically Horse, this entire list is based on level of opposition? From every answer you've given so far it would appear so.
Hatton dominated and stopped Malignaggi just over a year ago. Malignaggi is clearly a World class fighter, so it is not as if Hatton has done nothing in the last few years.Captain Hook wrote:Froch below Hatton, when Froch is unbeaten and world champion and Hatton has been knocked out and hardly fought in the last few years, is laughable.
Alternatives?Captain Hook wrote:And Munroe at 5? Jeez..
I'd put Froch NO 1, his wins against Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor he has beaten two better fighters there than Haye has.Horse wrote:Who should be above Haye? Hatton? Froch? Anyone else?FLINT ISLAND wrote:I question Hayes position as number 1 on the thread starters list.
He knocked out Mormeck - who since has just decsioned a journeyman and been inactive ever since.
He stopped Maccarenelli - who since has knocked out a couple of journeymen - but was knocked out / stopped when he fought fringe world level fighters in Alfloabi and Lebdev.
He knocked out Monte Barret - who since then has just found his role in the sport as a journeymen giving rising fighters a good work out.
He questionably decsioned Valeuv in a unconvincing performance - who despite his immense size is considered the worst heavyweight champion of modern times (maybe ever) and since that fight he plans to quit the sport and open up a hot dog stand !!!!
Haye is a good fighter - dont get me wrong.
BUT - his legacy since he became Crsuierweight / Heavyweight Champion is weak because none of the last 4 fighters he has beaten to stake his claim as the World best have done anything since to boost Hayes wins.
Like I suggested to Asterix in my previous post, anyone's record can be taken apart, but who has done more?
Haye beat the undisputed champion at Cruiserweight in Mormeck, and beat a World title holder and definite top 10 World ranked fighter in Maccarinelli. Moved to Heavyweight and beat a fringe World level contender in Barrett, and then beat a World title holder and definite top 5 World ranked fighter in Valuev.
Which British fighter can match these achievements in recent years? Which do you put forward to be the number one in his place?
Yes, on second thoughts, I have probably entered Afolabi too low down in the rankings. I didn't put enough thought into that decision.stujones wrote:I am surprised you put Afolabi in, at this stage - as it goes against your rules.... pleasantly surprised I might add. I'd probably have in the lower end of the top 10.
This is my interpretation of Haye and Froch's (in red) combined top 10 opponents:FLINT ISLAND wrote:I'd put Froch NO 1, his wins against Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor he has beaten two better fighters there than Haye has.