Can we please clarify exactly why all these latino hispanic et al fighters are being renamed from their known persona to strange full names (including middle names)?
For example, in the heavies, on Boxrec we have the perfectly logical James (Bonecrusher) Smith, Donovan (Razor) Ruddock, James (Quick) Tillis. This presentation makes sense as they are more known for their nicknames than their forenames.
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In the lower divisions, we no longer have Yaqui Lopez. We now have 'Alvaro Lopez'. When exactly did anyone ever hear of Lopez referred to as this name? If anything he should be presented as Alvaro (Yaqui) Lopez, but no, which makes it difficult for the unititiated Boxrec user.
Yory Boy Campas has become 'Luis Ramon Campas' (who?)
Juan Roldan is now 'Juan Domingo Roldan' (please justify)
Not long ago some fool even changed the very well known Oscar Bonavena into the inexplicable Oscar Napolitino Bonavena. WHY???
Is it the same cretinous editor who once changed the very well known Mitch (Blood) Green into Mitchell Green...?
Do you people see my point? Does Boxrec have any clear guidelines on this sort of thing?I have noticed many other examples but these were the ones i remembered.
Can we please justify this bizarre focus on hispanic fighters middle names? When was Roldan ever referred top as Juan Domingo etc?
This is confusing and misleading for people seeking info. Responses/Opinions appreciated.
SERIOUS INCONSISTENCIES WITH BOXERS NAMES
I was just about to make a comment about this myself as I am one who seems to be consistently putting the nicknamces back in.
I am tired of seeing James Smith instead of James (Bonecrusher) Smith, James Douglas instead of James (Buster) Douglas, Eric Esch instead of Eric (Butterbean) Esch, or Randall Cobb instead of Randall (Tex) Cobb.
If a fighter is commonly known as a particular name (i.e., Tony Thompson as opposed to Anthony Thompson, Tommy Morrison instead of Tom or Thomas Morrison), use that name. There is a place in the boxer's record to add birth name, so please use this. Also, if a fighter is known by their nickname, i.e. James (Quick) Tillis, use the format I just used.
If ever in doubt, just remember how the figher is called, and this is especially the case when a figher's first name is rarely used (i.e., Razor Ruddock). Obviously we shouldn't go overboard and put every nickname in [i.e., Michael (Second To) Nunn], but when it's part of their ring name, then use it.
I'm going to change a bunch of these back, and whoever has been doing this, please stop changing them.
I am tired of seeing James Smith instead of James (Bonecrusher) Smith, James Douglas instead of James (Buster) Douglas, Eric Esch instead of Eric (Butterbean) Esch, or Randall Cobb instead of Randall (Tex) Cobb.
If a fighter is commonly known as a particular name (i.e., Tony Thompson as opposed to Anthony Thompson, Tommy Morrison instead of Tom or Thomas Morrison), use that name. There is a place in the boxer's record to add birth name, so please use this. Also, if a fighter is known by their nickname, i.e. James (Quick) Tillis, use the format I just used.
If ever in doubt, just remember how the figher is called, and this is especially the case when a figher's first name is rarely used (i.e., Razor Ruddock). Obviously we shouldn't go overboard and put every nickname in [i.e., Michael (Second To) Nunn], but when it's part of their ring name, then use it.
I'm going to change a bunch of these back, and whoever has been doing this, please stop changing them.
The name at the top of the profile header in the boxer’s record is what’s used by the present day commissions.
Plus there is an Alias Box where nicknames are now entered. AFAIK, both should come up in the searches.
There is also a Birth Name Box where the full legal name the boxer was given at birth is entered.
Having followed both boxer’s careers from the beginning, the names Luis Ramon Campas and Juan Domingo Roldan was used by Latinos long before they came to the USA.
Because of large extended families, the use of two given names is common practice and really helps distinguish all the Alvarez’, Batistas’, Cruz’, Dominguez’, Escobar’s, Flores’, Garcias, Gonzales’, Hernandez’, Ibarra’s, Jimenez’, Leon’s, Lopez’, Marquez’, Martinez’, Morales’, Munoz’, Nunez’, Ortegas’, Pacheco’s, Quiroz’, Rodriguez’, Rojas’, Sanchez’, Torres’ Vegas’, Yanez’, & Zarate’s on BoxRec from one-an-other.
Did U know Miguel Cotto’s brother’s name is Miguel Coto?
There is also the changing of boxers names which is common practice in Thailand and in the USA where the name is hard to pronounce.
For example,
Although the USA commissions use the name Yamplier Azcuy, His promoter has change his name to “Yanqui Diaz”.
Plus there is an Alias Box where nicknames are now entered. AFAIK, both should come up in the searches.
There is also a Birth Name Box where the full legal name the boxer was given at birth is entered.
Having followed both boxer’s careers from the beginning, the names Luis Ramon Campas and Juan Domingo Roldan was used by Latinos long before they came to the USA.
Because of large extended families, the use of two given names is common practice and really helps distinguish all the Alvarez’, Batistas’, Cruz’, Dominguez’, Escobar’s, Flores’, Garcias, Gonzales’, Hernandez’, Ibarra’s, Jimenez’, Leon’s, Lopez’, Marquez’, Martinez’, Morales’, Munoz’, Nunez’, Ortegas’, Pacheco’s, Quiroz’, Rodriguez’, Rojas’, Sanchez’, Torres’ Vegas’, Yanez’, & Zarate’s on BoxRec from one-an-other.
Did U know Miguel Cotto’s brother’s name is Miguel Coto?
There is also the changing of boxers names which is common practice in Thailand and in the USA where the name is hard to pronounce.
For example,
Although the USA commissions use the name Yamplier Azcuy, His promoter has change his name to “Yanqui Diaz”.
Juan Roldan
I remember pre Hagler fight Juan Roldan was always called Juan Domingo Roldan
Everything has a place and everything in it's place. Combining the nickname with the fight name loses the nickname. If everything stays in it's proper field it can be utilized. When you type in the name James Smith you get a list of fighters with the same name with his nickname prominently displayed. (I even saw a "Little Bonecrusher.") Although I believe the site to be very user friendly, the make-up of those logging on are increasingly more professional to include managers, trainers, promoters, commissions, etc. As the fighter name & birth name fields can be, and I expect at some future date, will be, used to generate professional reports, the nickname has no place there.
I disagree.
I simply don't think that putting Donovan (Razor) Ruddock diminishes anything from the professionalism of the site, in fact I think it covers all bases. If a causal observer wants to look up his record, or Butterbean's for example, they will just type 'Razor Ruddock' or 'Butterbean' in the fields. And while yes, the search might come up with these names regardless, only knowledgeable boxing fans would identify who Eric Esch is on Larry Holmes' fight record (or James Smith, who Holmes fought twice, for that matter).
Let's not forget how many of the fighters of the past didn't even go by their real names. Shall we change Jersey Joe Walcott back to Arnold Cream? Hell, he wasn't even the first Joe Walcott. Even Felix Sturm was Adnan Catic until he turned pro.
In regards to middle names, I think they should be used when appropriate, as when a fighter is announced by that name or when there's a fighter with a very similar name in a relatively close weightclass. Jose Miguel Cotto: Yes. Lennox Claudius Lewis: NO!
There are already enough fields to document aliases, birthnames, and ring names, and I think that the most common name of a fighter should be listed on a fight record. If someone wants to further analyze a fighter's name, stats, whatever, they can easily click on that fighter to find more information. It's a harmless addition that does more good than harm in my opinion. and it would be silly to reduce the usability of this website. Limiting ourselves by not allowing such, would be doing just that, as all of this data can still be entered, accessed, and utilized. This is an addition to previously entered data, not a subtraction or substitution.
We're trying to make this site better, more well-rounded, and more usable and friendly to both hardcore and casual fans alike. For every high-nosing, harrumphing fan whose stomach rolls in distaste at seeing the '(Butterbean)' between the 'Eric' and the 'Esch', I'll bet there's ten other fans who would applaud that extra step taken by the editors to remove ambiguity and paint the picture how it truly is.
I simply don't think that putting Donovan (Razor) Ruddock diminishes anything from the professionalism of the site, in fact I think it covers all bases. If a causal observer wants to look up his record, or Butterbean's for example, they will just type 'Razor Ruddock' or 'Butterbean' in the fields. And while yes, the search might come up with these names regardless, only knowledgeable boxing fans would identify who Eric Esch is on Larry Holmes' fight record (or James Smith, who Holmes fought twice, for that matter).
Let's not forget how many of the fighters of the past didn't even go by their real names. Shall we change Jersey Joe Walcott back to Arnold Cream? Hell, he wasn't even the first Joe Walcott. Even Felix Sturm was Adnan Catic until he turned pro.
In regards to middle names, I think they should be used when appropriate, as when a fighter is announced by that name or when there's a fighter with a very similar name in a relatively close weightclass. Jose Miguel Cotto: Yes. Lennox Claudius Lewis: NO!
There are already enough fields to document aliases, birthnames, and ring names, and I think that the most common name of a fighter should be listed on a fight record. If someone wants to further analyze a fighter's name, stats, whatever, they can easily click on that fighter to find more information. It's a harmless addition that does more good than harm in my opinion. and it would be silly to reduce the usability of this website. Limiting ourselves by not allowing such, would be doing just that, as all of this data can still be entered, accessed, and utilized. This is an addition to previously entered data, not a subtraction or substitution.
We're trying to make this site better, more well-rounded, and more usable and friendly to both hardcore and casual fans alike. For every high-nosing, harrumphing fan whose stomach rolls in distaste at seeing the '(Butterbean)' between the 'Eric' and the 'Esch', I'll bet there's ten other fans who would applaud that extra step taken by the editors to remove ambiguity and paint the picture how it truly is.
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I see this is going to be one opf those unresolved threads where a fussy editor refuses to change things..?
Just for the record, I'd like to add ex-champ Jorge Castro to the list of fighters who didnt need to be messed with. He is now, for some unknown reason, re-named 'Jorge Fernando Castro'. Great!!
Just for the record, I'd like to add ex-champ Jorge Castro to the list of fighters who didnt need to be messed with. He is now, for some unknown reason, re-named 'Jorge Fernando Castro'. Great!!
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as he calls for the referee. 
the disagreement is a good example of a group trap.
Names
The question that is arrived at the USA, many latin american boxers see simplified its names for comfort of the american people, when in its countries are known by its complete names, case Juan Domingo Roldán or Víctor Emilio Galíndez. And aid to the search and not to commit errors in the information, as it happened sometimes, that some boxers not very known, had their fights in 4 and up to 5 different files.