Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:Lou Thesz
4-24-16---4-24-2002

Wrestling career

Born in Banat, Michigan, Thesz moved to St. Louis when he was a young boy. His working-class immigrant parents hailed from the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. Beginning in Thesz's early youth, his father personally gave him a tough and thorough education in Greco-Roman wrestling, which provided the fundamentals for his later success. While in high school he was a successful freestyle wrestling competitor on his school team; as he recalled many years later, he and a friend once "worked" a dramatic match against each other at a tournament, and were amused when nobody could see how much they were faking. As a teenager, he also trained in amateur wrestling with legendary hooker Ad Santel. Thesz made his professional wrestling debut in 1932, at the age of 16. He soon met Ed "Strangler" Lewis, the biggest wrestling star of the 1920s, who taught a young Lou the art of "hooking" (the ability to stretch your opponent with painful holds). The two formed a lasting friendship. By 1937, Thesz had become one of the biggest stars in the St. Louis territory, and on December 29 he defeated Everett Marshall for the National Wrestling Association World Heavyweight Title, the first of many World Heavyweight Championships. Thesz became the youngest World Heavyweight Champion in history, at the age of 21, a record which stands to this day. Thesz dropped the title to Steve "Crusher" Casey in Boston six weeks later. He won the title again in 1939, once again defeating Marshall, and again in 1948, defeating Bill Longson.

In 1948, the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) was formed, the purpose being to create one World Champion for all the various wrestling territories throughout North America. Orville Brown, the reigning Midwest World Heavyweight Title holder, was named the first champion. Thesz, at the time, was head of a promotional combine that included fellow wrestling champions Longson, Bobby Managoff, Canadian promoter Frank Tunney and Eddie Quinn, who promoted in the St. Louis territory where NWA promoter Sam Muchnick was running opposition. Quinn and Muchnick ended their promotional war, and Thesz' promotion was absorbed into the NWA. Part of the deal was a title unification match between Brown and Thesz, who held the National Wrestling Association's World Title. Unfortunately, just weeks before the scheduled bout, Brown was involved in an automobile accident that ended his career. He was forced to vacate the championship and the NWA awarded the title to the #1 contender, Thesz. Thesz was chosen for his skill as a "hooker" to prevent double crosses by would-be shooters who would deviate from the planned finish for personal glory.Another "hooker" that was named by Thesz was Jerry Stephens, (also known as "Nazi," or "El Grande Pistolero" (Spanish for "the great gunman").

Between 1949 and 1956, Thesz set out to unify all the existing World Titles into the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. In 1952 he defeated Baron Michele Leone in Los Angeles for the California World Heavyweight title and became the first undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion since the days of Frank Gotch and Georg Hackenschmidt. Thesz finally dropped the Title to Whipper Billy Watson in 1956, and took several months off to recuperate from an ankle injury. He regained the title from Watson seven months later.

1957 was an important year for Thesz; on June 14, the first taint to Thesz' claim of undisputed Champion occurred in a match with gymnast-turned-wrestling star, Edouard Carpentier. The match was tied at two falls apiece when Thesz claimed a back injury and forfeit the last fall. Carpentier was declared the winner, but the NWA chose not to recognize the title change, deciding a championship could not change hands due to injury. Despite the NWA's decision, there were some promotions who continued to recognize Carpentier's claim to the World Heavyweight title. That same year, Thesz became the first wrestler to defend the NWA World Heavyweight Championship in Japan, wrestling Rikidōzan in a series of 60 minute draws. Their bouts popularized pro wrestling in Japan, gaining the sport mainstream acceptance. Realizing he could make more money in the land of the rising sun, Thesz petitioned to the NWA promoters to regularly defend the belt in Japan. His request was turned down, and Thesz asked to drop the title to his own hand picked champion, Dick Hutton, rather than Thesz's real-life rival and the more popular choice, Buddy Rogers. Thesz would embark on a tour of Europe and Japan, billing himself as the NWA International Champion; this title is still recognized as a part of All Japan Pro Wrestling's Triple Crown Championship.

In 1963, Thesz came out of semi-retirement to win his sixth World Heavyweight Championship from Buddy Rogers, at the age of 46. Legend has it that Rogers was having second thoughts about dropping the title, and Thesz responded by saying, "we could do this the easy way or the hard way" . He would hold the title until 1966 when, at the age of 49, he was dethroned by Gene Kiniski.

Thesz wrestled on a part-time basis over the next 13 years, winning his last major Title in 1978, in Mexico, becoming the inaugural Universal Wrestling Alliance Heavyweight Champion at the age of 62, before dropping the championship to El Canek a year later. Thesz officially retired in 1979, after a match with Luke Graham. He remained retired for the most part, before wrestling his last match on December 26, 1990 in Hamamatsu, Japan at the age of 74, against his protegé, Masahiro Chono.

Thanks, Frank. I must have something wrong regarding the Lou Thesz story. Unless it happened prior to his death?
Rick, I believe that was Vern Gagne you may be thinking of. Very, very similar to Thesz, in that, they weren't into the flash as much as real wrestling holds and such. As a matter of fact I think they looked very much alike too. I recall the story as well. Gagne in the nursing home, whatever age he is and sent another resident flying across the room killing him. The Gagne family were very guarded about the situation and quietly removed the still very dangerous ex-champ from the facility. I believe the Gagne family is worth a fortune due to Vern being one of the co-founders and creators of the WWF.

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An American tourist in London decides to skip his tour group and explore the city on his own. He wanders around, seeing the sights, occasionally stopping at a quaint pub to soak up the local culture, chat with the locals, and have a pint of bitter.

After a while, he finds himself in a very nice neighborhood with big, stately residences...no pubs, no stores, no restaurants, and worst of all NO PUBLIC RESTROOMS.

He really, really has to go, after all those Guinnesses. He finds a narrow side street, with high walls surrounding the adjacent buildings and decides to use the wall to solve his problem.

As he is unzipping, he is tapped on the shoulder by a London police officer, who says, "I say, sir, you simply cannot do that here, you know."

"I'm very sorry, officer," replies the American, "but I really, really have to go, and I just can't find a public restroom."

"Ah, yes," said the policeman..."Just follow me". He leads the American to a back delivery alley to a gate, which he opens.

"In there," points the policeman. "Go ahead sir, anywhere you like."

The fellow enters and finds himself in the most beautiful garden he has ever seen. Manicured grass lawns, statuary, fountains, sculptured hedges, and huge beds of gorgeous flowers, all in perfect bloom.

Since he has the policeman's blessing, he relieves himself and feels much more comfortable. As he goes back through the gate, he says to the police officer, "That was really decent of you... is that what you call English hospitality?"

"No sir...", replied the police officer, "...that is what we call the French Embassy."
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There was a man who worked for the Post Office whose job was to process all the mail that had illegible addresses. One day, a letter came addressed in a shaky handwriting to God with no actual address, but with a return address on the reverse side. He thought he should open it to see what it was about. The letter read:

Dear God,

I am an 83 year old widow, living on a very small pension.

Yesterday someone stole my purse. It had $100 in it, which was all the money I had until my next pension payment.

Next Sunday is Christmas, and I had invited two of my friends over for dinner. Without that money, I have nothing to buy food with, have no family to turn to, and you are my only hope. Can you please help me?

Sincerely, Edna

The postal worker was touched. He showed the letter to all the other workers. Each one dug into his or her wallet and came up with a few dollars.
By the time he made the rounds, he had collected $96, which they put into an envelope and sent to the woman..
The rest of the day, all the workers felt a warm glow thinking of Edna and the dinner she would be able to share with her friends.
Christmas came and went. A few days later, another letter came from the same old lady to God. All the workers gathered around while the letter was opened. It read:

Dear God,

How can I ever thank you enough for what you did for me? You knew who took my money and you got it back from them for me. My purse was old anyway and although you did not get it back it is ok with me. I have another one that I can use.

Because of your gift of love, I was able to fix a glorious dinner for my friends. We had a very nice day and I told my friends of your wonderful gift. I look forward to meeting you someday in Heaven. At the age of 83 I suppose it won't be too many more years before we meet.
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By the way, there was $4 missing.

I think it might have been those bastards at the post office.

Sincerely, Edna
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A guy is at the Pearly Gates, hoping to be admitted, and St. Peter says to the guy, "I can't see that you did anything really good in your life, but you never did anything bad either. I tell you what, if you can tell me one really good deed that you did, you're in."
So the guy says, "Once I was driving down the road and saw a gang of bikers assaulting this poor girl. So I pulled over, got out my car, grabbed a tire iron and walked straight up to the gang's leader--a huge ugly guy with a studded leather jacket, bald head but with hair all over his body, and a chain running from his nose to his ear.

Undaunted, I ripped the chain out of his nose and ear and smashed him over the head with the tire iron. Then I turned around and, wielding my tire iron, yelled to the rest of them, 'You leave this poor, innocent lady alone! You're all a bunch of sick, deranged animals! Go home before I teach you all a lesson in pain!'"

Impressed, St. Peter says, "Really? I can't seem to find this in your file. When did this happen?"

"Oh, about two minutes ago."
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bennie wrote:Muhammad Ali is 68 on Sunday. Here he is dismantling Jean-Pierre Coopman of Belgium in five rounds in February 1976 - just four months after the third Frazier killer. Is it really any surprise that Ali lost his health?

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I remember this fight. The "Thrilla in Manilla" took everything out of Ali, and Joe Frazier too, Ali never had another meaningful fight again unless you count the second Ali-Spinks fight as meaningful. Looking at this photo you can see that this fight and Ali's condition was the beginning of the end.

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In the late '40s-early '50 my buddies and I were secret wrestling fans, why secret you may ask? well bcause we were boxing guys and everybody knew that only little old ladies watch wrestling, plus everybody knew that wrestling was fake. That was at the time that we were still living in Simons, my buddies and I would ride our bikes to Olympic Blvd just south of Montebello City Park where there was an appliance store, after closing hours they would leave a tv facing the window on, we would ride there and sit on the side walk and watch wrestling.

The Lou Thesz/Baron Michele Leone in 1952 was so big an event that it was put outside at one of the ball parks, don't remember which one though.
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dagosd2000 wrote:THE WAY TO THE TILE GUY'S HEART IS THROUGH HIS STOMACH

We got the dining room and the kitchen tiled today. Juan Nungaray is our tile guy. Nice fellow.Got a wife and three boys. Juan's been yapping with Maria as he goes along laying the tiles. My wife is watching novelas and finally got into the kitchen to cook. I don't know if she was aware of it,but she had Juan in her sights. I'd say Juan is in his 30's. A soft spoken gentleman. He speaks to Maria in Spanish. He humbly calls her "Senora." The other day she made him chile rellenos. Today it was gorditas with her homemade salsa.

Me and the wife decided to get the living room and hallway tiled also.This area is about twice as large as the kitchen and dining room.Juan gave us his bid. Came in lower than the kitchen and dining room. Guess I have to take my wife to TJ again to do some grocery shopping. :TU:


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Maria eating a hand made gordita with her homemade chile. Sets off the fire alarm in the house. :bow:
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kikibalt wrote:In the late '40s-early '50 my buddies and I were secret wrestling fans, why secret you may ask? well bcause we were boxing guys and everybody knew that only little old ladies watch wrestling, plus everybody knew that wrestling was fake. That was at the time that we were still living in Simons, my buddies and I would ride our bikes to Olympic Blvd just south of Montebello City Park where there was an appliance store, after closing hours they would leave a tv facing the window on, we would ride there and sit on the side walk and watch wrestling.

The Lou Thesz/Baron Michele Leone in 1952 was so big an event that it was put outside at one of the ball parks, don't remember which one though.
Wrestling is fake?
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:In the late '40s-early '50 my buddies and I were secret wrestling fans, why secret you may ask? well bcause we were boxing guys and everybody knew that only little old ladies watch wrestling, plus everybody knew that wrestling was fake. That was at the time that we were still living in Simons, my buddies and I would ride our bikes to Olympic Blvd just south of Montebello City Park where there was an appliance store, after closing hours they would leave a tv facing the window on, we would ride there and sit on the side walk and watch wrestling.

The Lou Thesz/Baron Michele Leone in 1952 was so big an event that it was put outside at one of the ball parks, don't remember which one though.
Wrestling is fake?
My popz said it was..... :OhYes: :lol:
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Harley-Davidson Facts

The inventor of the Harley-Davidson motorcycle, Arthur Davidson , died and went to heaven.

At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur . 'Since you've been such a good man and your motorcycles
Have changed the world, your reward is, you can hang out with anyone you want to in heaven.'

Arthur thought about it for a minute and then said, ' I want to hang out with God.'

St. Peter took Arthur to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.

God recognized Arthur and commented, 'Okay, so you were the one who invented the Harley-Davidson motorcycle? '
Arthur said, 'Yeah, that's me...'

God commented: 'Well, what's the big deal in inventing something that's pretty unstable, makes noise and pollution and can't run without a road?'

Arthur was a bit embarrassed, but finally spoke, 'Excuse me, but aren't you the inventor of woman?'

God said, 'Ah, yes.'

'Well,' said Arthur , professional to professional, you have some major design flaws in your invention !

1. There's too much inconsistency in the front-end suspension
2. It chatters constantly at high speeds
3. Most rear ends are too soft and wobble about too much
4. The intake is placed way too close to the exhaust.
5. The maintenance costs are outrageous!!!!
'Hmmmmm, you may have some good points there,' replied God, 'hold on.'

God went to his Celestial supercomputer, typed in a few words and waited for the results.

The computer printed out a slip of paper and God read it.

'Well, it may be true that my invention is flawed,' God said to Arthur , 'but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than yours'.
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:In the late '40s-early '50 my buddies and I were secret wrestling fans, why secret you may ask? well bcause we were boxing guys and everybody knew that only little old ladies watch wrestling, plus everybody knew that wrestling was fake. That was at the time that we were still living in Simons, my buddies and I would ride our bikes to Olympic Blvd just south of Montebello City Park where there was an appliance store, after closing hours they would leave a tv facing the window on, we would ride there and sit on the side walk and watch wrestling.

The Lou Thesz/Baron Michele Leone in 1952 was so big an event that it was put outside at one of the ball parks, don't remember which one though.
Wrestling is fake?
My popz said it was..... :OhYes: :lol:
My great grandmother Victoria was a die hard wrestling fan. With a cigarette in her hand she would watch the wrestling shows, screaming in Spanish and yelling at the kids to get away from the TV. This was back in the 50's and early60's. Man, it was funny to watch her. You couldn't convince her it was fake.

Randy :lol:
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Randyman wrote:Harley-Davidson Facts

The inventor of the Harley-Davidson motorcycle, Arthur Davidson , died and went to heaven.

At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur . 'Since you've been such a good man and your motorcycles
Have changed the world, your reward is, you can hang out with anyone you want to in heaven.'

Arthur thought about it for a minute and then said, ' I want to hang out with God.'

St. Peter took Arthur to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.

God recognized Arthur and commented, 'Okay, so you were the one who invented the Harley-Davidson motorcycle? '
Arthur said, 'Yeah, that's me...'

God commented: 'Well, what's the big deal in inventing something that's pretty unstable, makes noise and pollution and can't run without a road?'

Arthur was a bit embarrassed, but finally spoke, 'Excuse me, but aren't you the inventor of woman?'

God said, 'Ah, yes.'

'Well,' said Arthur , professional to professional, you have some major design flaws in your invention !

1. There's too much inconsistency in the front-end suspension
2. It chatters constantly at high speeds
3. Most rear ends are too soft and wobble about too much
4. The intake is placed way too close to the exhaust.
5. The maintenance costs are outrageous!!!!
'Hmmmmm, you may have some good points there,' replied God, 'hold on.'

God went to his Celestial supercomputer, typed in a few words and waited for the results.

The computer printed out a slip of paper and God read it.

'Well, it may be true that my invention is flawed,' God said to Arthur , 'but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than yours'.
:lol: :lol:
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One last bit of humor for the day. If you have ever waked into a room and forgotten why you went there, or forgot your keys and if you are, "ahem" beginning to reach a certain age then this song is for you.

Ode to Forgetfulness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSliucgygc

Randy :lol:
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Randyman wrote:One last bit of humor for the day. If you have ever waked into a room and forgotten why you went there, or forgot your keys and if you are, "ahem" beginning to reach a certain age then this song is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSliucgygc

Randy :lol:
Been there, done that, I think!
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:One last bit of humor for the day. If you have ever waked into a room and forgotten why you went there, or forgot your keys and if you are, "ahem" beginning to reach a certain age then this song is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSliucgygc

Randy :lol:
Been there, done that, I think!
I can't remember what we were talking about???
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Wrestling and Johnnie Flores

Johnnie Flores had to go the Olympic on a Wednesday nite (wrestling nite at the Olympic) to pick up some tickets for Thursdays nite fights, well Johnnie Flores couldn't be seen at the wrestling show, so what does he do?, he disguise himself as an old, old man.... :lol:
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:One last bit of humor for the day. If you have ever waked into a room and forgotten why you went there, or forgot your keys and if you are, "ahem" beginning to reach a certain age then this song is for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lSliucgygc

Randy :lol:
Been there, done that, I think!
I can't remember what we were talking about???
What Pepe?...
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Hi good morning everyone I hope this joke doesnt offend anyone a Jewish man told me this one the other day,Sammy Davis gets on a bus in Alabama in the 1950s he goes to sit up front and the bus driver says sir you will have to get to the back of the bus, Sammy replied I am not black im Jewish the bus driver replied in that case get off the bus.
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Hi good morning everyone I hope this joke doesnt offend anyone a Jewish man told me this one the other day,Sammy Davis gets on a bus in Alabama in the 1950s he goes to sit up front and the bus driver says sir you will have to get to the back of the bus, Sammy replied I am not black im Jewish the bus driver replied in that case get off the bus.
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kikibalt wrote:That photo of Montoya, King and Meza, I shot in 1982 in N.Y.C, King flew us (My Kids and I) to N.Y as he was trying sign my boys to a contract.
from Don King contract = may I please stick my hand in your pocket lol
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Roger...No call from Jr. R's daughter?
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Randyman wrote:
bennie wrote:Muhammad Ali is 68 on Sunday. Here he is dismantling Jean-Pierre Coopman of Belgium in five rounds in February 1976 - just four months after the third Frazier killer. Is it really any surprise that Ali lost his health?

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I remember this fight. The "Thrilla in Manilla" took everything out of Ali, and Joe Frazier too, Ali never had another meaningful fight again unless you count the second Ali-Spinks fight as meaningful. Looking at this photo you can see that this fight and Ali's condition was the beginning of the end.

Randy
I was over in Belgium once, to watch a British fighter, and Coopman was at the show, looking quite dapper in cowboy boots and jacket. He looked small for an ex-heavyweight but clearly enjoyed hero-like status in little Belgium, even though he was a terrible fighter. The night before the Ali fight, a sportswriter asked Coopman's American agent, George Kanter, if his man had a chance. "Are you crazy?" said Kanter.
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scartissue wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Lou Thesz
4-24-16---4-24-2002

Wrestling career

Born in Banat, Michigan, Thesz moved to St. Louis when he was a young boy. His working-class immigrant parents hailed from the former Austro-Hungarian Empire. Beginning in Thesz's early youth, his father personally gave him a tough and thorough education in Greco-Roman wrestling, which provided the fundamentals for his later success. While in high school he was a successful freestyle wrestling competitor on his school team; as he recalled many years later, he and a friend once "worked" a dramatic match against each other at a tournament, and were amused when nobody could see how much they were faking. As a teenager, he also trained in amateur wrestling with legendary hooker Ad Santel. Thesz made his professional wrestling debut in 1932, at the age of 16. He soon met Ed "Strangler" Lewis, the biggest wrestling star of the 1920s, who taught a young Lou the art of "hooking" (the ability to stretch your opponent with painful holds). The two formed a lasting friendship. By 1937, Thesz had become one of the biggest stars in the St. Louis territory, and on December 29 he defeated Everett Marshall for the National Wrestling Association World Heavyweight Title, the first of many World Heavyweight Championships. Thesz became the youngest World Heavyweight Champion in history, at the age of 21, a record which stands to this day. Thesz dropped the title to Steve "Crusher" Casey in Boston six weeks later. He won the title again in 1939, once again defeating Marshall, and again in 1948, defeating Bill Longson.

In 1948, the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) was formed, the purpose being to create one World Champion for all the various wrestling territories throughout North America. Orville Brown, the reigning Midwest World Heavyweight Title holder, was named the first champion. Thesz, at the time, was head of a promotional combine that included fellow wrestling champions Longson, Bobby Managoff, Canadian promoter Frank Tunney and Eddie Quinn, who promoted in the St. Louis territory where NWA promoter Sam Muchnick was running opposition. Quinn and Muchnick ended their promotional war, and Thesz' promotion was absorbed into the NWA. Part of the deal was a title unification match between Brown and Thesz, who held the National Wrestling Association's World Title. Unfortunately, just weeks before the scheduled bout, Brown was involved in an automobile accident that ended his career. He was forced to vacate the championship and the NWA awarded the title to the #1 contender, Thesz. Thesz was chosen for his skill as a "hooker" to prevent double crosses by would-be shooters who would deviate from the planned finish for personal glory.Another "hooker" that was named by Thesz was Jerry Stephens, (also known as "Nazi," or "El Grande Pistolero" (Spanish for "the great gunman").

Between 1949 and 1956, Thesz set out to unify all the existing World Titles into the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. In 1952 he defeated Baron Michele Leone in Los Angeles for the California World Heavyweight title and became the first undisputed World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion since the days of Frank Gotch and Georg Hackenschmidt. Thesz finally dropped the Title to Whipper Billy Watson in 1956, and took several months off to recuperate from an ankle injury. He regained the title from Watson seven months later.

1957 was an important year for Thesz; on June 14, the first taint to Thesz' claim of undisputed Champion occurred in a match with gymnast-turned-wrestling star, Edouard Carpentier. The match was tied at two falls apiece when Thesz claimed a back injury and forfeit the last fall. Carpentier was declared the winner, but the NWA chose not to recognize the title change, deciding a championship could not change hands due to injury. Despite the NWA's decision, there were some promotions who continued to recognize Carpentier's claim to the World Heavyweight title. That same year, Thesz became the first wrestler to defend the NWA World Heavyweight Championship in Japan, wrestling Rikidōzan in a series of 60 minute draws. Their bouts popularized pro wrestling in Japan, gaining the sport mainstream acceptance. Realizing he could make more money in the land of the rising sun, Thesz petitioned to the NWA promoters to regularly defend the belt in Japan. His request was turned down, and Thesz asked to drop the title to his own hand picked champion, Dick Hutton, rather than Thesz's real-life rival and the more popular choice, Buddy Rogers. Thesz would embark on a tour of Europe and Japan, billing himself as the NWA International Champion; this title is still recognized as a part of All Japan Pro Wrestling's Triple Crown Championship.

In 1963, Thesz came out of semi-retirement to win his sixth World Heavyweight Championship from Buddy Rogers, at the age of 46. Legend has it that Rogers was having second thoughts about dropping the title, and Thesz responded by saying, "we could do this the easy way or the hard way" . He would hold the title until 1966 when, at the age of 49, he was dethroned by Gene Kiniski.

Thesz wrestled on a part-time basis over the next 13 years, winning his last major Title in 1978, in Mexico, becoming the inaugural Universal Wrestling Alliance Heavyweight Champion at the age of 62, before dropping the championship to El Canek a year later. Thesz officially retired in 1979, after a match with Luke Graham. He remained retired for the most part, before wrestling his last match on December 26, 1990 in Hamamatsu, Japan at the age of 74, against his protegé, Masahiro Chono.

Thanks, Frank. I must have something wrong regarding the Lou Thesz story. Unless it happened prior to his death?
Rick, I believe that was Vern Gagne you may be thinking of. Very, very similar to Thesz, in that, they weren't into the flash as much as real wrestling holds and such. As a matter of fact I think they looked very much alike too. I recall the story as well. Gagne in the nursing home, whatever age he is and sent another resident flying across the room killing him. The Gagne family were very guarded about the situation and quietly removed the still very dangerous ex-champ from the facility. I believe the Gagne family is worth a fortune due to Vern being one of the co-founders and creators of the WWF.

Scartissue

Thanks Scar! Yes, it was Verne Gagne. I was going crazy trying to remember the name.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

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kikibalt wrote:Wrestling and Johnnie Flores

Johnnie Flores had to go the Olympic on a Wednesday nite (wrestling nite at the Olympic) to pick up some tickets for Thursdays nite fights, well Johnnie Flores couldn't be seen at the wrestling show, so what does he do?, he disguise himself as an old, old man.... :lol:

:lol: That must have been some disguise. I never saw Johnny Flores when he looked old.
He died at 78, and looked the same as he did when we met, nearly thirty years earlier.
If Johnny were alive today, he'd be 93, and likely look the same.

Johnny's grand daughter, Arron, has a copy of Johnny's memoirs, which he was writing at the time of his death.
She has offered to allow me to read it, and I look forward to doing just that.
I have always wanted to write of Johnny Flores, but his story is very big, and so I'll shall do so when I have a little more information. His WW2 stories are true classics, not a bunch of exaggerations as so many "war stories".


-Rick Farris
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