Classic American West Coast Boxing

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THEHAMMER321 wrote:I am glad I found my way on to this thread because on the boxers of the past forum these guys come up with some ridiculous claims such as is Rafael Marquez better than Ruben Olivares I mean these guys are smoking some good stuff lol
What's worse is when they cop this condenscending attitude and try to make you feel stupid.They always have to have the last word. If you go back and forth with them long enough they'll start saying you're gay. :lol:
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dagosd2000 wrote:NO HAPPY ENDING

If you read this story you might understand why I put this title to it. If not,then either you're a clean liver or you just haven't surfed the web enough for exotic web sites.

Yesterday morning I woke up with a terrible back ache. A pain in my shoulder blade that went up into my neck. I did some stretching,but I must have hurt it in the gym or while I was asleep. I know Kaiser ain't going to admit me and their emergency room would turn me down for just a back ache,so I decided to try out one of those accupressure massage parlors. I figure I got a legit excuse.

There's a slew of these Oriental parlors in San Diego. Not that many in LA. I don't know if it's because of the servicemen down here or what,but San Diego has always had a lot of them.They're all these Asian joints, and take this to the bank,all these gals live in Korea Town in LA. They drive down to San Diego then go back to Korea Town on their days off.

Anyway this gal tells me to lie down on my stomach. I tell her I've got this terrible pain and if she could work it out. The pain was so bad that I had trouble just lying on my stomach. Well the next thing I know she jumps on top of my back and starts walking on it. I'm screaming like someone has stuck a Samurai sword in me. I'm telling her to stop.
"Baby! Please no more! You're hurting me!"
Well maybe she doesn't understand English except for "How much for a happy ending?" because she didn't get off. She's still stomping around up there and I almost passed out. Finally I turned over and threw her off.

Needless to say,I woke up this morning with a welt the size of an orange on my back. I went to Kaiser emergency and told the receptionist what had happened with Miss Happy Feet. Everyone in the emergency room was in stitches(bad pun).The doc told me that she inflamed a bursa and for me to take some Ibupropen. In two to three weeks the swelling will go down.

Funny thing,the doc at Kaiser was an Asian.
"I know about those treatments,"he said. "I stay away from them."
You can bet he knows there's no happy ending in those parlors,unless you don't have a sore back. :lol:
Maybe a hand job might have done wonders
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kikibalt wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Having albondigas and home made tortillas tonite, perfect for this weather/rain we're having... :TU:
speaking of homemade Mexican food reminds me of a funny story a lady from across the street from us when I was a kid came over my house she was from new Mexico and she brought over some salsa and chips,I see the chips they are different colors I say did you put food coloring on those to make them red and blue and purple she said no I thought she was lying I had never seen chips like that,years later I started seeing them when I went to different Mexican restaurants
I never seen'em Hammer.... :(

Those chips are like the blue,red,and purple tortillas. They are made from Indian corn. I have a picture of blue tortillas I took in Mexico. I'll post it
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dagosd2000 wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:I am glad I found my way on to this thread because on the boxers of the past forum these guys come up with some ridiculous claims such as is Rafael Marquez better than Ruben Olivares I mean these guys are smoking some good stuff lol
What's worse is when they cop this condenscending attitude and try to make you feel stupid.They always have to have the last word. If you go back and forth with them long enough they'll start saying you're gay. :lol:
Gay??..Who??
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
THEHAMMER321 wrote:I am glad I found my way on to this thread because on the boxers of the past forum these guys come up with some ridiculous claims such as is Rafael Marquez better than Ruben Olivares I mean these guys are smoking some good stuff lol
What's worse is when they cop this condenscending attitude and try to make you feel stupid.They always have to have the last word. If you go back and forth with them long enough they'll start saying you're gay. :lol:
Gay??..Who??
Granberry doesn't mind calling anyone gay who won't take his side in an argument.
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The rain is comin' down, my backyard is flooded... :roll: ....but the rain is beautiful... :TU:
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Blue tortillas made with Indian corn. Jiquilpan,Mexico
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dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Blue tortillas made with Indian corn. Jiquilpan,Mexico
"Wow" never seen those kind of tortillas.... :oo
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Blue tortillas made with Indian corn. Jiquilpan,Mexico
"Wow" never seen those kind of tortillas.... :oo
Frank
Michoacan is like the capital of the carnitas world. The town of Uruapan which is in Michoacan makes the best carnitas. It worth the drive from where I'm at just to go there and eat carnitas. They are always served with blue tortillas.
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Blue tortillas made with Indian corn. Jiquilpan,Mexico
"Wow" never seen those kind of tortillas.... :oo
There was a Mexican restaurant in Oklahoma City that served food with blue tortillas. Good stuff. Unfortunately, I think that place is closed now.
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Now I'm thiinking it wasn't in OKC, but at a resturant in Texas or New Mexico/Arizona I used to frequent when I was on the road. But, where ever they were served, they sure were good.
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raylawpc wrote:Now I'm thiinking it wasn't in OKC, but at a resturant in Texas or New Mexico/Arizona I used to frequent when I was on the road. But, where ever they were served, they sure were good.

Tom
Whenever you come to San Diego,you're invited for real authentic Mexican eats at my house. Same holds true for the rest of the posters on this thread :TU:
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: What's worse is when they cop this condenscending attitude and try to make you feel stupid.They always have to have the last word. If you go back and forth with them long enough they'll start saying you're gay. :lol:
Gay??..Who??
Granberry doesn't mind calling anyone gay who won't take his side in an argument.
Granberry has deep sexual issues, as in he never gets any! :lol:
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raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Blue tortillas made with Indian corn. Jiquilpan,Mexico
"Wow" never seen those kind of tortillas.... :oo
There was a Mexican restaurant in Oklahoma City that served food with blue tortillas. Good stuff. Unfortunately, I think that place is closed now.

El Cholo's in L.A. serves blue corn tortillas during certain months of the year. I love them!
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Ralph "Tiger" Jones

Like when Bonavena fought Ali,when Jones fought Robinson,we knew those great fighters would never be the same :box:
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Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote: Gay??..Who??
Granberry doesn't mind calling anyone gay who won't take his side in an argument.
Granberry has deep sexual issues, as in he never gets any! :lol:

Rick
I'm sorry I mentioned his name. I wouldn't want him around again. Once in a while I'll look at another thread. Especially if he's on it,the insults those guys call each other is pathetic. Sometimes I think some posters are afraid of him. They don't want him to attack them so they kiss his ass. :lol: The best way to deal with guys like that is not to respond. They'll go away because no one will talk to them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfl5BvMtegs

Ray Robinson vs. Ralph Tiger Jones(excuse the commentary)SO SOLLY :lol:
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Rick I discovered yesterday on here where it says location and you type in the venue I saw you fight on a fantastic fight card featuring Armando Muniz,Frankie Crawford,Mando Ramos vs Raul Rojas ,I always just typed in a fighters name and looked up 1 fighter at a time now I can look up the whole fight card pretty nice :TU:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:Rick I discovered yesterday on here where it says location and you type in the venue I saw you fight on a fantastic fight card featuring Armando Muniz,Frankie Crawford,Mando Ramos vs Raul Rojas ,I always just typed in a fighters name and looked up 1 fighter at a time now I can look up the whole fight card pretty nice :TU:

Hammer . . . that was a big event at the Olympic.
In the main, you had Mando Ramos vs. his former stablemate, Raul Rojas. It was a legitimate "grudge match".
Of course, Frankie Crawford was in the TV main event. He flattened Jose Luis Martinez with a left hook thrown a couple seconds after the final bell.
They gave it to Crawford via a unanimous decision, but he KOed the guy with a late blow.
Armando Muniz just kept winning with another KO, and I got a win, as well.

The Olympic was packed that thursday. Nobody could fill the place like Mando Ramos.
When I stepped into the ring that night I looked down to the ringside seats and saw Bill Cosby, Ryan O'Neal, Connie Stevens, Edie Williams, Mickey Cohen, Chuck Conners, Robert Goulet.
Mando really brought out the stars.

Mando Ramos boxed beautifully that night. In the sixth, he leveled Rojas with a picture-perfect left hook.
One big shot and it was all over. I've got some photos of the weigh-in somewhere.

My greatest moments in boxing were being a part of something big. I wasn't a headliner, but I was up close & personal with guys that were the best in boxing at the time. Today, I am so glad for having a place to relive that brilliant era, with guys like yourself who know it and understand it.

It's my goal to write of this era, to make sure these legends are not forgotten, and are remembered properly.
They need no exaggeration, no stretching of the truth, no rose colored glasses. Seeing them just as they were was something incredible.

When the Olympic was packed, and the stars were out, there was a magic energy that electrified the crowd. There were the bright TV lights illuminating the powder blue ring canvas, and you would not be treated to just one special fight, but to several world class barn burners.

The guys here who fought will all tell you what the energy of such a crowd can do to inspire ones personal power.
The prelim boys, like myself, would fight beyond themselves, like main eventers. It raises the bar, in a sense.

Speaking of Mando Ramos, I spent a lot of time with him in recent years. I have posted stories he told me, relating to his fight with Rojas. I have shared this story before, but I am motivated to repeat it here because you would enjoy the behind-the-scenes drama that played out between Ramos & Rojas in the weeks before the match. I'll share it with you in my next post, the others who've seen it can skip over it.


-Rick Farris
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dagosd2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Now I'm thiinking it wasn't in OKC, but at a resturant in Texas or New Mexico/Arizona I used to frequent when I was on the road. But, where ever they were served, they sure were good.

Tom
Whenever you come to San Diego,you're invited for real authentic Mexican eats at my house. Same holds true for the rest of the posters on this thread :TU:
Be prepared for me to take you up on that invite someday because I LOVE Mexican food (and I'd enjoy spending time with you and your wife, too).

The only problem with Mexican food is that sometimes I love it more than it loves me, if you know what I mean.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Granberry doesn't mind calling anyone gay who won't take his side in an argument.
Granberry has deep sexual issues, as in he never gets any! :lol:

Rick
I'm sorry I mentioned his name. I wouldn't want him around again. Once in a while I'll look at another thread. Especially if he's on it,the insults those guys call each other is pathetic. Sometimes I think some posters are afraid of him. They don't want him to attack them so they kiss his ass. :lol: The best way to deal with guys like that is not to respond. They'll go away because no one will talk to them.
The ignore function is a wonderful thing. I have him and a couple of other ninnies on ignore.
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Rodolfo Gonzalez vs. Ruben Navarro-I
July 31,1972 - Anaheim Convention Center

"El Gato" vs. "The Maravilla Kid". This was an important bout between two top lightweight contenders.
WBA Champ Roberto Duran had been offered $75,000. to fight the winner in a title defense.

In a very close match, both fighters were cut, with Gonzalez keeping Navarro on the ropes much of the fight. In the end, Gonzalez was awarded a majority decision by the officials who scored the bout as follows: Chuck Hassett 4-4, John Thomas 5-4, Rudy Jordan, 4-3.

The title match with Duran never materialized for Gonzalez, who's stablemate Mando Ramos would lose the WBC title to Chango Carmona shortly afterwards. Ramos had been beaten badly and KOed by Carmona, who offered Gonzalez a shot at the WBC crown in his first title defense. Four months after edging Navarro, Rodolfo Gonzalez destroyed Carmona in twelve rounds to win the WBC crown. Like a true champion, Gonzalez agreed to defend his title against the deserving Navarro.

Eight months after the contest pictured above, El Gato and The Maravilla kid would meet again, only this time with a world title on the line. Ruben had won three straight after losing to Gonzalez, but at the Los Angeles Sports Arena on March 17, 1973, El Gato would dominate the Maravilla Kid.


Here is the Boxrec account of the Gonzalez-Navarro WBC Lightweight title bout:

Location: Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA
Referee: George Latka

"In the first two rounds Ruben peppered the jab but Gonzalez casually slipped the weapon with bob and weave tactics and then rocked Navarro back on his heels with jolting left hook counters. By the 3rd round Gonzalez was beginning to catch the challenger on the ropes with solid combinations, which immediately caused an ugly mouse to form beneath his right eye. Aggressive but never awkward, Gonzalez managed to connect constantly with punches ranging from hooks to right uppercuts, while Ruben could land nothing in return. At last conceding that the jab was not the proper strategy, Navarro, 133, decided to try and club his foe in close. That wasn't the answer either. Strong as an ox, Rodolfo, 135, out-muscled Navarro with few difficulties and seemed almost bored in the process. But, although his eye was closed and his lips were caked with blood, the scrappy Navarro refused to give up until Referee George Latka took matters into his own hands at 2:33 of the 9th round." -International Boxing, August 1973 issue

Post fight comments

"I worked my ass off for this fight, but I just couldn't do anything. I don't know what the hell went wrong. He didn't hurt me but he humiliated me. He's 1000 percent improved since he won the title and I don't see anyone beating him for a few years." -Ruben Navarro
"I felt I was on top all the way. Actually I was pacing myself for the full route, but as it turned out, I got to go home early." -Rodolfo Gonzalez
Attendance: 16,146 Gate: $192,755


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kikibalt wrote:(Photo courtesy of Theo Ehret)

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Rodolfo Gonzalez vs. Ruben Navarro-I
July 31,1972 - Anaheim Convention Center

"El Gato" vs. "The Maravilla Kid". This was an important bout between two top lightweight contenders.
WBA Champ Roberto Duran had been offered $75,000. to fight the winner in a title defense.

In a very close match, both fighters were cut, with Gonzalez keeping Navarro on the ropes much of the fight. In the end, Gonzalez was awarded a majority decision by the officials who scored the bout as follows: Chuck Hassett 4-4, John Thomas 5-4, Rudy Jordan, 4-3.

The title match with Duran never materialized for Gonzalez, who's stablemate Mando Ramos would lose the WBC title to Chango Carmona shortly afterwards. Ramos had been beaten badly and KOed by Carmona, who offered Gonzalez a shot at the WBC crown in his first title defense. Four months after edging Navarro, Rodolfo Gonzalez destroyed Carmona in twelve rounds to win the WBC crown. Like a true champion, Gonzalez agreed to defend his title against the deserving Navarro.

Eight months after the contest pictured above, El Gato and The Maravilla kid would meet again, only this time with a world title on the line. Ruben had won three straight after losing to Gonzalez, but at the Los Angeles Sports Arena on March 17, 1973, El Gato would dominate the Maravilla Kid.


Here is the Boxrec account of the Gonzalez-Navarro WBC Lightweight title bout:

Location: Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA
Referee: George Latka

"In the first two rounds Ruben peppered the jab but Gonzalez casually slipped the weapon with bob and weave tactics and then rocked Navarro back on his heels with jolting left hook counters. By the 3rd round Gonzalez was beginning to catch the challenger on the ropes with solid combinations, which immediately caused an ugly mouse to form beneath his right eye. Aggressive but never awkward, Gonzalez managed to connect constantly with punches ranging from hooks to right uppercuts, while Ruben could land nothing in return. At last conceding that the jab was not the proper strategy, Navarro, 133, decided to try and club his foe in close. That wasn't the answer either. Strong as an ox, Rodolfo, 135, out-muscled Navarro with few difficulties and seemed almost bored in the process. But, although his eye was closed and his lips were caked with blood, the scrappy Navarro refused to give up until Referee George Latka took matters into his own hands at 2:33 of the 9th round." -International Boxing, August 1973 issue

Post fight comments

"I worked my ass off for this fight, but I just couldn't do anything. I don't know what the hell went wrong. He didn't hurt me but he humiliated me. He's 1000 percent improved since he won the title and I don't see anyone beating him for a few years." -Ruben Navarro
"I felt I was on top all the way. Actually I was pacing myself for the full route, but as it turned out, I got to go home early." -Rodolfo Gonzalez
Attendance: 16,146 Gate: $192,755


-Rick Farris
Unfortunately I never got to see the great fights at the Olympic but an old timer told me that the big fights would be when a Mexican national would fight a Chicano
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raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Now I'm thiinking it wasn't in OKC, but at a resturant in Texas or New Mexico/Arizona I used to frequent when I was on the road. But, where ever they were served, they sure were good.

Tom
Whenever you come to San Diego,you're invited for real authentic Mexican eats at my house. Same holds true for the rest of the posters on this thread :TU:
Be prepared for me to take you up on that invite someday because I LOVE Mexican food (and I'd enjoy spending time with you and your wife, too).

The only problem with Mexican food is that sometimes I love it more than it loves me, if you know what I mean.

Tom
We can manage that either the Mexican way with a couple of tablets what they call "Sal De Uvas" or the Italian remedy,"Brioschi." :TU:
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THEHAMMER321 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:(Photo courtesy of Theo Ehret)

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Rodolfo Gonzalez vs. Ruben Navarro-I
July 31,1972 - Anaheim Convention Center

"El Gato" vs. "The Maravilla Kid". This was an important bout between two top lightweight contenders.
WBA Champ Roberto Duran had been offered $75,000. to fight the winner in a title defense.

In a very close match, both fighters were cut, with Gonzalez keeping Navarro on the ropes much of the fight. In the end, Gonzalez was awarded a majority decision by the officials who scored the bout as follows: Chuck Hassett 4-4, John Thomas 5-4, Rudy Jordan, 4-3.

The title match with Duran never materialized for Gonzalez, who's stablemate Mando Ramos would lose the WBC title to Chango Carmona shortly afterwards. Ramos had been beaten badly and KOed by Carmona, who offered Gonzalez a shot at the WBC crown in his first title defense. Four months after edging Navarro, Rodolfo Gonzalez destroyed Carmona in twelve rounds to win the WBC crown. Like a true champion, Gonzalez agreed to defend his title against the deserving Navarro.

Eight months after the contest pictured above, El Gato and The Maravilla kid would meet again, only this time with a world title on the line. Ruben had won three straight after losing to Gonzalez, but at the Los Angeles Sports Arena on March 17, 1973, El Gato would dominate the Maravilla Kid.


Here is the Boxrec account of the Gonzalez-Navarro WBC Lightweight title bout:

Location: Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA
Referee: George Latka

"In the first two rounds Ruben peppered the jab but Gonzalez casually slipped the weapon with bob and weave tactics and then rocked Navarro back on his heels with jolting left hook counters. By the 3rd round Gonzalez was beginning to catch the challenger on the ropes with solid combinations, which immediately caused an ugly mouse to form beneath his right eye. Aggressive but never awkward, Gonzalez managed to connect constantly with punches ranging from hooks to right uppercuts, while Ruben could land nothing in return. At last conceding that the jab was not the proper strategy, Navarro, 133, decided to try and club his foe in close. That wasn't the answer either. Strong as an ox, Rodolfo, 135, out-muscled Navarro with few difficulties and seemed almost bored in the process. But, although his eye was closed and his lips were caked with blood, the scrappy Navarro refused to give up until Referee George Latka took matters into his own hands at 2:33 of the 9th round." -International Boxing, August 1973 issue

Post fight comments

"I worked my ass off for this fight, but I just couldn't do anything. I don't know what the hell went wrong. He didn't hurt me but he humiliated me. He's 1000 percent improved since he won the title and I don't see anyone beating him for a few years." -Ruben Navarro
"I felt I was on top all the way. Actually I was pacing myself for the full route, but as it turned out, I got to go home early." -Rodolfo Gonzalez
Attendance: 16,146 Gate: $192,755


-Rick Farris
Unfortunately I never got to see the great fights at the Olympic but an old timer told me that the big fights would be when a Mexican national would fight a Chicano

Yep. Those were the classic battles. Chacon vs. Olivares. Mando Ramos vs. Carmona. Some of those fights were so big they put them in Dodger Stadium or the Forum.
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