Don't forget Khan on TV tonight!!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 06 Feb 2005, 12:52

I just remembered myself, Amir Khan is on Superstars BBC1 5.35pm.

Is'nt liitle Amir going up against some hulking great Rugby players and rowers etc?

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:05

He's lightweight boxer against these guys. Not going to do well. John Conteh was lightheavy, one of the reasons he done so well.

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:17

so far he has won the running but ballsed up slightly in the squat thrusts.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:21

He should have done well on the dips as he has a low body weight, but at 18 he's not going to have the same upper body strength as these other guys.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:30

From the BBC

Olympic silver medallist Amir Khan makes his debut in the senior Amateur Boxing Association Championships at Preston's Guild Hall on Monday. Khan, 18, has outgrown the lightweight division and will compete in the light welterweight category.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:31

Yeh I don't know what they were expecting him to do, Boxers are among the fittest of all sports people however he was not going to be any where near as strong as the others at only 18. Would have thought he would do better on the gym stage mind.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:41

least he did better than ricky hatton

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:45

lol, what was Rickys score? Was it the fat Carribean holiday version?

Also lightwelter now. No more Kindelan maybe.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Feb 2005, 14:49

josh fg wrote:Yeh I don't know what they were expecting him to do, Boxers are among the fittest of all sports people however he was not going to be any where near as strong as the others at only 18. Would have thought he would do better on the gym stage mind.

I think in terms of overall fitness, boxers are generally way down on the list. Wayne McCulloch has always been known for being very fit as a fighter, but didn't do that well. Perhaps the type of fitness required for fighting isn't that suited to those disciplines, Barry McGuigan did pretty well though. I cannot think of too many boxers who have done that well, but I have noticed that they always seem to choose boxers from the lighter weights. I remember when they had Mosley on the American one, he was shit, he was just so much smaller than all the other competitors.

either that or boxing training isn't as advanced as some others, I'm sure there are many ways in which the traditional training methods have now been superceded by the type of training employed in other major sports.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 06 Feb 2005, 15:02

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
josh fg wrote:Yeh I don't know what they were expecting him to do, Boxers are among the fittest of all sports people however he was not going to be any where near as strong as the others at only 18. Would have thought he would do better on the gym stage mind.
I think in terms of overall fitness, boxers are generally way down on the list. Wayne McCulloch has always been known for being very fit as a fighter, but didn't do that well. Perhaps the type of fitness required for fighting isn't that suited to those disciplines, Barry McGuigan did pretty well though. I cannot think of too many boxers who have done that well, but I have noticed that they always seem to choose boxers from the lighter weights. I remember when they had Mosley on the American one, he was shit, he was just so much smaller than all the other competitors.

either that or boxing training isn't as advanced as some others, I'm sure there are many ways in which the traditional training methods have now been superceded by the type of training employed in other major sports.

Boxing is a skill sport. McCullough may have been twice as fit as Naz but didn't come close to beating him because of the difference in class. Imo one of the reasons why the best from the 40s and 50s would stand up well today. The "training is so much more advanced today" excuse doesn't hold water with me. Its about the skills.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Feb 2005, 15:06

oh I totally agree. I think there is a big difference between general fitness and 'fight fitness.' Guys like Archie Moore would have stood most modern b level fighters on their fornicating ass.

I also think that boxing training methods haven't changed a whole lot at least from what little I've seen first hand, but that the fighter back in the day had to stay in shape because they never knew when they might fight next. Now fighters can arse around, and go party for two months because fights are set far in advance if you're world class.

that's why Hopkins seems such a phenomenon today, because the idea that a guy walks around at his fighting weight all the time seems revolutionary. It used to be how many fighters lived.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 Feb 2005, 15:19

Boxing is more about technique than sheer athletic ability, This series is also focusing alot on the explosive power events, like Sprinting and shot putting - the boxers selected proably wouldn't do so good in these because they should be focusing their training on explosive power in the legs and they are to small to do the shot well.

Thats why the cyclists seem to be generally doing okay, their technique in the sprinting is shite but they have that raw power, their frame means a good performance in the Shot and also their leg power helps alot in the swimming - so that is three events they should be strong in.

Obviously the athletic guys have an unfair advantages as they are usually allowed to enter either the Sprint or 800 metres (guareenteed maximum points). Also will be quick around the football pitch (high scoring) and also have ALL probably had a few training sessions in the shot. I would reckon the Thomas and Regis have both had hard sessions in that discipline in the past just to see if they could make it as a decathalete.

Khan was the first boxer since it has been back on air to do well in the running, this has surprised me because I really would expect the boxers to do well in the gym and the middle distance run - Having said that, McCullough was fecked by that event and I think McGuigan was very tactically naive.

John Conteh won the whole thing during the first run of the show, and I think Alan Minter also done well in it.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 06 Feb 2005, 15:41

I have read somewhere that boxing gives one of the best forms of indurance fitness. When you look at Danny Williams's transfer of his fitness to that charity rowing event. I certainly found boxing training a lot more difficult than rugby training. On the other hand I don't know if there is the same difference between top level and bottom level boxing training as their is for lower level training.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 06 Feb 2005, 15:51

Cross Country Skiers and Long distance cyclists generally score the highest in VO2 max tests. This is the really is the ultimate test for endurance - basically you exercise to exhaustion and every two minutes while running the scientist will measure your breath for oxygen / carbon dioxide levels.

These two types of athletes score the highest in the oxygen department and have the best Oxygen/Carbon Dioxide levels.

To you know what Miguel Endurian rest heart rate was - my Welsh international athlete friend scored the lowest in our University class at 52.... Endurian's = 27 beats per minute. That is a sign of fitness.