Warren speaks on Khan split in his sun column

[stujones]

I don't think I will be really able to make the rant I want to make on the said article as it will probably mean the end of this thread. All I will say is that it fails to mention that the Salita fight was "in association with Khan promotions", team Khan publically stated they were already essentially "free agents" long before the Salita fight.... and it was discussed on this forum by boxing FANS even before the Kotelnik fight that Kotelnik is his "last" fight under his current deal, and BEFORE the Salita fight that he will be fighting in the states with or without his British promoter.

Yet the article gives the impression that this is all been a massive body blow and come totally out of the blue - for someone in the promoting business for since before I was born and has these contracts on his desk.

[DG.]

Guys,

Not stating for one minute to feel sorry for Frank W arren - I certainly dont - but because of our opinions concerning W arren we are letting that cloud our judgement concerning whether what Amir Khan done to W arren was correct or not.

2 wrongs do not make a right.

Khan has done nothing wrong.

IF YOU WERE IN A JOB WHERE TODAY COULD BE YOUR LAST PAYDAY WOULD YOU LOOK TO MAXIMISE YOUR TIME AND PAY ETC?

ONE PUNCH RUINS LIVES.


FWANK CAN SIT IN HIS ROLLS ROYCE SAFE IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT HE CAN PROMOTE FOR YEARS TO COME.

BOXERS HAVE A LIMITED WINDOW TO TRY AND SET THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES UP FOR LIFE.

HOW MANY DO IT? 2%?

[doctorboxing]

Cry me a river, fwank, you have made decisions based on buisiness and not loyalty your whole life. You insult boxers that you don't promote in your column every week - you are a bitter old man (with a bloody awful taste in furniture going by the picture).

Amir has to do what is right for his career and what he think will earn him the most money - fwank would have done exactly the same.

[DG.]

Cry me a river, fwank, you have made decisions based on buisiness and not loyalty your whole life. You insult boxers that you don't promote in your column every week - you are a bitter old man (with a bloody awful taste in furniture going by the picture).

[Twinkle Toes]

My heart bleeds for Frank, no really it does..

[dazzer]

i am just gutted we will not get to see khan fight the likes of bradley, maidana and alexander in this country. Once again the yanks get the good fights. khan should have contacted warren to say thanks like khan snr did.

I do agree with warren on the goldenboy matchmaking you will not get it so easy with them khan, the yanks will not pay to see a fight you know the winner of before you go in.

I can see khan back in the uk with warren and without freddie in 2/3 years

[DG.]

I do agree with warren on the goldenboy matchmaking you will not get it so easy with them khan, the yanks will not pay to see a fight you know the winner of before you go in.

That is a good thing!

Why should we pay to see fight5s we knw the winner before you go in!


So Fwanbk is saying HIS FIGHTERS get it easy!

[bennie]

If the rumour-mill is true and Amir Khan is about to dump a major world belt into the bin (shades of Lloyd Honeyghan, although he held two others), where does that leave the prodigious Bolton youngster? Apart from the bleedin' obvious, it leaves him dreaming of bigger things. Khan is planning to drop his WBA belt because he wants to "crack" America, he says - just as his friend Naseem Hamed wanted to crack America several years ago. This perennial British boxing 'need' usually always ends in disaster. We all remember Randolph Turpin, Ken Buchanan, Barry McGuigan...
As for Naz, the gifted, outrageous Sheffield puncher was simply and inexplicably unable to shine in the States. The image of his mouth hanging down in a look of shock and semi-desperation as Kevin Kelley chased him all round a Madison Square Garden ring lingers in the memory and proved Hamed's first taste of America, and it would soon look – and taste – so much worse. We only have to think of his 'fight' with Cesar Soto to know that, a man beaten years earlier by Duke McKenzie. Yes, the Prince overcame Kelly and Soto, and he toppled a goalkeeper by the name of Augie Sanchez in spectacular style – but only after Sanchez had tagged him too many times for comfort. Marco Antonio Barrera, already on his way to training camp in Big Bear Mountain, knew that Naseem's reflexes were going. He was Hamed's next US opponent.
In a stroke of genius by promoter F rank Warren and matchmaker Dean Powell, Barrera was brought over to redeem Khan last year in Manchester, and Andreas Kotelnik, the adept but light-hitting WBA light-welterweight champion, soon followed as a Khan victim. Now a major world champion, trained by Freddie Roach out of a top Los Angeles gym, strong and comfortable at 140 pounds, Khan looked a different animal from the one destroyed in 54 seconds by Colombia’s Breidis Prescott in Manchester in September 2008. He looked ready for another puncher, an Argentine puncher by the name of Marcos Maidana who had been outscored by Kotelnik. Of course, LA rats were now whispering, whispering that Khan had done it all himself, that he could make more money with them, that he didn't need a nobody like Maidana, that he should forsake the big belt.
Oscar De La Hoya, The Golden Boy, all through as a millionaire fighter, knew he could still line his pockets with a dedicated, lightning-fast, brilliant-boxing, 23-year-old like Khan, a new Golden Boy. Then came the announcement: Khan was relocating pemanently to the States with Golden Boy Promotions, contemplating a fight with Paulie Malignaggi, a flashy, talented New Yorker who cannot break an egg, and one with Ricky Hatton, a man who has already pounded Malignaggi but was coldcocked by Manny Pacquiao.
Khan had just broken up a winning team.
Roach remains on board but his glaring absence from the corner on the night Alex Arthur – a man he was training - was violated in five rounds by Michael Gomez in the Autumn of 2003 is impossible to forget. We all know Roach still has bigger fish to fry. We all know that Khan gives away the vital edge of home advantage to almost every fighter he faces in the future. We all know that Khan has yet even to make one appearance in the States.
To me, Maidana in Manchester is looking a far better option.

[DG.]

If the rumour-mill is true and Amir Khan is about to dump a major world belt into the bin (shades of Lloyd Honeyghan, although he held two others), where does that leave the prodigious Bolton youngster? Apart from the bleedin' obvious, it leaves him dreaming of bigger things. Khan is planning to drop his WBA belt because he wants to "crack" America, he says - just as his friend Naseem Hamed wanted to crack America several years ago. This perennial British boxing 'need' usually always ends in disaster. We all remember Randolph Turpin, Ken Buchanan, Barry McGuigan...
As for Naz, the gifted, outrageous Sheffield puncher was simply and inexplicably unable to shine in the States. The image of his mouth hanging down in a look of shock and semi-desperation as Kevin Kelley chased him all round a Madison Square Garden ring lingers in the memory and proved Hamed's first taste of America, and it would soon look – and taste – so much worse. We only have to think of his 'fight' with Cesar Soto to know that, a man beaten years earlier by Duke McKenzie. Yes, the Prince overcame Kelly and Soto, and he toppled a goalkeeper by the name of Augie Sanchez in spectacular style – but only after Sanchez had tagged him too many times for comfort. Marco Antonio Barrera, already on his way to training camp in Big Bear Mountain, knew that Naseem's reflexes were going. He was Hamed's next US opponent.
In a stroke of genius by promoter F rank Warren and matchmaker Dean Powell, Barrera was brought over to redeem Khan last year in Manchester, and Andreas Kotelnik, the adept but light-hitting WBA light-welterweight champion, soon followed as a Khan victim. Now a major world champion, trained by Freddie Roach out of a top Los Angeles gym, strong and comfortable at 140 pounds, Khan looked a different animal from the one destroyed in 54 seconds by Colombia’s Breidis Prescott in Manchester in September 2008. He looked ready for another puncher, an Argentine puncher by the name of Marcos Maidana who had been outscored by Kotelnik. Of course, LA rats were now whispering, whispering that Khan had done it all himself, that he could make more money with them, that he didn't need a nobody like Maidana, that he should forsake the big belt.
Oscar De La Hoya, The Golden Boy, all through as a millionaire fighter, knew he could still line his pockets with a dedicated, lightning-fast, brilliant-boxing 23-year-old like Khan, a new Golden Boy. Then came the announcement: Khan was relocating pemanently to the States with Golden Boy Promotions, contemplating a fight with Paulie Malignaggi, a flashy, talented New Yorker who cannot break an egg, and one with Ricky Hatton, a man who has already pounded Malignaggi but was coldcocked by Manny Pacquiao.
Khan had just broken up a winning team.
Roach remains on board but his glaring absence from the corner on the night Alex Arthur – a man he was training - was violated in five rounds by Michael Gomez in the Autumn of 2003 is impossible to forget. We all know Roach still has bigger fish to fry. We all know that Khan gives away the vital edge of home advantage to almost every fighter he faces in the future. We all know that Khan has yet even to make one appearance in the States.
To me, Maidana in Manchester is looking a far better option.

Email Tris Dixon for a job.

[dazzer]

If the rumour-mill is true and Amir Khan is about to dump a major world belt into the bin (shades of Lloyd Honeyghan, although he held two others), where does that leave the prodigious Bolton youngster? Apart from the bleedin' obvious, it leaves him dreaming of bigger things. Khan is planning to drop his WBA belt because he wants to "crack" America, he says - just as his friend Naseem Hamed wanted to crack America several years ago. This perennial British boxing 'need' usually always ends in disaster. We all remember Randolph Turpin, Ken Buchanan, Barry McGuigan...
As for Naz, the gifted, outrageous Sheffield puncher was simply and inexplicably unable to shine in the States. The image of his mouth hanging down in a look of shock and semi-desperation as Kevin Kelley chased him all round a Madison Square Garden ring lingers in the memory and proved Hamed's first taste of America, and it would soon look – and taste – so much worse. We only have to think of his 'fight' with Cesar Soto to know that, a man beaten years earlier by Duke McKenzie. Yes, the Prince overcame Kelly and Soto, and he toppled a goalkeeper by the name of Augie Sanchez in spectacular style – but only after Sanchez had tagged him too many times for comfort. Marco Antonio Barrera, already on his way to training camp in Big Bear Mountain, knew that Naseem's reflexes were going. He was Hamed's next US opponent.
In a stroke of genius by promoter F rank Warren and matchmaker Dean Powell, Barrera was brought over to redeem Khan last year in Manchester, and Andreas Kotelnik, the adept but light-hitting WBA light-welterweight champion, soon followed as a Khan victim. Now a major world champion, trained by Freddie Roach out of a top Los Angeles gym, strong and comfortable at 140 pounds, Khan looked a different animal from the one destroyed in 54 seconds by Colombia’s Breidis Prescott in Manchester in September 2008. He looked ready for another puncher, an Argentine puncher by the name of Marcos Maidana who had been outscored by Kotelnik. Of course, LA rats were now whispering, whispering that Khan had done it all himself, that he could make more money with them, that he didn't need a nobody like Maidana, that he should forsake the big belt.
Oscar De La Hoya, The Golden Boy, all through as a millionaire fighter, knew he could still line his pockets with a dedicated, lightning-fast, brilliant-boxing 23-year-old like Khan, a new Golden Boy. Then came the announcement: Khan was relocating pemanently to the States with Golden Boy Promotions, contemplating a fight with Paulie Malignaggi, a flashy, talented New Yorker who cannot break an egg, and one with Ricky Hatton, a man who has already pounded Malignaggi but was coldcocked by Manny Pacquiao.
Khan had just broken up a winning team.
Roach remains on board but his glaring absence from the corner on the night Alex Arthur – a man he was training - was violated in five rounds by Michael Gomez in the Autumn of 2003 is impossible to forget. We all know Roach still has bigger fish to fry. We all know that Khan gives away the vital edge of home advantage to almost every fighter he faces in the future. We all know that Khan has yet even to make one appearance in the States.
To me, Maidana in Manchester is looking a far better option.

Email Tris Dixon for a job.

great read

[Counter-puncher]

good points bennie

all i would say is that Khan fighting on 'home' soil may be an over-rated advantage for him. judging by the amount of people cheering and laughing when he got KO'd, and the number who turned up to support Barrera against him, I would say 'home advantage' was always close to being a double-edged sword for Khan

[dazzer]

I do agree with warren on the goldenboy matchmaking you will not get it so easy with them khan, the yanks will not pay to see a fight you know the winner of before you go in.

That is a good thing!

Why should we pay to see fight5s we knw the winner before you go in!


So Fwanbk is saying HIS FIGHTERS get it easy!


yes it is a good thing dg, all khans fights here have been really easy , khan made a mess of the presscott fight what will he do when put in, with world class fighters.

I have been to a few small club fights in the usa and i think the fights there are much better 50/50 fights on the undercards. It seems to me they are matched a lot harder then our young fighters.

[stujones]

I think Amir will have Freddie's full attention now he is basing himself in the states.

My memory is playing tricks, but didn't Freddie miss Khan vs Fagan?

Being based in the states, fighting on the same network that showcases Pacquiao - they will make sure dates will not clash.

Its a simple case of dammed if he does, dammed if he don't. Now we are "complaining" that he could be in for hard fights without the comforts of home - whoever Khan's faces is getting criticised.... Marquez, Malignaggi, Maidana, and Hatton have been the four names most frequently mentioned - all receiving criticisms.

[banjo]

My memory is playing tricks, but didn't Freddie miss Khan vs Fagan?

Yes, but he had Pacquiao v De La Hoya to worry about that night.

[dondada]

Its all swings and roundabouts, no doubt Warren will get over it and make some coin out of his olympians. Not sure what Khan really owes him or he owes Khan. It's not like Warren was working for free...

Totally agree. Warren has always had his cut, so I dont really have any sympathy for him. GBP have better connections, can deliver big fights, against better opponents and for more money - Not really rocket science tbh.

And as for all his 'I tried to make the Bradley, Maidana matches.... ,' heard this type of thing from him before, he will , of course, say that. Whether its actuallly true or how far did he pursue it, is another matter.

Two sides to every story, as always.

Has Joe Calzaghe been paid the £1.8m owed to him by Sports Network? So much for loyalty.

[Rocky Balboa]

I'm not allegedly's biggest fan, but he comes across as honest, if nothing else, in that article. He's is gutted by the split, even more so for the way he was informed that Khan was moving on! Thing is, now he is with GBP, he will have to face a puncher sooner or later! What happens when someone digs him bang on the whiskers? I think he's gone to be honest.

Allegedly has done a great job for Amir, has been a big influence on Khan becoming a millionaire, & he did not want the Prescott fight, so he cannot be blamed for that!

[Rocky Balboa]

Has Joe Calzaghe been paid the £1.8m owed to him by Sports Network? So much for loyalty.

I doubt Joe has received the amount awared to him as it was Sport's Network who owed Joe the money! Sports Networt went into liquidation. As the old saying goes, You cannot get blood out of a stone!

Its a fcuking liberty, but I guess Calzaghe can't do much other than to take further action!

[Spud]

'from a business and law point of view', well what other point of view is there spud? 'morally correct' is a total irrelevance, where business and indeed boxing are concerned, spud.

listen its the typical fan forum hypocrisy. if anyone else was in Khan's shoes themselves I have no doubt they would take the extra £££££ in a heartbeat. it's only armchair pundits and experts who even think in these hackneyed unrealistic terms of 'loyalty'.

as people have already said i am sure, in your own job, if someone else offered you more money you would simply take it and its ludicrous to try and judge Khan or any other boxer by these heightened unrealistic standards.

Counter,

I am enjoying this debate!!!

Whilst your viewpoint is probably of that of the majority - I simply disagree.

Whilst I agree it is always nice to get more money - sometimes just sometimes there are people who whilst they maybe a tadge inconsistent still have principles and when those principles are tested - its good test to see if they stand firm.

Whilst I am talking from an extremely biaised angle I will give you an example - I admit this example is given because I know for certain it to be true - Clinton Woods - on numerous occasions Clinton was offered more money to look elsewhere - he did not go anywhere.

Another example - Carl Froch - unless Mick Hennessy quits boxing - whilst you should "never say never" - I would be truly stunned if Froch ever left Hennessy's control - there are also numerous other examples where the pound has not tempted boxers from their loyalties.

I do however acknowledge your point that the majority would go towards the ££££££££££ - I find it rather sad - if the ££££ is taken and loyalty is the price.

[Spud]

Has Joe Calzaghe been paid the £1.8m owed to him by Sports Network? So much for loyalty.

Smoggy!!!

Yes you too bring out a very valid point but also quite a sly one!!!

Let me explain ...

You know I found it utterly disgusting how a firm can go bust to avoid a court ruling - indeed we both spoke about it.

However - the other side of that argument is that Joe Calzaghe was paid more than handsomely for what can only be described as p*ss poor defences - he had numerous opportunities to demand BIGGER fights but continually seemed satisfied with the opponents that were being put in front of him.

I will state again I think Joe Calzaghe should be paid his money - but to use him as an example of LOYALTY is a weak argument - and that is down to the incredible sums of money he was paid to what in my opinion were weak opponents.

[DG.]

However - the other side of that argument is that Joe Calzaghe was paid more than handsomely for what can only be described as p*ss poor defences - he had numerous opportunities to demand BIGGER fights but continually seemed satisfied with the opponents that were being put in front of him.

Have you been dropped on your head?

[stujones]

My memory is playing tricks, but didn't Freddie miss Khan vs Fagan?

Yes, but he had Pacquiao v De La Hoya to worry about that night.

Exactly, now that will not happen again - even though Pac is with a different promoter it is the same TV company.

[stujones]

Thats actually a quite interesting sub plot. Warren spoke candidly of Roach's involvement in this decision. Why would Roach persuade Khan to join a promotional company who have recently branded his most famous, and best, fighter a drugs cheat.

[hitman_hatton1]

Warren seems more hated than anyone else connected to British boxing (well maybe not Audley) but here he seems genuinely upset and i for one for a feel a bit sorry for the bloke as he did an amazing job turning Khan's career around after the Presscot defeat.

i'll never feel sorry for him.

not after that nonsense with both hatton and calzaghe.

he's a bitter old man.

[NazNaci1]

Its all swings and roundabouts, no doubt Warren will get over it and make some coin out of his olympians. Not sure what Khan really owes him or he owes Khan. It's not like Warren was working for free...

Totally agree. Warren has always had his cut, so I dont really have any sympathy for him. GBP have better connections, can deliver big fights, against better opponents and for more money - Not really rocket science tbh.

And as for all his 'I tried to make the Bradley, Maidana matches.... ,' heard this type of thing from him before, he will , of course, say that. Whether its actuallly true or how far did he pursue it, is another matter.

Two sides to every story, as always.

Has Joe Calzaghe been paid the £1.8m owed to him by Sports Network? So much for loyalty.

Doubtful, Ian and yes, isnt it ironic.

[whiskey]

Im not remotely arsed about the politics between Wazza and Khan Ltd.

If it brings better fights through as a result then great.

They earned a fortune from the partnership whilst it lasted.