Good points on going to the body being key if Frazier were to win - Bowe did bust up Holy to the body - Though where I'm not sure I agree with you...is in the notion of tiring.... We have to compare apples to apples here - Holyfield showed signs of tiring and wearing out later in his career...when he was 33/34 + years old. Fraizer never even fought to that age - He in relaity retired in 75/76 at the age of what was that 32 year old.Goodnight, Irene wrote:"We'll have to agree to disagree on this one - I was just watching some of Frazier's old fights a couple weeks ago - Love his motor.....but I think he went wide with his hook, often.......and while he hit harder shot for shot (meaning he loaded up more often with it)......Evander's hook had more than enough pop to stop Frazier....and when Holy sat down on the hook in an exchange he brought it.....Evander hooked off the jab better...and cleaned up combinations better off the hook as well.....IMO.
Evander wouldn't have a fight plan that relied on his hook alone...he had more offensive assets than did Frazier, combination punching, better jab, physically stronger and a chin to stand and trade....and that is where he beats fraizer...during exchanges Holy's hook would get there first more often than not...." - Meade95
Where I'll agree with you is that Holyfield's hook was, for mine, technically the superior punch. It was a little (not a lot, but noticeably, nonetheless) shorter, maybe faster, & less predictable overall --- you could always see Frazier's hook preceded by rapid up-&-down bobbing (watch for it yourself, it's particularly noticeable in the third fight with Ali). Of course, Holyfield's hook wasn't, for mine, close to as brutally damaging as Frazier's, so it loses a little ground there. By & large, I take your point, though.
Where I'll disagree is that Holyfield can stand & trade, indefinitely, with Frazier. The reason is the bodyattack. Bowe showed what a consistent, hardened assault to the ribs can do to Holyfield, whose ribs don't equal his chin, for mine. The guy tired when faced with a man who could really work his mid-section --- no Heavyweight in history did it better, in my view, than Frazier. Holyfield loses a brawl in the long run. He'd look flashy earlier, & better at times, but, down the stretch, I can't see him, "out-punching" Frazier.
Holyfield went 15 rounds (last championship fight to go 15 rounds) in a war with Dwight Qawi - Holyfield showed Vs Dokes as well as with Bowe (think 10th round after being rocked and coming back at the end) that he could go a full hard 12 rounds (or 15) in his prime days......
I think a Frazier Vs Holyfield fight comes down to if Frazier could do enough damage to the body.....or would Holy's faster hands, better chin and physical strength advantage (when inside) out weigh that...... For me, I'd take Holyfield more often than not during exchanges....and that eventually putting Frazier down or busted up enough to win a close Dec......It would be a war no matter what........I think we can all agree on that...
