Would a win over N'Dou put Witter ahead of Hatton?

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 10 Feb 2005, 12:46

I think it should. Despite how much the African seems to be overlooked around here surely there is no denying he is superior to anyone Hatton has faced to date?

J · Post by J » 10 Feb 2005, 12:48

same level as tackie in my book, limited but strong.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Feb 2005, 12:50

Hmm, debatable. Is he really better than Tackie? Not too sure. Tackie had a better record than N'dou at the point he met Hatton, but was older and a little past it. N'dou is what I call an impressive loser, loses a lot, but never gets humbled.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 10 Feb 2005, 12:52

Even though Mitchell faced them both within a year and pissed 12 rounds out of 12 against Tackie but was a controversial winner over N'Dou?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 10 Feb 2005, 12:53

Regardless, it's all eyes on the Tszyu fight, no matter what happens.

If Witter/N'Dou is on, it should be for the Commonwealth title, right?

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 10 Feb 2005, 12:56

Yes, I believe that;'s what it said in the release

Kev

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 10 Feb 2005, 12:57

Kilburn has a point. Ndou is well better than tackie - he 's smarter in the ring and not as one dimensional. When's the last time u saw tackie switch hit? For me if witter does a job on ndou he's higher in my ranking but I still think hatton is better than witter.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 10 Feb 2005, 13:12

Certainly an interesting US debut for Witter. N'dou gave Sharmba Mitchell a much tougher fight than Tackie, universally regarded as Hatton's best opponent - and anyone who can take Cotto the full 12 rounds has to be respected.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Feb 2005, 13:34

Ndou BEAT Mitchell in MANY peoples eyes (Tackie was shut out) and Ndou gave Cotto his TOUGHEST fight to date. He is MILES better than the one-dimensional Tackie!!!!

These Hatton fans... anything to make him ahead of Witter!

When Junior does Ndou he will have eclipsed Hatton while Hatton prepares to pull out of the Tszyu fight.

Ironic how Witter is leaving HATTON behind

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Feb 2005, 14:20

I actually forgot about the performance against mitchell, though i've not actually seen it myself. He looked pretty limited when I saw him against Cotto, but maybe that was Cotto's doing.

As for Eclipsing Hatton, well until I hear that Hatton has pulled out of the Tszyu fight, then so far, Hatton is still in the #1 position.

Smit · Post by **Smit** » 10 Feb 2005, 14:23

In my opinion it will put him ahead of Hatton for the time being... Only for a few months though til Hatton fights Tszyu.

But lets say Witter wins.... where does he go from there? Assuming legal issues are resolved then Gatti will be facing Mayweather... and the winner would be trying for a shot at Tszyu? Where would that leave Witter? left in the dark waiting for his shot?

JC · Post by JC » 10 Feb 2005, 14:25

To be honest, I think it will depend on the performance if it's an impressive win I think you would have to say his resume is at least as good at Hatton's. A knockout victory could put him right up there and would attract a lot of attention seeing as he's never been stopped. But as everyone says, the fact that Hatton is signed to fight Zoo makes it a bit irrelivant.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 10 Feb 2005, 14:27

Yes, I would say that would move Witter ahead of Hatton. However, even a close defeat at that hands of Tszyu would probably turn them over.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 10 Feb 2005, 15:12

In my opinion no, just. I know we've been over this a million times before and I really don't want a load of replys to this naming Junior and Ricky's opponents one by one and comparing them, it's just my opinion that Ricky has fought against better opposition consistently over the last couple of years.

A resounding win for Witter over N'dou would go a long way to over-turning this but I'd just give Hatton's ledger the edge.

Lest to say I'm just over the moon that their next 2 fights are against who they are.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 10 Feb 2005, 15:17

Ndou seems allot better than Tackie based on the fact he nearly beat Mitchell and Mitchell shut out Tackie and he gave Cotto problems.

This is a high risk fight though, which Ndou could well pull off, in which case Witter drops below Hatton. Witter on the world scene would be more highly regarded if Hatton gets blasted out by Zoo. Mitchell is a great fighter but everyone has lost respect for him after he was blasted out by Zoo.

I actually think the best chance of Witter-Hatton happening is if Hatton doesn't have a belt and has lost a few fights and Witters managed to grab a belt, which he may if Zoo moves upto 147 and dumps the belts and he fights a faded Mitchell or someone lesser for the belts (although Mitchell seems to have gone to 147)

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Feb 2005, 15:32

If Witter beats N'Dou emphatically and Hatton gets clobbered in a couple of rounds Witter will be above him surely?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 10 Feb 2005, 15:39

007 wrote:If Witter beats N'Dou emphatically and Hatton gets clobbered in a couple of rounds Witter will be above him surely?

You think the blue moon fans will switch to support Bradford City

Hatton once hes been starched in 1round will still be worth 500k a fight, Witter will still be worth less than 6figures a fight.

Maybe Junior should pretend hes from Leeds and is a Leeds U fan. Instead of Blue Moon they could beat up an Asian Student pre-fight. I actually went to uni with a friend of that lad that had Lee Bowyer biting his face.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Feb 2005, 15:53

Goz wrote:In my opinion no, just. I know we've been over this a million times before and I really don't want a load of replys to this naming Junior and Ricky's opponents one by one and comparing them, it's just my opinion that Ricky has fought against better opposition consistently over the last couple of years.

A resounding win for Witter over N'dou would go a long way to over-turning this but I'd just give Hatton's ledger the edge.

Lest to say I'm just over the moon that their next 2 fights are against who they are.

Hatton has fought old men, people who've been exposed, and nobodies.

Witter has fought Zab Judah, people who've been exposed, and nobodies.

Hatton has ran scared from Witter for years.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 10 Feb 2005, 15:58

Goz wrote:In my opinion no, just. I know we've been over this a million times before and I really don't want a load of replys to this naming Junior and Ricky's opponents one by one and comparing them, it's just my opinion that Ricky has fought against better opposition consistently over the last couple of years.

A resounding win for Witter over N'dou would go a long way to over-turning this but I'd just give Hatton's ledger the edge.

Lest to say I'm just over the moon that their next 2 fights are against who they are.

Yer that's my own feeling, although Ndou is a big step up for Witter, he has still lost 7 times, and consistenly falls short at world level.

Couple that with the weak arse oppostion that Witter has been facing in his last 14 or so fights, and there is no way I can put Witter near Hatton if he beats Ndou.

It also pays to remember that when Ndou was mooted as an opponent for Hatton, most people groaned. Says it all really.

BTW Witter should be beating Ndou with plenty to spare.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 10 Feb 2005, 16:04

Twinkle Toes wrote:
Goz wrote:In my opinion no, just. I know we've been over this a million times before and I really don't want a load of replys to this naming Junior and Ricky's opponents one by one and comparing them, it's just my opinion that Ricky has fought against better opposition consistently over the last couple of years.

A resounding win for Witter over N'dou would go a long way to over-turning this but I'd just give Hatton's ledger the edge.

Lest to say I'm just over the moon that their next 2 fights are against who they are.
Yer that's my own feeling, although Ndou is a big step up for Witter, he has still lost 7 times, and consistenly falls short at world level.

Couple that with the weak arse oppostion that Witter has been facing in his last 14 or so fights, and there is no way I can put Witter near Hatton if he beats Ndou.

It also pays to remember that when Ndou was mooted as an opponent for Hatton, most people groaned. Says it all really.

BTW Witter should be beating Ndou with plenty to spare.

Ndous better under Fenech than he was in his early career losses, fighters improve and not everyone is sheltered like a certain Manchunian has been.

I think everyone would have been very happy with Ndou as a Hatton opponent as he arguable beat Mitchell.

1win against Ndou would put Witter and Hatton in about the same place on CVs alone. Ndou is certainly better than Tackie and Phillips.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Feb 2005, 16:05

Twinkle Toes wrote: BTW Witter should be beating Ndou with plenty to spare.

Like Mitchell (Who Ndou beat IMO) and Cotto (who won by 2-3 rounds MAX).

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 10 Feb 2005, 16:07

Nah, Mitchell won (closish fight, but Mitchell won). I actually thought Cotto vs N'dou was closer on the cards.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Feb 2005, 16:08

Twinkle Toes wrote: It also pays to remember that when Ndou was mooted as an opponent for Hatton, most people groaned. Says it all really.

Only because of Hattons fighting an old man with no punch who is past it in Oliveria ONLY BECAUSE "It's a warm up for Tszyu".

THE OLIVERIA FIGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE TSZYU FIGHT, ACCORDING TO HATTON.

But Tszyu was coming after Oliveira.

That's why people weren't happy.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Feb 2005, 16:11

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
007 wrote:If Witter beats N'Dou emphatically and Hatton gets clobbered in a couple of rounds Witter will be above him surely?
You think the blue moon fans will switch to support Bradford City
Hatton once hes been starched in 1round will still be worth 500k a fight, Witter will still be worth less than 6figures a fight.

Maybe Junior should pretend hes from Leeds and is a Leeds U fan. Instead of Blue Moon they could beat up an Asian Student pre-fight. I actually went to uni with a friend of that lad that had Lee Bowyer biting his face.

I am talking about in the rankings - Witter will be ahead of Hatton in the rankings if he beats N'Dou and Hatton loses badly.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 10 Feb 2005, 16:35

Lirva mate you are such a Witter nut hugger, and such a hatton hater - It is hard to take anything you say seriously.

I hope for your sake he wins next week :)