Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Rick Farris]

We'll have 1000 pages in a few hours, and 25,000 posts in a couple days.
And a two-year anniversary in a couple weeks.

[kikibalt]

Civic Auditorium, Stockton, California, United States

Colley Saloma W Artemio Jeronimo PTS 10 10

Tommy Greer W Don Serratore PTS 6 6

Frankie Baltazar L Reynaldo Zaragoza PTS 6 6

Billy Turner W Terry Allen KO 6 6

Frankie third fight was in Stockton, a fight in which he got robbed big time, Frankie fought a local Filipino boy, Reynaldo Zaragoza (6 rounds), a boy that the locals in "Fat City" had high hopes for, I believe I've aways been honest about my boys fights, as to who I thought won the fight when they fought, so when I say that Frankie got robbed big time, believe me its no bull-s##t, I had Frankie winning 5 out of 6 rounds with a knock down (eight count) in the 6th round, the fans were so piss that they held up the main event for about 20 minutes, throwing stuff in the ring. And we were the out-of towners...Go figure....

Frank, if you say it than it's true. The reason the fans were so pissed was because almost all boxing fans hate a bullsh#t decision and they'll let you know. Out of towners or not.

Randy

Frank
If you had to do it over again would you have handled your sons differently on the managerial end?

No, not really, there was only two way that we could have gone, one would have been to turn and I mean turn them over to Don and Carl King, if I would have done that they most likely would have had bigger fights, but King & King would have kept all the money, the boys would have seen very little of the money, if any at all, with Bob Arum we made some good money and we got to keep our money, Frankie didn't make the money Tony did, but he don't have no body to blame but himself, after the Limon fight his wife didn't wanted him to fight any more, he would come around now and then and tell me "get me a fight", I would tell him, "well get in the gym" and he would tell "get me the fight first and then I'll get in the gym", well things don't work that way in boxing, if you're going be fighting you have to be ready at all times, you can see in his record that after the Limon fight he was fighting one or two fights a year, with Frankie also I had one guy that was hurting us in getting good money fight with Bob Arum, at that time Arum was base out of New York, his man in Vegas was Mel Greb who didn't like us. Also at that time the Olympic was pretty much done with putting on big shows, all in all, I think they had good careers, Tony fought for a title twice I think it was and he made a ton of money for that those times, Frankie too made decent money, again, not like Tony. and of course I too pocket some coins

You don't think I did a good job handling their careers?

[dagosd2000]

Frank, if you say it than it's true. The reason the fans were so pissed was because almost all boxing fans hate a bullsh#t decision and they'll let you know. Out of towners or not.

Randy

Frank
If you had to do it over again would you have handled your sons differently on the managerial end?

No, not really, there was only two way that we could have gone, one would have been to turn and I mean turn them over to Don and Carl King, if I would have done that they most likely would have had bigger fights, but King & King would have kept all the money, the boys would have seen very little of the money, if any at all, with Bob Arum we made some good money and we got to keep our money, Frankie didn't make the money Tony did, but he don't have no body to blame but himself, after the Limon fight his wife didn't wanted him to fight any more, he would come around now and then and tell me "get me a fight", I would tell him, "well get in the gym" and he would tell "get me the fight first and then I'll get in the gym", well things don't work that way in boxing, if you're going be fighting you have to be ready at all times, you can see in his record that after the Limon fight he was fighting one or two fights a year, with Frankie also I had one guy that was hurting us in getting good money fight with Bob Arum, at that time Arum was base out of New York, his man in Vegas was Mel Greb who didn't like us. Also at that time the Olympic was pretty much done with putting on big shows, all in all, I think they had good careers, Tony fought for a title twice I think it was and he made a ton of money for that those times, Frankie too made decent money, again, not like Tony. and of course I too pocket some coins

You don't think I did a good job handling their careers?

Just askin'

[dagosd2000]

Alvaro"Yaqui"Lopez

[dagosd2000]

BUT ROGELIO,THEY ARE IN LOVE

I used to watch my nephew,Ramon, play baseball in the soccer stadium on Sundays in Jiquilpan. He was 14 years old and played in a league with men. Ramon was a second baseman and a pretty slick fielder. In Latin America most of the ball fields are dirt strewn with rocks. An infielder has to adjust to that or he goes to the outfield with his glove.

Ramon was good with his glove. Had soft hands. Never overplayed a grounder. He turned double plays and had a snap throw to any base.

His hitting wasn't what I'd call overpowering. Ramon would choke up on the bat,get wood on everything. If he had to he could hit one to the warning track. He was knowledgable of the game. Knew how to move runnners,hit to the opposite field. His head was always in the game.

I'd sit with his parents drinking cahuamas and rooting him on. We were all proud of Ramon and had thoughts that maybe he could hook up with a team from Guadalajara and ,who knows?

Well,last year when I went down to Jiquilpan again,I asked his mother how Ramon's baseball was coming along.
"Rogelio.Ramon is in love,"she answered.
"So. How's his game?"
"Rogelio,Ramon is in love with his novia. They are going to get married."
"But he's only a kid."
"Yes,but they are in love. It is impossible to stop it."
"But he has so much talent,"I said .
"Yes,Rogelio. I know."
"Where is he now?"
"He is in Sahuayo working with his uncle."
"He doesn't play baseball anymore?"
"He will have to work if he's going to get married,"answered Ramon's mother.
I thought what a waste of talent.
"I sure looked forward to watching him play basesball again."
"But Rogelio,they are in love."
Yeah,I thought to myself. There's nothing you could do about that.

[Rick Farris]

BUT ROGELIO,THEY ARE IN LOVE

I used to watch my nephew,Ramon, play baseball in the soccer stadium on Sundays in Jiquilpan. He was 14 years old and played in a league with men. Ramon was a second baseman and a pretty slick fielder. In Latin America most of the ball fields are dirt strewn with rocks. An infielder has to adjust to that or he goes to the outfield with his glove.

Ramon was good with his glove. Had soft hands. Never overplayed a grounder. He turned double plays and had a snap throw to any base.

His hitting wasn't what I'd call overpowering. Ramon would choke up on the bat,get wood on everything. If he had to he could hit one to the warning track. He was knowledgable of the game. Knew how to move runnners,hit to the opposite field. His head was always in the game.

I'd sit with his parents drinking cahuamas and rooting him on. We were all proud of Ramon and had thoughts that maybe he could hook up with a team from Guadalajara and ,who knows?

Well,last year when I went down to Jiquilpan again,I asked his mother how Ramon's baseball was coming along.
"Rogelio.Ramon is in love,"she answered.
"So. How's his game?"
"Rogelio,Ramon is in love with his novia. They are going to get married."
"But he's only a kid."
"Yes,but they are in love. It is impossible to stop it."
"But he has so much talent,"I said .
"Yes,Rogelio. I know."
"Where is he now?"
"He is in Sahuayo working with his uncle."
"He doesn't play baseball anymore?"
"He will have to work if he's going to get married,"answered Ramon's mother."
I thought what a waste of talent.
"I sure looked forward to watching him play basesball again."
"But Rogelio,they are in love."
Yeah,I thought to myself. There's nothing you could do about that.

"He bit the dust!"

That's what Johnny Flores used to say.
Johnny used to laugh at all the boxers he'd known, guys with talent, who fell in love and disappeared.
Years later, I saw it happen to a hot little bantam in Phoenix, Homero Sierra. He bit the dust!


-Rick Farris

[dagosd2000]

BUT ROGELIO,THEY ARE IN LOVE

I used to watch my nephew,Ramon, play baseball in the soccer stadium on Sundays in Jiquilpan. He was 14 years old and played in a league with men. Ramon was a second baseman and a pretty slick fielder. In Latin America most of the ball fields are dirt strewn with rocks. An infielder has to adjust to that or he goes to the outfield with his glove.

Ramon was good with his glove. Had soft hands. Never overplayed a grounder. He turned double plays and had a snap throw to any base.

His hitting wasn't what I'd call overpowering. Ramon would choke up on the bat,get wood on everything. If he had to he could hit one to the warning track. He was knowledgable of the game. Knew how to move runnners,hit to the opposite field. His head was always in the game.

I'd sit with his parents drinking cahuamas and rooting him on. We were all proud of Ramon and had thoughts that maybe he could hook up with a team from Guadalajara and ,who knows?

Well,last year when I went down to Jiquilpan again,I asked his mother how Ramon's baseball was coming along.
"Rogelio.Ramon is in love,"she answered.
"So. How's his game?"
"Rogelio,Ramon is in love with his novia. They are going to get married."
"But he's only a kid."
"Yes,but they are in love. It is impossible to stop it."
"But he has so much talent,"I said .
"Yes,Rogelio. I know."
"Where is he now?"
"He is in Sahuayo working with his uncle."
"He doesn't play baseball anymore?"
"He will have to work if he's going to get married,"answered Ramon's mother."
I thought what a waste of talent.
"I sure looked forward to watching him play basesball again."
"But Rogelio,they are in love."
Yeah,I thought to myself. There's nothing you could do about that.

"He bit the dust!"

That's what Johnny Flores used to say.
Johnny used to laugh at all the boxers he'd known, guys with talent, who fell in love and disappeared.
I saw it happen to a hot little bantam in Phoenix years later, Homero Sierra. He bit the dust!


-Rick Farris

Rick
I've seen fighters that had good wives who were in their corners all the time,but their fighter husbands would roam around and then everything would fall aoart. Their marriages and their careers. Some fighters could handle the carousing. Sometimes the wife would stay. Sometimes she would have enough and throw in the sponge.

Rocky Marciano's wife,Barbara,put up with a lot. Rocky's family didn't like her.His friends didn't like her.My father said the mob guys didn't like her. Worshipped Rocky,but hated her. Rocky was seldom home. Had a lot of girlfriends. Rocky finished undefeated and his wife was always there.

His brother said that Rocky was kind of a mystery. No one knew what he wanted in life. Never seemed satisfied with anything.Even the closest to him couldn't understand him. Rocky was going to attend his daughter's birthday back east when the plane he was in crashed.

BTW. Take a look at photographs of Rocky later in his life. He's wearing a hairpiece. I never could understand that either.

[Randyman]

Randy, "Fat City" is my favorite movie for sure.
Great performances all around.
I love the opening scenes and theme song also.
"Help Me Make It through the night" by Kris Krisstofferson" perfect tune for the flick.
I posted it early in the thread.

Brian, I agree. It's the perfect song for the movie.

Susan Tyrrell, who plays Oma, the barfly that Tully hooks ups with almost steals the show. She played that part to perfection.

For those of you that have not seen the movie, it's shown here in it's entirety. Check it out.

http://www.crackle.com/c/Fat_City

Randy

[Randyman]

We'll have 1000 pages in a few hours, and 25,000 posts in a couple days.
And a two-year anniversary in a couple weeks.

[kikibalt]

Luis Leal dies at 102; scholar of Mexican, Chicano and Latin American literature

Leal taught at UC Santa Barbara and championed Chicano lit as an important part of American lit. His 'A Brief History of the Mexican Short Story' is a landmark of modern literary scholarship.

By Dennis McLellan

January 29, 2010

Luis Leal, an internationally recognized scholar of Mexican, Chicano and Latin American literature who was one of the founders of the field of Chicano literary studies, has died. He was 102.

Leal, a professor of Chicano Studies at UC Santa Barbara, died Monday of natural causes at a convalescent hospital in Santa Barbara, said his son, Antonio.

A professor at the school since 1976, Leal taught his last class in Chicano literature in late 2004 but remained active as a scholar to the end.

"Professor Leal was a beloved member of our campus community and a scholar of tremendous international renown," UC Santa Barbara Chancellor Henry Yang said in a statement. "With respect and affection, we called him 'Don Luis.' "

Leal, who previously held teaching positions at the University of Chicago, the University of Mississippi, Emory University in Atlanta and the University of Illinois, wrote more than 45 books and 400 scholarly articles.

His book "A Brief History of the Mexican Short Story," which was originally published in Spanish in Mexico in 1956 and later in English in the United States, is viewed as a landmark of modern literary scholarship.

"That's what really brought him his initial critical recognition," said Mario T. Garcia, a professor in the Department of Chicana and Chicano Studies at UC Santa Barbara and author of the 2000 book "Luis Leal:An Auto/Biography," an oral history presented as a dialogue between him and Leal.

"He began writing on Mexican literature, and he expanded to Latin American literature outside Mexico," Garcia said. "By the late '60s, he began to focus on Chicano literature and champion it as an important part of American literature."

It was Leal's "standing as a major scholar that gave credibility to the idea of Chicanos having a literature," Garcia said.

Then a professor of Spanish at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Leal "began to write essays and deliver papers at conferences that began to call attention to the concept of Chicano literature, which hadn't really been acknowledged in American literary circles," Garcia said.

"Since his field was literature, he basically said Chicanos are not just writing now, they have a long history of literary product as far back as the Spanish Colonial era of the Southwest."

Garcia described Leal as a "warm and generous man" with a "wonderful sense of humor." They first met in 1976, when Leal arrived at UC Santa Barbara as a visiting professor in the Spanish Department after having reached the mandatory retirement age at the University of Illinois.

"But then he and his wife decided this would be a good place to retire," Garcia said. "What happened is, as soon as some of us realized he was here and who he was, we invited him to start teaching in Chicano Studies. It was really a second career for him."

Leal received numerous honors over the years, including the National Humanities Medal, which was presented at the White House by then-President Bill Clinton in 1997.

He also received the Distinguished Scholar Award from the National Assn. for Chicano Studies in recognition of his lifetime achievement in 1988. And in 1991, he was awarded the Mexico Order of the Aztec Eagle, the highest honor granted to foreign citizens by the Mexican government.

In 1995, UC Santa Barbara established the Luis Leal Endowed Chair in the Department of Chicana and Chicano Studies, which he held until 1997. And in 2003, the Santa Barbara Book Council and UC Santa Barbara created the Luis Leal Award for Distinction in Chicano-Latino Literature.

The only reason Leal stopped teaching six years ago, Garcia said, was because his eyesight and his hearing were deteriorating, "and he just didn't feel he would be as effective in the classroom.

"Even though he had slowed up a bit, he never stopped his work," said Garcia, noting that Leal continued to write reviews and short pieces and to co-edit Ventana Abierta, a journal of U.S. Latino literature written in Spanish.

Leal was one of five children born into a family of cattle ranchers. He was born Sept. 17, 1907, in Linares, Mexico.

He received a bachelor of science degree in Spanish from Northwestern University in 1940 and a master's in Spanish from the University of Chicago in 1941. Leal became a naturalized citizen and was drafted into the Army during World War II and served in the Pacific. He earned a doctorate in Spanish and Italian from the University of Chicago in 1950.

Leal was predeceased by his son, Luis; and his wife, Gladys.

Besides his son Antonio, he is survived by three grandchildren and four great-grandchildren.

A graveside service will be held at 3 p.m. Monday at Goleta Cemetery, 44 S. Antonio Road, Goleta.

Plans for a campus memorial are pending.

[email protected]

[THEHAMMER321]

Frank, if you say it than it's true. The reason the fans were so pissed was because almost all boxing fans hate a bullsh#t decision and they'll let you know. Out of towners or not.

Randy

Frank
If you had to do it over again would you have handled your sons differently on the managerial end?

No, not really, there was only two way that we could have gone, one would have been to turn and I mean turn them over to Don and Carl King, if I would have done that they most likely would have had bigger fights, but King & King would have kept all the money, the boys would have seen very little of the money, if any at all, with Bob Arum we made some good money and we got to keep our money, Frankie didn't make the money Tony did, but he don't have no body to blame but himself, after the Limon fight his wife didn't wanted him to fight any more, he would come around now and then and tell me "get me a fight", I would tell him, "well get in the gym" and he would tell "get me the fight first and then I'll get in the gym", well things don't work that way in boxing, if you're going be fighting you have to be ready at all times, you can see in his record that after the Limon fight he was fighting one or two fights a year, with Frankie also I had one guy that was hurting us in getting good money fight with Bob Arum, at that time Arum was base out of New York, his man in Vegas was Mel Greb who didn't like us. Also at that time the Olympic was pretty much done with putting on big shows, all in all, I think they had good careers, Tony fought for a title twice I think it was and he made a ton of money for that those times, Frankie too made decent money, again, not like Tony. and of course I too pocket some coins

You don't think I did a good job handling their careers?

I am sure you did the best thing for them,I mean who in his right mind would turn over there flesh and blood to one of the biggest con men of the 20th century how much proof do you need not one fighter who ever fought for king when all was said and done didn't feel shafted even the ones like Holmes who ended up rich still thought king robbed him.

[dagosd2000]

Luis Leal dies at 102; scholar of Mexican, Chicano and Latin American literature

Leal taught at UC Santa Barbara and championed Chicano lit as an important part of American lit. His 'A Brief History of the Mexican Short Story' is a landmark of modern literary scholarship.

By Dennis McLellan

January 29, 2010

Luis Leal, an internationally recognized scholar of Mexican, Chicano and Latin American literature who was one of the founders of the field of Chicano literary studies, has died. He was 102.

Leal, a professor of Chicano Studies at UC Santa Barbara, died Monday of natural causes at a convalescent hospital in Santa Barbara, said his son, Antonio.

A professor at the school since 1976, Leal taught his last class in Chicano literature in late 2004 but remained active as a scholar to the end.

"Professor Leal was a beloved member of our campus community and a scholar of tremendous international renown," UC Santa Barbara Chancellor Henry Yang said in a statement. "With respect and affection, we called him 'Don Luis.' "

Leal, who previously held teaching positions at the University of Chicago, the University of Mississippi, Emory University in Atlanta and the University of Illinois, wrote more than 45 books and 400 scholarly articles.

His book "A Brief History of the Mexican Short Story," which was originally published in Spanish in Mexico in 1956 and later in English in the United States, is viewed as a landmark of modern literary scholarship.

"That's what really brought him his initial critical recognition," said Mario T. Garcia, a professor in the Department of Chicana and Chicano Studies at UC Santa Barbara and author of the 2000 book "Luis Leal:An Auto/Biography," an oral history presented as a dialogue between him and Leal.

"He began writing on Mexican literature, and he expanded to Latin American literature outside Mexico," Garcia said. "By the late '60s, he began to focus on Chicano literature and champion it as an important part of American literature."

It was Leal's "standing as a major scholar that gave credibility to the idea of Chicanos having a literature," Garcia said.

Then a professor of Spanish at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Leal "began to write essays and deliver papers at conferences that began to call attention to the concept of Chicano literature, which hadn't really been acknowledged in American literary circles," Garcia said.

"Since his field was literature, he basically said Chicanos are not just writing now, they have a long history of literary product as far back as the Spanish Colonial era of the Southwest."

Garcia described Leal as a "warm and generous man" with a "wonderful sense of humor." They first met in 1976, when Leal arrived at UC Santa Barbara as a visiting professor in the Spanish Department after having reached the mandatory retirement age at the University of Illinois.

"But then he and his wife decided this would be a good place to retire," Garcia said. "What happened is, as soon as some of us realized he was here and who he was, we invited him to start teaching in Chicano Studies. It was really a second career for him."

Leal received numerous honors over the years, including the National Humanities Medal, which was presented at the White House by then-President Bill Clinton in 1997.

He also received the Distinguished Scholar Award from the National Assn. for Chicano Studies in recognition of his lifetime achievement in 1988. And in 1991, he was awarded the Mexico Order of the Aztec Eagle, the highest honor granted to foreign citizens by the Mexican government.

In 1995, UC Santa Barbara established the Luis Leal Endowed Chair in the Department of Chicana and Chicano Studies, which he held until 1997. And in 2003, the Santa Barbara Book Council and UC Santa Barbara created the Luis Leal Award for Distinction in Chicano-Latino Literature.

The only reason Leal stopped teaching six years ago, Garcia said, was because his eyesight and his hearing were deteriorating, "and he just didn't feel he would be as effective in the classroom.

"Even though he had slowed up a bit, he never stopped his work," said Garcia, noting that Leal continued to write reviews and short pieces and to co-edit Ventana Abierta, a journal of U.S. Latino literature written in Spanish.

Leal was one of five children born into a family of cattle ranchers. He was born Sept. 17, 1907, in Linares, Mexico.

He received a bachelor of science degree in Spanish from Northwestern University in 1940 and a master's in Spanish from the University of Chicago in 1941. Leal became a naturalized citizen and was drafted into the Army during World War II and served in the Pacific. He earned a doctorate in Spanish and Italian from the University of Chicago in 1950.

Leal was predeceased by his son, Luis; and his wife, Gladys.

Besides his son Antonio, he is survived by three grandchildren and four great-grandchildren.

A graveside service will be held at 3 p.m. Monday at Goleta Cemetery, 44 S. Antonio Road, Goleta.

Plans for a campus memorial are pending.

[email protected]

Frank
I've read Luis Real. He is very good. He nails down the culture in his writing.I really think the bridge between Chicanos and Mexican nationals doesn't exist. Sure,there are environmental factors that come into play,but I believe there is an organic sameness that makes the Chicano and Mexican national only different by boundaries. Leal said that to me.

Sometimes I talk to Chicanos who have never been past Tijuana,yet when I go to a place like my wife's hometown,I feel that the Chicano was born and raised from somewhere down there.

Enrique Villasenor,another great Chicano writer,discovered this link when he went to Guadalajara for the first time to visit family. Sometimes Mexican education and the arts is not appreciated in Mexico. I've told the story of the kid I coached in American football at CETYs school in TJ. He was also a fighter. One time he fought a guy from Mexico City,a Chilango. Tijuaneros can't stand Chilangos. Well since the kid went to school,his nickname was "El Estudiante",the student. The TJ crowd booed him more than the Chilango because of his nickname.

Asi es Mexico

[bennie]

Stockton, now that looks like a fight town to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtGx8WCPC5k

Off the top of my head, I'm pretty sure Cornelius Boza-Edwards won his world title in Stockton with a brilliant 15-round display against Bazooka Limon. He shrugged off one of the worst low blows I've ever seen (real middle stump) in the process.

[Chuck1052]

It is very possible that Stockton had the largest Filipino community on the mainland of the United States during the 1920s and 1930s. Moreover, there were many California-based Filipinos who were tremendous boxing fans at the time.

- Chuck Johnston

[Expug]

Randy, "Fat City" is my favorite movie for sure.
Great performances all around.
I love the opening scenes and theme song also.
"Help Me Make It through the night" by Kris Krisstofferson" perfect tune for the flick.
I posted it early in the thread.

Brian, I agree. It's the perfect song for the movie.

Susan Tyrrell, who plays Oma, the barfly that Tully hooks ups with almost steals the show. She played that part to perfection.

For those of you that have not seen the movie, it's shown here in it's entirety. Check it out.

http://www.crackle.com/c/Fat_City

Randy

Thanks Randy,
I'll watch it tonight.
You're right about Susan Tyrell. She's terrific.

[dagosd2000]

It is very possible that Stockton had the largest Filipino community on the mainland of the United States during the 1920s and 1930s. Moreover, there were many California-based Filipinos who were tremendous boxing fans at the time.

- Chuck Johnston

Chuck
Around 20 years ago the state built a new freeway right through the center of Stockton's Philippino community. It wrecked their econonmy.Many Philippinos left. Also many of the old buildings that told of their history were destroyed. There are Philippino leaders in the community of Stockton who are trying to salvage what is left.

[dagosd2000]

Frank
If you had to do it over again would you have handled your sons differently on the managerial end?

No, not really, there was only two way that we could have gone, one would have been to turn and I mean turn them over to Don and Carl King, if I would have done that they most likely would have had bigger fights, but King & King would have kept all the money, the boys would have seen very little of the money, if any at all, with Bob Arum we made some good money and we got to keep our money, Frankie didn't make the money Tony did, but he don't have no body to blame but himself, after the Limon fight his wife didn't wanted him to fight any more, he would come around now and then and tell me "get me a fight", I would tell him, "well get in the gym" and he would tell "get me the fight first and then I'll get in the gym", well things don't work that way in boxing, if you're going be fighting you have to be ready at all times, you can see in his record that after the Limon fight he was fighting one or two fights a year, with Frankie also I had one guy that was hurting us in getting good money fight with Bob Arum, at that time Arum was base out of New York, his man in Vegas was Mel Greb who didn't like us. Also at that time the Olympic was pretty much done with putting on big shows, all in all, I think they had good careers, Tony fought for a title twice I think it was and he made a ton of money for that those times, Frankie too made decent money, again, not like Tony. and of course I too pocket some coins

You don't think I did a good job handling their careers?

I am sure you did the best thing for them,I mean who in his right mind would turn over there flesh and blood to one of the biggest con men of the 20th century how much proof do you need not one fighter who ever fought for king when all was said and done didn't feel shafted even the ones like Holmes who ended up rich still thought king robbed him.

Speaking of Don King. Saw an interview with Buster Douclass about ten years ago on the Howard Stern Show. Stern asked Buster how much was his take for the Tyson fight. Buster answered 600 dollars. Everyone fell off their chairs with that remark. After Stern explained to Buster point by point about how he was robbed,Douglas got pissed off!

[kikibalt]

Frank
If you had to do it over again would you have handled your sons differently on the managerial end?

No, not really, there was only two way that we could have gone, one would have been to turn and I mean turn them over to Don and Carl King, if I would have done that they most likely would have had bigger fights, but King & King would have kept all the money, the boys would have seen very little of the money, if any at all, with Bob Arum we made some good money and we got to keep our money, Frankie didn't make the money Tony did, but he don't have no body to blame but himself, after the Limon fight his wife didn't wanted him to fight any more, he would come around now and then and tell me "get me a fight", I would tell him, "well get in the gym" and he would tell "get me the fight first and then I'll get in the gym", well things don't work that way in boxing, if you're going be fighting you have to be ready at all times, you can see in his record that after the Limon fight he was fighting one or two fights a year, with Frankie also I had one guy that was hurting us in getting good money fight with Bob Arum, at that time Arum was base out of New York, his man in Vegas was Mel Greb who didn't like us. Also at that time the Olympic was pretty much done with putting on big shows, all in all, I think they had good careers, Tony fought for a title twice I think it was and he made a ton of money for that those times, Frankie too made decent money, again, not like Tony. and of course I too pocket some coins

You don't think I did a good job handling their careers?

I am sure you did the best thing for them,I mean who in his right mind would turn over there flesh and blood to one of the biggest con men of the 20th century how much proof do you need not one fighter who ever fought for king when all was said and done didn't feel shafted even the ones like Holmes who ended up rich still thought king robbed him.

Hammer...Did you know Bob Arum's man in Vegas, Mel Greb?

[THEHAMMER321]

No, not really, there was only two way that we could have gone, one would have been to turn and I mean turn them over to Don and Carl King, if I would have done that they most likely would have had bigger fights, but King & King would have kept all the money, the boys would have seen very little of the money, if any at all, with Bob Arum we made some good money and we got to keep our money, Frankie didn't make the money Tony did, but he don't have no body to blame but himself, after the Limon fight his wife didn't wanted him to fight any more, he would come around now and then and tell me "get me a fight", I would tell him, "well get in the gym" and he would tell "get me the fight first and then I'll get in the gym", well things don't work that way in boxing, if you're going be fighting you have to be ready at all times, you can see in his record that after the Limon fight he was fighting one or two fights a year, with Frankie also I had one guy that was hurting us in getting good money fight with Bob Arum, at that time Arum was base out of New York, his man in Vegas was Mel Greb who didn't like us. Also at that time the Olympic was pretty much done with putting on big shows, all in all, I think they had good careers, Tony fought for a title twice I think it was and he made a ton of money for that those times, Frankie too made decent money, again, not like Tony. and of course I too pocket some coins

You don't think I did a good job handling their careers?

I am sure you did the best thing for them,I mean who in his right mind would turn over there flesh and blood to one of the biggest con men of the 20th century how much proof do you need not one fighter who ever fought for king when all was said and done didn't feel shafted even the ones like Holmes who ended up rich still thought king robbed him.

Hammer...Did you know Bob Arum's man in Vegas, Mel Greb?

I new who he was he was famous in Las Vegas although I never spoke a word to him he was a matchmaker out here for around 40 years,people that I know told me he would act rough but it was all an act.

[dagosd2000]

PLAY THE GAME

The Superintendant of the District just walked in 10 minutes ago with the Principal of our school. The kids were doing a crossword puzzle of Fredrick Douglass. The Superintendant's visit was unannounced. The Principle wanted to show him a class that was "succeeding".

Well,at least I wasn't screaming at anyone when he walked in. I know the Superintendant was satisfied and so was the Principal. I made him look good. It was brownie points for me too. Is everybody happy? Sure. I mean I could have been yellin' at some kid when they walked in.

[kikibalt]

I new who he was he was famous in Las Vegas although I never spoke a word to him he was a matchmaker out here for around 40 years,people that I know told me he would act rough but it was all an act.

He was or tried to be a bully, liked to intimidate people, he tried it with me and it didn't work, so I was on his sh#t list from the day he tried it until he died...

[dagosd2000]

THE PROSPECT

Speaking of my classes,I've got this big Mexican kid in one of them named Martin. Martin Ramirez. He boxes. 14 years old and he trains at Cheto's Gym in Plaza Santa Cecelia in downtown TJ. and ,he tells me ,in another gym in one of the colonias. He's a big kid. He's a heavyweight. I'm going to take a look at him this weekend. A real nice kid,but no one messes with him. He's fond of me bacause he knows I like boxing. I'd tell him stories of Napoles and Olivares, and he likes that. We talk about fighting a lot.We sometimes watch old movies of the fights.

I promised him that I would watch him train. He's a heavyweight like I said. No one messes with him. Who knows?Manuel Ramos. Shook Frazier's knees. One more hook and Mexico would have had a bigger hero than Villa.

I'll let you guys know what I see when I cross the border this weekend. Maybe this kid has got that follow up hook.

[kikibalt]

THE PROSPECT

Speaking of my classes,I've got this big Mexican kid in one of them named Martin. Martin Ramirez. He boxes. 14 years old and he trains at Cheto's Gym in Plaza Santa Cecelia in downtown TJ. and ,he tells me ,in another gym in one of the colonias. He's a big kid. He's a heavyweight. I'm going to take a look at him this weekend. A real nice kid,but no one messes with him. He's fond of me bacause he knows I like boxing. I'd tell him stories of Napoles and Olivares, and he likes that. We talk about fighting a lot.We sometimes watch old movies of the fights.

I promised him that I would watch him train. He's a heavyweight like I said. No one messes with him. Who knows?Manuel Ramos. Shook Frazier's knees. One more hook and Mexico would have had a bigger hero than Villa.

I'll let you guys know what I see when I cross the border this weekend. Maybe this kid has got that follow up hook.

Roger..How is Cheto?, if you see him say hi to him for...

[Randyman]

Since we are approaching 1000 posts this would be a good time to tell you guys thanks. I was not here for the first few months but no sooner did I join than all of you immediately made me feel welcome. This is a site with heart but it's the people that write here and share not only their memories and personal experience in boxing and with boxers but their personal lives as well that make it what it is. I'm proud to be a part of it.

Randy

[dagosd2000]

THE PROSPECT

Speaking of my classes,I've got this big Mexican kid in one of them named Martin. Martin Ramirez. He boxes. 14 years old and he trains at Cheto's Gym in Plaza Santa Cecelia in downtown TJ. and ,he tells me ,in another gym in one of the colonias. He's a big kid. He's a heavyweight. I'm going to take a look at him this weekend. A real nice kid,but no one messes with him. He's fond of me bacause he knows I like boxing. I'd tell him stories of Napoles and Olivares, and he likes that. We talk about fighting a lot.We sometimes watch old movies of the fights.

I promised him that I would watch him train. He's a heavyweight like I said. No one messes with him. Who knows?Manuel Ramos. Shook Frazier's knees. One more hook and Mexico would have had a bigger hero than Villa.

I'll let you guys know what I see when I cross the border this weekend. Maybe this kid has got that follow up hook.

Roger..How is Cheto?, if you see him say hi to him for...

Frank
He's getting on in years,but he opens the gym on a regular basis and enjoys it.If I see him I'll tell him you said "hello". Lot of kids in there during school hours.Asi es Mexico