Boxing Dirty Secret (PED)

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Does boxing need WADA style drug testing?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/8485892.stm
Victor Conte slams professional boxing's drug testing

Victor Conte, the man who provided disgraced sprinter Dwain Chambers with illegal drugs, has branded boxing's attempts to catch cheats as "inept".

Currently working with professional boxers, Conte claims drug use in the sport is rife due to lax regulation.

"The testing that is being utilised in boxing is virtually worthless," Conte told BBC Radio 5 live.

Conte's view is backed up by the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) which branded boxing's testing as "pathetic".

Professional boxing is one the few sports that is not regulated by a single governing body.

In the United States, each commission has different rules when it comes to drug testing, with the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), for example, responsible for all fights taking place in Las Vegas.

That being the case, the NSAC would have been charged with regulating the ill-fated Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight, which fell through earlier this month because of a row over testing.

That hotch-potch approach is unlike the amateur, game which is under the Wada umbrella.

"Professional boxing is not in compliance and has made no effort to comply," said head of Wada David Howman.

"They give the boxer every opportunity to hide what they may have taken previously and that is not the way the world operates these days."

The concern is that boxers could be resorting to taking human growth hormone drugs (HGH) to aid their move up and down the weight divisions.

"I don't believe they want to know how rampant the use of drugs really is.," said Conte. "Testing in boxing is completely and totally inept."

Conte, the founder of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, also fears testosterone is being used to aid the intensity of training and improve speed and power, as well as Erythropoietin (EPO) to increase oxygen intake and the ability to recover more quickly after training.

Boxing is still reeling from the cancellation of the biggest payday in its history because of a drug-testing dispute.

Unbeaten American Mayweather's proposed fight with Filipino superstar Pacquiao had been set for 13 March.

But the fight was called off after Mayweather's management wanted both men - regarded as the two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world - to submit to blood-testing 14 days prior to the bout.

Pacquiao, however, refused, saying that he had difficulty with taking blood, and after days of negotiating the pair failed to resolve their dispute.

The key to Wada's supervisory regime is its ability to test randomly.

Britain's Olympic gold medallist James DeGale has yet to have a drugs test - other than the one given at a yearly medical check - since turning professional after the Beijing Games in 2008.

"As a top amateur, you were tested regularly," DeGale told BBC Sport.

"It was random - they can turn up day and night. Leading up to the Olympics, I was tested twice randomly and when I won gold I had a blood and urine test.

"It's pretty strict, you don't know when you are going to get tested."

With such sporadic testing, Conte believes it is far too easy to avoid detection.

"They test you before a fight and after a fight- one for performance-enhancing drugs and one for recreational drugs," said Conte.

"But these athletes have advisors who understand that all you have to do is taper off the different species of drugs.

"Until those who control the majority of the financial gain from boxing develop a true and genuine interest in reducing the use of performance-enhancing drugs, it will continue to be rampant."

Conte, who provided drugs for five-time Olympic gold medallist Marion Jones, developed the banned steroid tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) with the help of bodybuilding chemist Patrick Arnold.

Caught in 2003, Conte was later sentenced to four months in prison.

He has since helped Wada go about catching drugs cheats, and under his new company Scientific Nutrition for Advanced Conditioning provides legal supplements for current athletes.

His clients include boxers Andre Ward, who is part of the Super Six series that includes Britain's Carl Froch, and Eddie Chambers, who is set to fight Wladimir Klitschko in March.

Howman is hoping the Mayweather-Pacquiao furore will provide a wake-up call for boxing.

He added: "Wada's view is quite simple, what professional boxing has in place is well short of the mark.

"The difficulty with professional boxing is that they regard themselves as private entities and outside of our jurisdiction. Largely because they reside in the United States where there is no government control and no Olympic committee control."

In the past, the professional game has taken a softly-softly approach to punishing boxers.

In 2000, a post-fight drug test showed that the then IBF, WBC and WBA light-heavyweight world champion Roy Jones Jr and his opponent Richard Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which was banned by the IBF. Jones was able to keep his titles and was not fined or suspended for the positive test by the IBF.

In 2005, American James Toney defeated John Ruiz to win the WBA heavyweight title but later tested positive for the anabolic steroid Stanozolol. Toney only received a 90-day ban.

The commissioner of Indiana Boxing, Jacob Hall, insisted that Indiana did not have a law on drug testing and that an agreement was made with Jones to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission.

However, German promoter Chris Meyer, who manages former heavyweight world champion Nikolay Valuev, believes improving drug testing is vital to boxing's survival.

Meyer operates a "zero-tolerance policy" towards doping - a stance that earlier in the month cost Spanish boxer Pablo Navascus the chance to face Sebastian Sylvester for the IBF middleweight title after the Spaniard failed a test during training.

"No insurance covers that and it's a big problem," said Meyer. "But we are prepared to take this risk."

He added: "If you are an amateur athlete there is no discussion about this. We have to demonstrate to the public that we do not cheat - we play with open cards. It's important for the survival of the sport.

"Perhaps in the long run the Mayweather-Pacquiao situation will be good for boxing."

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Interviews by BBC Radio 5 live boxing correspondent Mike Costello. Writing by broadcast journalist Nabil Hassan
No great surprises to me in that article, just going by the very few drug cheats who are caught in boxing shows that the testing procedures are inadequate and as is mentioned in the article when they are caught it's nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

I think to start off with all boxers contesting World titles should be subjected to the same drug testing procedures as the amateur boxers are (and virtually every other physical sport), then phase it in throughout the ranks over time. Obviously this would involve all the major governing bodies agreeing to this and the inevitable costs would have to be absorbed by someone (governing body or promoter) which in the current climate won't go down well.

The thing that grips my sh!t is that I could have been (or still are) worshipping what I determine to be a Great fighter, when actually he's just juiced upto the nines. These out-dated and inadequate doping procedures cast doubts over every major fight that has took place in the last 2 decades. Personally I think the use of performance enhancing drugs is alot more widespread than many of us fear. Imagine IF Manny has been using PED in the past (I only use Manny as an example due to PBF negotiations and allegations), would he have beat MAB, EL Terrible, Larios etc would we have even heard of him???

The increase in the level of expertise in covering up the use of PED's has come on in leaps and bounds over the past 20 years and is progressing all the time, where as far as I'm aware boxings drug testing procedures haven't changed since Jack Johnson was putting up his dukes. Boxing needs to clean up it's act IMO and if cheats are caught they should be banned from Pro boxing for 2 years minimum.

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Funny that the IBF was recently selected by the Sport of Arbitration as having better drug testing procedures than the IOC. :confused:
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Tried finding it, but it was from fight news in the summer/autumn.
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MachoMan09 wrote:Conte is correct. Boxing is way behind the curve (arguably on purpose) when it comes to testing for PED, HGH and blood doping.

If efficient testing was brought in to test for EPO and the like, there would almost certainly be very big names caught out. Not so much in the UK; our boxers are usually pretty uniformed on these issues and therefore don't typically get involved with it. Perhaps oral steroids in the odd case at most.

Fighters based in the US, where trainers are more savvy on this subject, are much more likely to go down the performance enhancing route. It is very easy to get away with taking stuff in boxing.
I agree with you about UK boxers to a point. But quite a few boxers will visit or regularly attend 'hardcore gyms' for weight/strength training. These gyms are full of sted heads, so it's not that difficult to fall into.

It's definitely more prevalent in US though, because like you say they are more informed over there. Weight regimens are even common for high school kids and steroids will inevitably come into play for some of them.
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Also, wtf is up with Conte's habit of forming stupid bloody acronyms?

I mean, SNAC? Really? It's like he's escaped from a stupid science fiction movie.
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It'd be interesting to see what happened to boxing if the Wada doping procedures were brought in tomorrow, in terms of retirements and decline in performance of certain boxers
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Chambers, there would be a few shocks, bet your life on that :TU:
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In a sport where lives are on the line boxing ought to be stricter than any sport. The seeming 'brush it under the carpet and look the other way' attitude is a disgrace and lets down everyone who gives their all to this sport cleanly. That James Toney thought pointing out that he was fat somehow proved he wasn't using shows how ignorant many people are on this subject.
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Unfortunately I think performance-enhancing drug use is frequent and the bigger shame is I can't ever see a concerted campaign being mounted to change that because of all the vested interests involved and the lack of a single governing entity to enforce any such move. It will continue to be brushed under the carpet for the foreseeable future in my opinion.
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