What is the point of these fairy tale threads?

[Robinson]

Because for some one like myself who does not drink, do drugs,
gamble or smoke...some times these hypotheticals with like
minded people is a fun past time.

After work and training, there is not much else to do for
a boring geek like myself.

And to be honest Mr Gran, I would always value your thoughts
or opinions on such 'hypotheticals'.

I am scoring the Johnson-Pastrano fight, in the themed thread.
Would be awesome if you could include your feed back, as I
know you did know Johnson.

I recall thinking Johnson won that fight when I watched it
some time ago. And so far 6 rounds in, I have scored it 5-1 Johnson
and that one round I was being nice to Pastrano.

[ThatOne]

Because for some one like myself who does not drink, do drugs,
gamble or smoke...some times these hypotheticals with like
minded people is a fun past time.

After work and training, there is not much else to do for
a boring geek like myself.

And to be honest Mr Gran, I would always value your thoughts
or opinions on such 'hypotheticals'.

I am scoring the Johnson-Pastrano fight, in the themed thread.
Would be awesome if you could include your feed back, as I
know you did know Johnson.

I recall thinking Johnson won that fight when I watched it
some time ago. And so far 6 rounds in, I have scored it 5-1 Johnson
and that one round I was being nice to Pastrano.

People speculate on all kind of things

What if the South won the Civil War?

What if the Japanese didn't attack Pearl Harbour?

What if the Normandy Landing was unsuccessful?

Boxing is one of many things people speculate about.

Ernest Borgnine and not Marlon Brando was Francis Ford Coppola's first choice for "The Godfather". What if he chose Borgnine?


Im the Sopranos Lorraine Bracco was supposed to play Tony's wife and not his psychiatrist. What if she plays his wife?

[granberry]

Because for some one like myself who does not drink, do drugs,
gamble or smoke...some times these hypotheticals with like
minded people is a fun past time.

After work and training, there is not much else to do for
a boring geek like myself.

And to be honest Mr Gran, I would always value your thoughts
or opinions on such 'hypotheticals'.

I am scoring the Johnson-Pastrano fight, in the themed thread.
Would be awesome if you could include your feed back, as I
know you did know Johnson.

I recall thinking Johnson won that fight when I watched it
some time ago. And so far 6 rounds in, I have scored it 5-1 Johnson
and that one round I was being nice to Pastrano.

The Johnson/Pastrano 'fight' was an arrangement between Pat "Steaks" Olivieri (Johnson's manager) and Miami mob people.

Oliveri had reason to be angry at Johnson and rather than rub him out, he arranged for Johnson to "lose" his title as his revenge.

NOTICE that Johnson never got a return fight for his title.

Pastrano was instructed that as long as he was not counted out before the fight ended he would be the "winner,"

The referee made sure of that. Every time Johnson began to get Pastrano in trouble the ref stopped Johnson and let Pastrano get away.

It was a mob arrangement.

All of your Thomas Hausers and David Remnicks and Farts Illustrated articles will never give you even a glimmer of the REAL world.

So keep on with your mindless "scoring" of a farce enacted out and arranged long before it took place.

[ThatOne]

You accused me and Sports Illustrated of fabricating a quote from Zora Folley regarding Muhammad Ali . Here's the quote and link:


"I went to New York to win the championship. I wouldn't have gone if I did not think I could win. I was confident. But Ali beat me at my own game. He did the same thing to Liston (knocked him out with a right hand, didn't he); Williams, another big puncher, Ali knocked him out in short order. Terrell, the great jabber, what happened to him? He got outjabbed. And Patterson, the guy with superspeed hands, couldn't match Ali and just stood around and got punched to pieces.

"The right hands Ali hit me with just had no business landing—but they did. They came from nowhere. Many times he was in the wrong position but he hit me anyway. Blatt! and the punch connected. I've never seen anyone who could do that. The knockdown punch was so fast that I never saw it. He has lots of snap, and when the punches land they dizzy your head; they fuzz up your mind.

"The first time I went down, I wasn't hurt, but I didn't know what had happened. Suddenly I became aware of the noise and then I saw Ali standing over me, and I figured I was down. So I wheeled around to look at my corner, to find out the count. I kept thinking, was that a right hand he hit me with? So what did he do but hit me with the same punch again in the seventh round and knock me out. I can't believe it, but that's what he did.

"He's smart. The trickiest fighter I've seen. He's had 29 fights and acts like he's had a hundred. He could write the book on boxing, and anyone that fights him should be made to read it first.

"I did things to Ali that have never been done before. He missed more punches and landed fewer than with all of those other guys he's been in with. I also cut the ring on him, reduced it so consistently that he chose to stand and fight. He's a safety-first fighter, no matter how foolish he looks. And I made him fight. That could have been my worst mistake, making him fight. I hurt him to the body, but he's tough. You can tell from the way he's put together that he's got pride. The man's a real fighter. Look at the way he acts out of the ring and you can see that. In the ring the guy doesn't show when he's been hurt. Not even the smallest sign, the way most fighters do. He beat me good, but he didn't beat me bad.

"There's just no way to train yourself for what he does: the moves, the speed, the punches and the way he changes style every time you think you got him figured. Wendell Newton, my sparring partner, jumped around and he was awkward, but he wasn't Ali. Ali is something else. I fought middleweights, even smaller men and they weren't as fast. This guy has a style all of his own. It's far ahead of any fighter's around today, so how could those oldtime fighters, you know, Dempsey, Tunney or any of them keep up? Louis wouldn't have a chance—he was too slow. Marciano couldn't get to him, and he would never get away from Ali's jab. The only one who would have a good chance was Ezzard Charles, a real fast heavyweight who was smart and was perhaps the best combination puncher of them all."



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LOL

[ThatOne]

Because for some one like myself who does not drink, do drugs,
gamble or smoke...some times these hypotheticals with like
minded people is a fun past time.

After work and training, there is not much else to do for
a boring geek like myself.

And to be honest Mr Gran, I would always value your thoughts
or opinions on such 'hypotheticals'.

I am scoring the Johnson-Pastrano fight, in the themed thread.
Would be awesome if you could include your feed back, as I
know you did know Johnson.



I recall thinking Johnson won that fight when I watched it
some time ago. And so far 6 rounds in, I have scored it 5-1 Johnson
and that one round I was being nice to Pastrano.

The Johnson/Pastrano 'fight' was an arrangement between Pat "Steaks" Olivieri (Johnson's manager) and Miami mob people.

Oliveri had reason to be angry at Johnson and rather than rub him out, he arranged for Johnson to "lose" his title as his revenge.

NOTICE that Johnson never got a return fight for his title.

Pastrano was instructed that as long as he was not counted out before the fight ended he would be the "winner,"

The referee made sure of that. Every time Johnson began to get Pastrano in trouble the ref stopped Johnson and let Pastrano get away.

It was a mob arrangement.

All of your Thomas Hausers and David Remnicks and Farts Illustrated articles will never give you even a glimmer of the REAL world.

So keep on with your mindless "scoring" of a farce enacted out and arranged long before it took place.

Why are you disrepecting kym?
He's the only poster here who likes you.

[jmc617]

I like ya too Gran not that it really matters

[Robinson]

Why was Gran's original post deleted ?
Makes no sense...