JESSE HART VS GREAT BRITAIN DUAL OCT 2009 VIDEO

[PHILLYSTEVE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD6pwrc4fc0

[DCAmateurBoxing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD6pwrc4fc0

Stop teasing, Phillysteve. Where the rest of the fight? What else do you have from the dual? Was this in VA or Des Moines? I'd love to see more action.

[PHILLYSTEVE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD6pwrc4fc0

Stop teasing, Phillysteve. Where the rest of the fight? What else do you have from the dual? Was this in VA or Des Moines? I'd love to see more action.

It's the one from VA. I have all the fights, most of them lost. I'll put highlights up. Jesse's fight was over quick, so there you have it. Errol Spence was about the only one worth watching. But if you can find out the line-up. Request the ones you would like to see and I'll try to get them up.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD6pwrc4fc0

Stop teasing, Phillysteve. Where the rest of the fight? What else do you have from the dual? Was this in VA or Des Moines? I'd love to see more action.

It's the one from VA. I have all the fights, most of them lost. I'll put highlights up. Jesse's fight was over quick, so there you have it. Errol Spence was about the only one worth watching. But if you can find out the line-up. Request the ones you would like to see and I'll try to get them up.

How about Luis, Errol and Jessie? Thanks!

[Dennis]

Here are the results from the dual in Norfolk:

112 lbs/51 kg: Louie Byrd, Denver, CO/USA dec. Daniel Chapman, GBR, 16-13
119 lbs/54 kg: Andrew Selby, GBR, dec. Luis Rosa, East Haven, CT/USA, 7-4
125 lbs/57 kg: Ian Weaver, GBR, dec. Josh Bowles, Harrisburg, PA/USA, 13-3
141 lbs/64 kg: Scott Cardle, GBR, dec. Andre Sherard, Milwaukee, WI/USA, 6-3
152 lbs/69 kg: Errol Spence, Desoto, TX/USA dec. Craig Dixon, GBR, 10-4
165 lbs/75 kg: Jesse Hart, Marquette, MI/USA won on retirement over Karl Kirkham, GBR, RET
201 lbs/91 kg: Wadi Camacho, GBR, dec. Anthony Mack, Plano, TX/USA, 18-9
201+ lbs/91+ kg: Amin Isa, GBR, dec. Javier Torres, Commerce, CA/USA, 13-4

Great Britain: 5
USA: 3

[Dennis]

Keep in mind this was not GB's best team. Louie did not box their #1. Camacho is not on their Podium team and I don't think he is even on their developmental squad any more. Their 152 & 165 pound boxers were weaker than the rest of the team and they couldn't even find a 178 who was good enough to bring over.

[Dennis]

I would have loved to see Louie Byrd box their #1 Khalid Yafai. That would have been much better experience for Byrd. Chapman isn't bad, but Yafai is at another level.

[Dennis]

Here is the Great Britain men's squad as of right now. They will cut this team down to the 10 man squad for the 2012 Olympics - probably in late 2011 or early 2012.

Podium squad:
Khalid Yafai, Flyweight (51 Kg), Birmingham, England
Daniel Chapman Flyweight (51 Kg), Blaengwyfi, Wales
Andrew Selby, Bantamweight (54Kg) Barry, Wales
Gamal Yafai* Bantamweight (54Kg), Birmingham, England
Leigh Woods, Bantamweight (54Kg), Nottingham, England
Luke Campbell, Featherweight (57Kg), Hull, England
Martin Ward, Featherweight (57 Kg), Romford, England
Iain Weaver, Featherweight (57Kg), Ferndown, England
Daniel Philips, Lightweight (60Kg), Middlesbrough, England
Thomas Stalker, Lightweight (60Kg), Liverpool, England
Bradley Saunders, Light-welterweight (64Kg), Stockton-on Tees, England
Scott Cardle, Light-welterweight (64Kg), Lytham, England
Lewis Rees, Light-welterweight (64Kg), Rhondda, Wales
Callum Smith*, Welterweight (69Kg), Liverpool, England
Frank Buglioni*, Middleweight (75Kg), London, England
Antony Ogogo*, Middleweight (75Kg), Lowestoft, England
Obed Mbwakango, Light-heavyweight (81 Kg), London, England
Warren Baister, Heavyweight (91Kg), Sunderland, England
Stephen Simmons, Heavyweight (91Kg), Edinburgh, Scotland
Simon Vallily, Heavyweight (91Kg), Middlesbrough, England
Fraser Clarke, Super-heavyweight (91Kg+) Burton, England
* 3 month trial

The Development Squad:
Charlie Edwards, Light-flyweight (48Kg), Croydon, England
Thomas Stubbs, Flyweight (51 Kg), Oldham, England
James Dickens, Flyweight (51 Kg), Liverpool, England
Zack Davies, Flyweight (51 Kg), Llanelli, Wales
John Quigley, Featherweight (57Kg), Liverpool, England
Antonio Coulihan, Lightweight (60Kg), Birmingham, England
Fred Evans, (Light) Welterweight (64-69Kg) Cardiff, Wales
Ryan Aston, Welterweight/Middleweight (69-75Kg), Dudley, England
Declan Fusco, Light-heavyweight (81 Kg), Durham, England
Karl Kirkham, Light-heavyweight (81 Kg), Blackpool, England
Amin Isa, Super-heavyweight (91Kg+)London, England.

[Dennis]

GB has a few weight classes that are loaded such as the 64kg division. However, their 69kg, 75kg and 81kg classes are weak. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of their 64kg boxers move up to 69kg for the 2012 Olympics. Scott Cardle gave World Chp silver medalist Frankie Gomez all he could handle and it ended as a draw. Cardle is not their #1, that is Saunders. At 91kg, they are loaded too as Stephen Simmons who is ranked #38 in AIBA's World Rankings is battling to win a spot on their Olympic team.

[PHILLYSTEVE]

WOW, DENNIS. YOU LIVE OVER THERE OR SOMETHING? YOU SURE DO KNOW YOUR STUFF. YOU SHOULD BE A CONSULTANT FOR USA BOXING. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE US TEAMS START WINNING AGAIN. WILL WE BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?

[Dennis]

WOW, DENNIS. YOU LIVE OVER THERE OR SOMETHING? YOU SURE DO KNOW YOUR STUFF. YOU SHOULD BE A CONSULTANT FOR USA BOXING. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE US TEAMS START WINNING AGAIN. WILL WE BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?

Thanks, I try to learn from other countries and what they do that is successful. GB is spending a lot of money (we don't have a comparable amount to spend), built their new EIS facility in Sheffield, has their podium and developmental squads, they do a lot of joint training with other countries, they have youth assessment training camps for JO boxers, etc. They have state of the art video analysis software to help develop their boxers. These are all things that we should be doing in the U.S.

I have been asking for more training camps, developmental camps, assessment camps, etc. Our boxers need to get more time together with the coaches and each other prior to major international competitions. They should have had a camp prior to leaving for Russia, but they didn't. They should have been doing joint training with the Russians while in Russia, but they didn't. Those are huge missed opportunities. I can do certain things with Jordan here in Michigan, but I can't get him training with top Russian boxers.

[Dennis]

By the way PhillySteve, I got my boxing roots from your neck of the woods. I started boxing at 14 near Pottstown so I tried to learn a lot from the knowledgeable coaches in PA. Being in a lot of gym wars teaches you toughness. I also learned how to throw a good jab and have some decent defense. I have tried to take that to a new level with my boxers.

As far as the USA goes, we need to make some significant changes, but unfortunately a lot of it will cost money which we don't seem to have. Another thing is a lot of old-school coaches have to be willing to adapt. We also have to get back to stressing the fundamentals. Too many of our boxers want to skip on to more advanced techniques and never perfect the basics. Without the proper stance, footwork, jab, balance and hand positioning, our boxers will always be at a disadvantage. We have gifted athletes and trust me they are capable of winning medals. We just need to give them every opportunity to succeed. Having them turn pro at 17, 18 and 19 won't do much for our amateur program either. We need our top amateurs to stick around until they are 21 and older. Some boxers can win gold medals at the Olympics at an earlier age, but most need those extra few years of experience and maturity to do it. Rigondeaux was just shy of his 20th and 24th birthdays when he won his two gold medals. Lennox Lewis didn't win the first time he tried, but did 4 years later. It is quite common for boxers to need the extra years. We rarely do that in the U.S. Most boxers give it 1 shot at the Olympic Trials and then turn pro.

[PHILLYSTEVE]

By the way PhillySteve, I got my boxing roots from your neck of the woods. I started boxing at 14 near Pottstown so I tried to learn a lot from the knowledgeable coaches in PA. Being in a lot of gym wars teaches you toughness. I also learned how to throw a good jab and have some decent defense. I have tried to take that to a new level with my boxers.

As far as the USA goes, we need to make some significant changes, but unfortunately a lot of it will cost money which we don't seem to have. Another thing is a lot of old-school coaches have to be willing to adapt. We also have to get back to stressing the fundamentals. Too many of our boxers want to skip on to more advanced techniques and never perfect the basics. Without the proper stance, footwork, jab, balance and hand positioning, our boxers will always be at a disadvantage. We have gifted athletes and trust me they are capable of winning medals. We just need to give them every opportunity to succeed. Having them turn pro at 17, 18 and 19 won't do much for our amateur program either. We need our top amateurs to stick around until they are 21 and older. Some boxers can win gold medals at the Olympics at an earlier age, but most need those extra few years of experience and maturity to do it. Rigondeaux was just shy of his 20th and 24th birthdays when he won his two gold medals. Lennox Lewis didn't win the first time he tried, but did 4 years later. It is quite common for boxers to need the extra years. We rarely do that in the U.S. Most boxers give it 1 shot at the Olympic Trials and then turn pro.

I HAVE TO ADMIT. IT'S VERY HARD TO WAIT 4 YEARS, TO HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT THE OLYMPICS. ALOT OF BOXERs (at least the ones I know) need to make money. It's not like they come from a country that takes care of their athletes. Many are from urban neighborhoods. Gold medals equals endorsements for the country. Example: The basketball elite athletes leave college early, the europeans athletes stayed. It used to be the college ball players representing usa in the olympics. We were being beat so much, usa had to resort to our professionals.
What's going to happen if usa boxing can't produce in the olympics anymore?????? DO WE RESORT TO OUR PROS????? GOLD MEDAL = ENDORSEMENTS= MONEY FOR THE COUNTRY AND THE ATHLETE. I GUESS BOXING IN AMERICA IS NOT A BELOVED SPORT ANYMORE. (I CAN'T EVEN WATCH IT DURING THE OLYMPICS). WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET OUR SPORT BACK ON TOP?????????

[Dennis]

PhillySteve - good Q's. Growing up I could watch boxing on regular TV. ABC had it on in the afternoon on weekends. Casual fans could watch boxing on TV for free. That is no longer the case. Things do need to change to get more people into the sport and more fans following it.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I think that the potential $$$ backers of amateur boxing in the US simply don't want to invest in it because these youngsters are turning pro left and right. If the trend were more Raushee Warren and not Hylon Williams, whether right or wrong, more backers would help out. Compare to other countries' amateur boxing spending (on training, stipends, housing and most importantly pay for medalling), the US spending is laughable. $1000/month for US Natl. champions?? $12K a year? Other countries are paying six figures to top amateurs. No one is going to put money into the amateurs until amateurs start committing to being amateur-- and no amateurs are going to stay around for multiple Olympics until the money gets put into the programs. Hmmmm, what a predicament.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

PhillySteve - good Q's. Growing up I could watch boxing on regular TV. ABC had it on in the afternoon on weekends. Casual fans could watch boxing on TV for free. That is no longer the case. Things do need to change to get more people into the sport and more fans following it.

TV will never happen because no advertisers are going to spend the money for spots. But. . . .internet streaming and live events are very very very inexpensive. Kudos to USAB for the National Finals last year. Wasn't widely publicized but a great step in the right direction. Around DC where we have tons of shows, the entire crowd is made up of boxers and their families. The general public is generally unaware of the amateur scene.

[Dennis]

DC - why is the general public unaware of the local boxing scene in the DC area? If publicized properly shows have done well. It isn't easy, but it does happen.

[PHILLYSTEVE]

PhillySteve - good Q's. Growing up I could watch boxing on regular TV. ABC had it on in the afternoon on weekends. Casual fans could watch boxing on TV for free. That is no longer the case. Things do need to change to get more people into the sport and more fans following it.

TV will never happen because no advertisers are going to spend the money for spots. But. . . .internet streaming and live events are very very very inexpensive. Kudos to USAB for the National Finals last year. Wasn't widely publicized but a great step in the right direction. Around DC where we have tons of shows, the entire crowd is made up of boxers and their families. The general public is generally unaware of the amateur scene.

Well, I think we can hype the ametuer scence a little bit. My opinion, 1. Boxing is entertainment, people love to see pain. I'm watching this new series on Starz (I think) called SPARTACUS. The movie is based on roman gladiators. Even back then crowds use to come out to see two gladiator perform their art. Great rivalries in all sport are important, people pay to see for many years. (ex. yankees vs red soxs, lakers vs celtics, ali vs frazier, even obama vs mccain). People pay to see stars or stars in the making. A kid in high school, if he above the rest in the sport he plays, the media will put him in position before college to generate a hype where the school benefit with sell out crowds. We have to be the media until the real media steps in. There is plenty of avenues we can advertise our ametuers. Jesse Hart is like my little brother, he can handle himself under the spotlight. My objective is that his hometown (philly) supports him and become fans before he turn pro. We have many pro fighters here. (EX. Yuseff Mack, Derik "pooh" Ennis, Hank Lundy) AND in their own backyards nobody even knows them. Boxing is entertainment for people. Boxers need to invest in their popularity as well as their ability. Thats my opinion (STARS CAN BE MADE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE TOOLS)!!!!!! Look out for heavyweight Bryant Jennings he turns pro next week! D P.S. IF GREAT RIVALRIES ARE CREATED IN THE AMETUERS, THEY CAN BE CARRIED OVER TO THE PROS. SO THE FIGHTERS CAN GET PAID!

[Dennis]

Bryant Jennings was in the back area by us for the NGG. I talked to him a few times and he was well spoken and a decent guy. He handled himself very well. He seems like a guy who could do well in the pros.